გენო თებიძე: სამწუხაროდ, ჩვენ უფრო მეტად ვუახლოვდებით რუსეთს და ვშორდებით ევროპას
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qveyanaSi politikuri procesebi gulgrils aravis tovebs, opozicia xelisuflebas akritikebs sxvadasxva sakiTxTan mimarTebiT da mosaxleobis sakeTildReod moRvaweobisken mouwodebs, Tavis mxriv, mmarTveli gundi qveynis winsvlasa da aRorZinebaze saubrobs da amavdroulad opozicias (ZiriTadad, `nacmoZraobas~) destruqciul Zalad moixseniebs. ase grZeldeba wlidan wlamde, amasobaSi opozicia saparlamento tribunas daubrunda, sakrebuloebSic politikuri cxovreba sul ufro saintereso xdeba. am da sxva sakiTxebze gvesaubreba ,,lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ baTumis organizaciis Tavmjdomare geno TebiZe.
– saubari saqarTveloSi dRes arsebuli viTarebiT daviwyoT, rogor daaxasiaTebdiT qveynis politikur-ekonomikur mdgomareobas?
– samwuxarod, aseTi mZime politikur-ekonomikuri foni ori aTeuli welia ar maxsovs. SeuiaraRebeli TvaliTac Cans, Tu ra Rrma krizisSi Sehyavs qveyana `qarTul ocnebas~, Tumca, amis miuxedavad, is jiutad cdilobs, daumsaxureblad miRebuli savarZlebi yvelafris fasad SeinarCunos. Tvals vadevnebT gayalbebul arCevnebs, gadabirebul sakrebulos opozicioner wevrebs, Seumdgar sakrebuloebs, samasjer gazrdil sagareo vals, umuSevrobis, korufciisa da kriminalis zeims, opozicioneri liderebis devnas da Seviwroebas politikuri niSniT, orad gayofil sazogadoebas, aseulaTasobiT samuSaos maZieblis gasvlas qveynidan ucxoeTSi, kovidpandemiis arnaxul Semotevas da Caflavebul mzaobas saqarTvelos mTavrobis, partniorebze Tavdasxmas `qarTuli ocnebis~ liderebis mxridan da Cveni arCevanis – natosa da evrokavSirSi integraciis xelovnur SeCerebas. vfiqrob, es kidev mcire CamonaTvalia, radgan ar mixsenebia mediis devna da mravali sxva problema, rac dagvigrova `qarTulma ocnebam~. yvelafris gamosworeba, Zalze mniSvnelovania, droze daiwyos da nel-nela movaxerxoT am qveyanaSi stabiluri politikur-ekonomikuri procesis damkvidreba. . . .
– Tqven uaryofiTad afasebT qveyanaSi mimdinare movlenebs, Tumca mmarTveli partiis wevrebi acxadeben, rom opoziciis SeniSvnebi am mimarTebiT tendenciuria. ras ityviT?
– ra Tqma unda, `gvirabi bombeimde~ opoziciam gaiyvana da dRemde vumalavT `ocnebas~. marTlac, ukve sarkazmSi gadadis am adamianebis msjeloba imaze, rom am yvelafris ukan opozicia dgas da ar vaZlevT saSualebas, marTon qveyana. metsac vityvi, is, rac dRes SenarCunebulia, opoziciis damsaxurebaa, radgan yvelam icis, rac metad davxuWavT Tvals, miT metad Seecdebian avnon qveyanas. opoziciis mudmivi monitoringis miuxedavad, `qarTuli ocneba~ axerxebs, maqsimaluri ziani miayenos am qveynis damoukideblobas da es gamoixata, upirveles yovlisa, Sarl miSelis dokumentis ugulebelyofiT, arCevnebis gayalbebiT, mediasa da Cveni partniori qveynebis elCebze TavdasxmiT da a. S. xelisufleba rom uxerxulobas ar grZnobs ruseTTan urTierTobaSi, iqidan Cans, rom 2021 wlis ianvridan noembris CaTvliT ruseTidan ukve Sesyidulia 1,108 miliardi kilovatsaaTi energia, anu importirebuli eleqtroenergiis 61,6% ruseTidanaa. mokled, samwuxarod, Cven ufro metad vuaxlovdebiT ruseTs da vSordebiT evropas `qarTuli ocnebis~ damsaxurebiT.
– sxvaTa Soris, mmarTveli gundis warmomadgenlebi imasac acxadeben, rom opoziciam mosaxleobis mxardaWera dakarga, Tanac destruqciulad iqceva. . . es braldebebi marto `nacmoZraobas~ exeba Tu mTlianad opoziciur speqtrs?
