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saqarTvelos prezidentis administraciis gancxadebiT: `prezidentis iniciativiT wamowyebuli erovnuli Tanxmobis procesi rTuli da kompleqsuri, Ria da gamWvirvalea da aranairad ar atarebs saidumlo xasiaTs. erovnuli Tanxmobis procesis dasawyisSi prezidenti usmens yvelas, marTavs Sexvedrebs da dainteresebulia sxvadasxva sazogadoebrivi jgufebis mosazrebebiT, iniciativebiTa Tu poziciebiT, es yovelive aris erTi mTliani erovnuli Tanxmobis procesis nawili.~
am sakiTxze gTavazobT intervius aWaris umaRlesi sabWos umravlesobis wevrTan, sakonstitucio, iuridiul da saproceduro sakiTxTa komitetis TavmjdomaresTan lado mgalobliSvilTan.
– batono lado, rogor SeafasebT prezidentis mier wamoyenebul Serigebis ideas, romlis ganxorcielebis procesic axla mimdinareobs?
– Zalian kargi ideaa. qalbatoni salome cdilobs konfrontaciis, destruqciisa da polarizaciis Semcirebas. Cveni prezidenti Zalian keTilSobili adamiania, igi Zalisxmevas ar iSurebs qveyanaSi arsebuli problemebis mosagvareblad. aRsaniSnavia is faqtic, rom am procesSi CarTuli arian ara mxolod politikuri partiebi, aramed sazogadoeba da maT Soris, msxverplTa sakiTxebze momuSave arasamTavrobo organizaciebis warmomadgenlebi. prezidentma Sexvedrebi ukve gamarTa patriarqTan, qveynis meoTxe prezidentTan giorgi margvelaSvilTan da politikuri partiebis warmomadgenlebTan. procesi grZeldeba da prezidenti Sexvedrebs aqtiur reJimSi ganagrZobs.
– Tavad prezidentis gancxadebiT, qveyanaSi politikuri, ekonomikuri da socialuri krizisia, rasac mmarTveli gundi ar aRiarebs.
– araviTari politikuri krizisi ar arsebobs. xelisuflebis yvela struqtura, Sto, gamarTulad muSaobs. parlamenti mravalpartiulia, opozicia Sesulia. `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ rom ar cxaddeba, es namdvilad ar aris politikuri krizisi, es maTi partiuli Sinaganawesia, yovel SemTxvevaSi, me ase vityodi.
– rogor fiqrobT, ras elis am Serigebidan `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~, romelic arc ki gamocxadda pirvel Sexvedraze, Tumca meoreze mivida.
yvelam viciT, ra surT da ras elian. maTi erTaderTi mizania mixeil saakaSvilis cixidan daxsna da sul ar adardebT, rom am kacma Tavis droze uamravi danaSauli Caidina. mimaCnia, rom miSas sasjelidan daxsnas SerigebasTan aranairi kavSiri ar aqvs, radgan isini mainc ar Sewyveten boikotirebas da igive reJimSi gaagrZeleben destruqciul qmedebebs.
– Tqveni gadasaxedidan, ras niSnavs Serigeba?