– ra Tqma unda, Secdomebis ZiriTadi xazis gadmotana da opoziciaze gadabraleba yvelaze iaffasiani xerxia da gamosdis kidec `qarTul ocnebas~. ras hqvia radikaluri moTxovnebi? imas, rom baTumSi mogebuli sakrebulos arCevnebis Sedegebi gadaaxies baTumelebs da mosyidvis, SantaJisa da adamianis sicocxlis xarjze apireben mainc Tavad marTon, jiutad iZaxon – baTumis sakrebuloSi mainc Cven viqnebiT umravlesobao; roca 60%-ma baTumelebisa opozicias dauWira mxari da dRemde ar agvarCevina sakrebulos opozicioneri Tavmjdomare; is, rom baTumis meris savarZeli mopares baTumelebs da wina mowvevis sakrebulos miaRebines 2022 wlis biujeti. . . sia grZelia, rasac vaprotestebT, rasac vewinaaRmdegebiT – moparul arCevnebs da Cveni Tanxebis aramiznobrivad xarjvas eZaxian destruqcias? Tavad arian destruqciulebi da es naTlad Cans imaSi, rom maqsimalurad cdiloben ar iTanamSromlon arcerT opoziciur ZalasTan, raTa erTad SevZloT am krizisis daZleva. ukve orjer CaniSnul sakrebulos sxdomaze ar movidnen da, faqtobrivad, kvorumis ararsebobis gamo ver moxerxda sakrebulos Tavmjdomaris, moadgileebisa da komisiis Tavmjdomareebis arCeva. isini elodebian gardacvlili nugzar futkaraZis samaJoritaro olqSi CaniSnul riggareSe arCevnebs, fiqroben, moigeben da maTi iqneba burTic da moedanic. manamde ki erTaderTi, rac baTumelebis mier arCeul sakrebuloSi xdeba, aris is, rom `qarTuli ocnebis~ 6 wevri Rebulobs xelfass, fraqciis Tavmjdomare da xuTi (!!!) moadgile. ai, ra aris, maTi azriT, baTumis sakrebulos mizani da samuSaos nawili.
– cxadia, gverds ver avuvliT xazaraZe-jafariZis sasamarTlo process. ra cxadyo am procesma? da aqve Tanmdevi kiTxva: Tqvens liderebs drodadro `leiboristTa~ lideric akritikebs (Tundac maTi bankSi muSaobis TvalsazrisiT). . .
– samwliani brZolis pirveli da mTavari etapi mogebulia. sami welia vamtkicebT, rom araviTari fulis gaTeTreba mamuka xazaraZis da badri jafariZis saqmeSi araa da sasamarTlom es daadastura. sasamarTlom gaamarTla mamuka xazaraZe da badri jafariZe fulis gaTeTrebaSi, magram sityva `gamarTleba~ rom ar gamoeyenebina, mis nacvlad gamoiyena sityva `gadakvalificireba~ da ganaCeni daadgina muxliT – TaRliToba, amasTan, verc sasjeli daakisra da arc nasamarTlevi iqnebian. rac Seexeba ,,TaRliTobas~, araviTari TaRliToba mamuka xazaraZis da badri jafariZis qmedebaSi ar aris da aravin apirebs xandazmulobas da amnistias amoefaros! amasTan: 1. TviT prokuraturas gamotanili aqvs dadgenileba sisxlis samarTlebrivi devnis dawyebaze uaris Tqmis Sesaxeb. anu prokuraturam razec ar daiwyo devna xandazmulobis gamo, imaze sasamarTlom daadgina ganaCeni (araiuristebisTvisac warmoudgeneli nonsensi); 2. aRniSnuli ganaCenis miuxedavad, mamuka xazaraZe da badri jafariZe nasamarTlevad ar iTvlebian (sisxlis samarTlis kodeqsis 79-e muxlis me-2 nawili); 3. sasamarTlos saerTod daaviwyda, rom es TaRliTobis muxli xandazmulobasTan erTad amnistirebulia da am amnistias sWirdeba dazaralebulis Tanxmoba, ubralod, saqmeze dazaralebulad aravinaa cnobili. amasTan, piri, romelic dazaralebulad SeiZleba moiazro – ,,Ti bi si banki~, ar miiCnevs Tavs dazaralebulad. rom SevajamoT: sasamarTlom Tqva, rom sami welia prokuratura da saxelmwifo mamuka xazaraZisa da badri jafariZis mimarT fulis gaTeTrebis braldebiT devnas axorcielebs usafuZvlod, xolo meore muxli – TaRliToba aris xandazmuli, amnistirebuli, dazaralebulis armqone, romliTac sasjelis daniSvna ar SeiZleba da piri nasamarTlevic ver iqneba. rac Seexeba TaRliTobis faqts, Tqven iciT, `lelos~ fraqciam saqarTvelos parlamentSi moawyo Sexvedra avtoritetul iuristebTan, sadac yvela aRniSnavda am braldebis absurdulobas, xolo advokat qeTevan qvarcxavas gancxadebiT, iuridiul wreebSi man ver naxa oponenti iuristi, romelic ityvis, rom xazaraZe-jafariZis saqmeze gamotanili ganaCeni sworia! es aris wminda wylis politikuri brZola `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxridan oponentebis winaaRmdeg. isini cdiloben maTi yvela oponentis mimarT siZulvilis gaRvivebas, reputaciis Selaxvas da politikurad ganadgurebas, rac maT erTaderT iaraRad iqca.
– ara marto mmarTveli partiis warmomadgenlebi, aramed eqspertebi acxadeben, rom opoziciis qmedebebi araTanmimdevrulia – jer boikotis momxre iyvnen, mere parlamentSi Sevidnen. Mamanac xom ar ganapiroba mosaxleobis imedgacrueba opoziciisadmi?
– qveyanaSi, sadac sasicocxlod mniSvnelovania saarCevno kanonSi cvlilebebis Setana da srulad proporciul sistemaze gadasvla, rom marTla miviRoT koaliciuri mTavroba, rac aris Cveni ganviTarebis realuri garanti, am sakiTxis Cagdeba isev `qarTuli ocnebis~ wisqvilze asxams wyals. vfiqrob, opozicia moiqca sworad da Cans, Tu ramdenad meti mzaobaa opoziciis mxridan konstruqciuli TanamSromlobisTvis da vin aris destruqciuli, vin ar asrulebs arcerT im SeTanxmebas, rac Sarl miSelis dokumentSi weria. `ocneba~ cdilobs xelisuflebaSi yofnas yvela xerxiT da esaa maTi mTavari amocana. is ar iqceva ise, rogorc misi mosaxleobis umravlesobas surs. gayalbebis da mosyidvis fonze mainc waago baTumis sakrebulo! Oopoziciam, jamSi, Seiyvana 19 wevri da `qarTulma ocnebam~ – 16. Tvrameti wevria sakmarisi, rom airCios Tavmjdomare, moadgileebi da komisiis Tavmjdomareebi, Tumca miviReT `qarTuli ocnebis~ usamarTlo da yvelanair formas moklebuli brZola sakuTari xalxis winaaRmdeg. faqtia, miuxedavad aseTi upiratesobisa, dRes opozicia ver irCevs sakrebulos Tavmjdomares da sxva Tanamdebobis pirebs, radgan `gaurkvevel~ situaciaSi partia `saqarTvelosTvis~ datova erTma wevrma da, samwuxarod, gonios maJoritari nugzar futkaraZe gardaicvala. am adamianma ver gauZlo im wnexs, rac mis mimarT ganaxorcieles da romelic mTelma saqarTvelom naxa. Aai, esaa `qarTuli ocneba~ da misi saxelmwifoebrivi azrovneba.
– xSirad opozicia xelisuflebas sxvadasxva sakiTxTan mimarTebiT akritikebs. partiam `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ ra proeqtebi da gegmebi SesTavaza xelisuflebas problemuri da mniSvnelovani sakiTxebis mogvarebis TvalsazrisiT da es gegmebi ramdenad realisturia?
– `lelos~ wevrebi partnior kolegebTan erTad aqtiurad muSaoben saqarTvelos parlamentSi. araerTi mniSvnelovani iniciativa da sakanonmdelo proeqti daregistrirda, Tumca saxelisuflebo partia opoziciis nebismier aqtiurobas ugulebelyofs. magaliTisTvis, warvadgineT iniciativa `elituri korufciis Semswavleli saqarTvelos parlamentis droebiTi sagamoZiebo komisiis Seqmnis Sesaxeb~. aseve, fraqciam sasamarTlo reformis sakuTari alternatiuli proeqti waradgina, 14 dekembers ki `lelom~ saqarTvelos natoSi gawevrianebaze parlamentSi rezoluciis proeqti daaregistrira.
sakiTxi, savaraudod, sagazafxulo sesiaze ganixileba. rac Seexeba bolo iniciativas, parlamentis biuros saxelmwifo inspeqtoris samsaxurTan dakavSirebiT, alternatiuli kanonproeqti waredgina, Tumca mmarTvelma gundma registraciaze uari Tqva. biuros sxdomaze isini saerTod ar mividnen. es marTla mcire CamonaTvalia, magram msgavsi qmedebebi cxadyofs, rom mmarTveli gundi ganagrZobs opoziciis marginalizacias da sazogadoebisTvis TvalSi nacris Seyras, motyuebas, rom ar vmuSaobT. darwmunebuli var, imave motiviT ar ikribeba baTumis sakrebuloc, rom `qarTuli ocnebis~ ususuroba kidev erTxel ar dadasturdes da realurad, gamarjvebul opozicias, sakuTari boikotiT, muSaobis saSualebas ar aZlevs.