– Serigebis ganmarteba bevrma gaakeTa, maT Soris, sasuliero pirebmac. Serigeba ver moxdeba gulwrfeli monaniebis gareSe. jer unda aRiaron sakuTari danaSaulebrivi qmedebebi, patieba sTxovon qveyanas da mxolod amis Semdeg ganvsajoT Serigebis pirobebi. cxadia, usmendiT saakaSvilis sityvas sasamarTlo darbazidan. aranair monaniebas ar hqonda adgili. piriqiT, aqeT gvayvedrida mis mier gakeTebul yvela saqmes. piradad me mimaCnia, rom aseT adamianTan zedmetia saubari, is mainc igive darCeba, ar Rirs masTan arc Serigeba da arc politikis warmoeba. mas jer Cvenma xalxma unda miutevos is araadamianuri qmedebebi, romelsac axorcielebda sakuTar jalaTebTan erTad. man, iseve rogorc stalinma, CarTo represirebis meqanizmi, romelsac ar hqonda mtyuan-marTalis garCeva da gaivso maSin sasjelaRsrulebis dawesebulebebi im xalxiT, romelTa braleuloba arc ki iyo saTanadod damtkicebuli. msgavsi ram iwvevs mosaxleobaSi SiSs, daucvelobis gancdas, da rodesac xalxi CurCuls iwyebs sajaro samsaxurebSi, gasagebia, rom instinqturad eSinia im gamoucnobi sasjelis, romelic reJimis nebismier mowinaaRmdeges daatydeba Tavs. yvelas gvaxsovs rac iyo. ar vici, rogor miuteveben molaSvilis, girgvlianis, gelaSvilis ojaxebi im tkivils, rac gadaitanes saakaSvilis reJimis gamo . . . erTsac vityvi, cixeSi gamomwyvdeuli adamiani rom daavalebs sakuTar partias marSirebas sakuTari dabadebis dRis aRsaniSnavad, ukve Cans, rom aSkaradaa dasneulebuli beladomaniiT, iseve, rogorc misive dabadebis dRes dabadebuli stalini. esec simboluria, albaT.
– opoziciis mtkicebiT, TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebis meore turi mmarTvelma gundma gaayalba, risi meSveobiTac moigo Zalian mcire gansxvavebiT.
– erT patara ambavs gavixseneb, maxinjauris olqSi erTi mandati wavageT 4 xmiT. Tu aseTi gamyalbeblebi viyaviT, rogorme im oTx xmasac gavayalbebdiT da movigebdiT olqs, ris Sedegadac umravlesoba gveqneboda sakrebuloSi. esec ki adasturebs, rom maTi braldebebi TiTidan gamowovilia. awyobili aqvT saqme, sakuTar warumateblobas yovelTvis `gayalbebas~ abraleben, anu sakiTxs arc ki swavloben, ar aanalizeben ra moxda, ratom ver aiRes xmebis saTanado raodenoba. amitomac var darwmunebuli, rom amieridan verasodes gaimarjveben saqarTveloSi Catarebul verc erT arCevnebSi.
– sakrebuloebSi gamarTul Setakebebs rogor SeafasebdiT?
– `erTian nacionalur moZraobas~ araviTari politikuri kapitali ar SerCa, rasac politikuri xulignobiT anacvleben. mdare xarisxis provokaciebiT cdiloben sakuTari amomrCevlis TvalSi qulebis daweras, rac gasuli saukunis 90-iani wlebis disidentTa meTodebs mogvagonebs.
– Tu SeiZleba, oriod sityviT gviTxariT, ra xdeba baTumis sakrebuloSi?
– baTumis sakrebuloSi umravlesoba ver formirdeba. erT-erTi deputatis gardacvalebis gamo, maisSi Catardeba arCevnebi adliaSi da mxolod amis Semdeg SeZlebs sakrebulo muSaobas, rac ar awyobs `erTian nacionalur moZraobas~. am partiis wevrebi da maTi satelitebi yovelmxriv uSlian xels qalaqis samuSao ritmis aRdgenas, cdiloben mxolod negativi warmoaCinon areulobis da destruqciis gziT.
– `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ acxadebda, rom baTumis merma arCil Ciqovanma ukve daiwyo winasaarCevno maraToni adliaSi.
– me rasac vxedav isaa, rom arCil Ciqovani mudmivad xvdeba mosaxleobas sxvadasxva ubanSi, raTa daadginos, sad ra daxmarebaa saWiro da gaarkvios, romeli problemis mogvarebaa prioritetuli. es swori gzaa, TviTmmarTveloba sazogadoebis dakveTiT unda muSaobdes qalaqis da qalaqelebis sakeTildReod. Tuki `nacionaluri moZraobis~ warmomadgenlebs baTumis meris aqtiuroba marTebulad ar miaCniaT, ki batono, rogoric surT, iseTi komentari gaakeTon an Tavadac Sexvdnen mosaxleobas, vin uSliT, aq mainc ar aris aranairi SezRudva dawesebuli . . . principSi, ar scalia am xalxs SexvedrebisTvis, Tbilisi-baTumis matarebelze arian gamokidebuli da ramdenic miSas wneva auwevs, ise garbian, TiTqos saswrafo daxmarebis brigada iyos . . . esec maTi arCevania, Cemi gansasjeli ar aris.
– isev rom movides saakaSvili xelisuflebaSi, ra iqneba?
rodesac movismine misi sityva sasamarTloSi, iseTi STabeWdileba damrCa, es kaci ar Secvlila da isev rom movides xelisuflebaSi, imaze uaress gaakeTebs, vidre manamde akeTebda. ufro daboRmili da gaborotebulia, vidre iyo, Tanac CaTvlis, rom saqarTvelos moswons misi meTodebi da imitom airCia xelmeored.
– baTumi-Tbilisis gzaze gamokidebuli `nacionalebi~ axseneT. sanam saakaSvili saqarTveloSia, es areuloba da daZabuloba ar moixsneba. xom ar ajobebs qveynisTvis misi eqstradireba?
– piradad me, cixidan mis gamosaSvebad veraviTar seriozul mizezs ver vxedav. Cveni kanonmdeblobiT, sasjeli aqvs mosaxdeli, romelic unda moixados kidec aq, sadac es danaSaulebi Caidina.
– rogor daamTavra avtonomiurma respublikam 2021 weli, ra siaxleebi gvelis axal wels?
– namdvilad kargi weli gvelis. pandemiis mier Seqmnili krizisis miuxedavad, uprecedentod gazrdilia aWaris biujeti, romelmac gadaaWarba 450 milion lars. mimaCnia, rom aRmasrulebelma xelisuflebam, mTavrobis Tavmjdomarem da ministrebma namdvilad kargad gaarTves Tavi im urTules politikur, socialur da ekonomikur gamowvevebs, romelic Cveni avtonomiuri respublikis winaSe idga wlis ganmavlobaSi. minda dagaimedoT, Zalian kargi, dovlaTiani weli gvelis. biujeti aris mzardi. sajaro seqtorSi dasaqmebulebs xelfasebi gaezardaT 10%-iT. moimatebs asakobrivi pensiac da sxva daxmarebebic. Cveni mTavari amocana Cveni moqalaqeebis keTildReobaa, swored amaze varT orientirebulebi.
– ras ityviT premieris gadawyvetilebaze onlainkazinoebis akrZalvasTan dakavSirebiT?
– mivesalmebi irakli RaribaSvilis am gadawyvetilebas, radgan onlainkazinoebis funqcionirebac da misi reklamirebac axdens damTrgunvel, damRupvel gavlenas Cvens axalgazrdobaze, miT umetes arasrulwlovanebze. sxvagvarad am segmentis amoZirkva ver moxdeba. kargad viciT yvelam, ra tragediebi trialebda azartis moyvarulTa ojaxebSi, ramdenma sicocxle TviTmkvlelobiT daasrula, ramdenma gayida yvelaferi da sakuTari col-Svili quCaSi datova. onlainkazino imiTac aris safrTxis Semcveli, rom ver kontroldeba moTamaSeTa asaki. aseve, TamaSis dasawyebad ar aris saWiro didi Tanxa, rac sabolood aRaribebda Cvens isedac Rarib da mowyvlad mosaxleobas.
– realuri kazinoebi rCeba . . .
– maTi gauqmeba Zalian did dartymas miayenebda qveynis da Cveni qalaqis biujets. isicaa, rom gaWirvebuli adamiani aseT dawesebulebebSi ver Sedis. kazinoebi ucxoel turistebze, mdidar adamianebze muSaobs, romlebic Carteruli reisebiTac ki mofrinaven saqarTveloSi TamaSis Jinis dasakmayofileblad. arc is dagaviwydeT, rom azartze damokidebulebisTvis aq moqmedebs `Savi sia~, sadac SehyavT ojaxis wevris moTxovniTac ki. cxadia, ar iqneba urigo, ise momZlavrdes Cveni qveynis ekonomika, rom sruliad gavauqmoT es dawesebulebebi, magram jerjerobiT, Cven amis fufuneba ar gagvaCnia. unda vimoqmedoT mSvidad, gawonasworebulad, raTa Cveni mosaxleobis ojaxuri biujetic davzogoT da qveynisac ar davazianoT. swored es gza arCia premierma da darwmunebuli var, gaamarTlebs.
– ras ityviT premieris angariSze da mis samomavlo gegmebze, romelic am dReebSi gaaJRera?
– Zalian momewona misi gamosvla, sadac isaubra saqarTvelos sagareo politikasa da okupaciis problemaze. premierma aRniSna, rom Cvenma xelisuflebam ruseTTan gauazrebeli da avantiuristuli politikis warmoebaze uari Tqva da Cvens Soris arsebuli mTavari problemis – okupaciis, teritoriuli mTlianobis sakiTxisa da deokupaciis mogvarebis erTaderT gzad mSvidobiani da pragmatuli politika gamoacxada, romelic saerTaSoriso dialogis formatebis gavliT xorcieldeba. isic simarTlea, rom mxolod `qarTuli ocnebis~ pirobebSi SeZlo saqarTvelom daaxloeboda evropul da evroatlantikur struqturebs. Cveni partiis mosvlis Semdgom amoqmedda evropasTan uvizo reJimi da Tavisufali vaWroba, rasac win uZRoda irakli RaribaSvilis pirveli premierobis dros vizaliberalizaciis samoqmedo gegmis mixedviT nakisri yvela valdebulebis warmatebiT Sesruleba. premieris gancxadebiT, wels xeli moewera xelSekrulebebs eleqtrosadgurebis mSeneblobaze, romelTa Sorisaa 27 hidroeleqtrosadguris proeqti dadgmuli jamuri simZlavriT 152 mgvt, risTvisac movizidavT, daaxloebiT 230 mln aSS dolaris investicias. man gaaJRera, rom specialistebi muSaoben mzis eleqtrosadgurebis da qaris ganviTarebis proeqtebzec. aRniSnuli proeqtebis jamuri dadgmuli simZlavrea daaxloebiT 30 mgvt da gamomuSavebuli iqneba 108 mln.kvt.sT. rogorc ki dasruldeba kvleva, gadavalT pilotirebaze uaxlesi teqnologiis – mwvane wyalbadis gamoyenebis mimarTulebiTac. aqtiuri RonisZiebebi daiwyeba momxmareblebSi energoefeqturi midgomebis dasanergadac. Cemi yuradReba miipyro 2022 wlis gazificirebis saxelmwifo programamac, romlis farglebSic ukve ganxorcieldeba 17 000 axali abonentis gazificireba 107 dasaxlebul punqtSi. saqarTvelos premier-ministrma infrastruqturul proeqtebze saubrisas ganacxada, rom 150 dasaxlebaSi mimdinare proeqtebiT 360 aTas adamians gauumjobesdeba wyalmomarageba. 4 weliwadSi yvela qalaqSi iqneba 24-saaTiani wyalmomarageba da sxv. man aseve aRniSna, rom rekordulia infrastruqturuli proeqtebis ganviTarebisTvis gansazRvruli 2022 wlis biujeti, romelmac 3.3 miliardi lari Seadgina . . . rogorc xedavT, kargi perspeqtivebi gvaqvs. swored amas vgulisxmobdi, rodesac 2022 weli, Cveni qveynisTvis keTilsaimedod movixsenie. Tu SeiZleba isev premieris sityvebs moviSvelieb da vityvi: `moqmedi xelisufleba xalxis nawilia da zustad icis, ra gamowvevebi aqvs – okupacia da teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgena – qveynis gaerTianeba, umuSevroba da siRaribe, destruqciuli Zalebis mier Seqmnili polarizacia da uamravi sxva problema, romelic Cvens mosaxleobas awuxebs, amitom am gamowvevebs erTiani ZalisxmeviT unda mivxedoT, rac SesaZlebelia mxolod swori xedviT, gonivruli, pragmatuli da erovnul interesebze morgebuli politikiT.”
bednier, dovlaTian, jansaR axal wels gisurveb, saqarTvelo!