– mesame prezidentis Camosvlam qveyanaSi gaaZliera Tu daasusta opozicia da am mxriv azrTa sxvaoba ramdenad TvalSisacemia opoziciur speqtrSi?
– am qveyanaSi sasamarTlo Tu ra dReSia, `lelos~ liderebma piradad daanaxes saqarTvelos mosaxleobas, Cvens ucxoel partnior da megobar qveynebs. aq kidev erTxel gamoCnda, Tu rogor iaraRad iyenebs sasamarTlos mmarTveli gundi. miuxedavad mravali gafrTxilebisa megobari saxelmwifoebis mxridan, `qarTuli ocneba~ ganagrZobs am institutis marTvas sakuTari miznebisTvis. esec ar ikmares, imis gamo, rom xelisuflebis kritikis Semcveli angariSi gamoaqveyna saxelmwifo inspeqtorma, saerTod auqmeben am samsaxurs. `ocneba~ cdilobs, opoziciis saxiT mosaxleobas didi safrTxe daanaxos da Tavad gaixangrZlivos xelisuflebaSi yofna. rogor gamouva, amas mosaxleoba gadawyvets, manamde ki `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ uwyvetad muSaobs yvela opoziciur partiasTan, visTvisac mniSvnelovania am qveynis keTildReoba da civiluri momavali.
– ra Tqma unda, aqtualuri sakiTxia sakrebuloebSi mimdinare procesebi, am mxriv ra xdeba baTumis sakrebuloSi? mmarTveli partiis wevrebi acxadeben, rom realurad opozicia mosaxleobis sakeTildReod ki ar iRvwis, aramed destruqciul nabijebs dgams, ras fiqrobT?
– rogorc zemoT aRvniSne, `ocnebas~ ar surs qmediTunariani sakrebulo, mas sWirdeba morCili wevrebi, romlebic usityvod auweven xels nebismier sakiTxze. maSin movides da nu elodeba gonios arCevnebs, dasxdnen da airCion sakrebulos opozicioneri kandidati, gadainawilon sxva Tanamdebobebi da akontrolon erTad qalaqis biujeti. magram izamen ki?
– saerTaSoriso urTierTobebSi mimdinare procesebi amJamad vis wisqvilze asxams wyals da ramdenad Tanmimdevrulia dasavleTi ruseTis mimarT?
– dRes msoflios yuradReba Cveni umTavresi partniori da megobari qveynisken aris mimarTuli. dRes ukraina aris naTeli suraTi imisa, Tu ra SeiZleba moxdes postsabWoTa qveynebSi. msoflio mxardaWeris miuxedavad, ruseTi mobilizebas ukeTebs Tavis danayofebs ukrainis sazRvrebTan da dapyrobil teritoriebze. aSS-is saxelmwifo mdivnis entoni blinkenisa da ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa ministris sergei lavrovis gancxadebebic cxadyofs, Tu ra daZabuloba aris regionSi. Tumca vfiqrob, ruseTi am xerxiT vaWrobs da cdilobs, gavlenebi gazardos msoflioze. am fonze, nacvlad imisa, rom saqarTvelodan ismodes Ria mxardamWeri gancxadebebi ukrainis mimarT, aris bundovani pozicia, anu argaRizianebis politika grZeldeba ruseTTan mimarTebaSi.
– dabolos, politikuri TvalsazrisiT, ras elodebiT am wlisgan da am mxriv ra roli ekisreba rogorc xelisuflebas, aseve opozicias qveynis sakeTildReod?
– politikosebi unda zrunavdnen ara romelime partiis an jgufis interesebisTvis, aramed Cveni qveynis da aq mcxovrebi adamianebis sakeTildReod. Cven valdebulebi varT, movusminoT erTmaneTs da aviRoT pasuxismgebloba erTad am qveynis ukeTesi momavlisaTvis. dRes mmarTvel partias aqvs uamravi problema da man es unda aRiaros, unda gamovides da Tqvas, rom aseT saqarTveloSi cxovreba aRar SeiZleba, rom qveynis datovebis msurvelebi arian Tavad saxelmwifo struqturebSi dasaqmebulebic. am saxelmwifos ar sWirdeba sakuTar Tavze mzrunveli an SecdomebiT savse xelisufali, Rirseuli aRiarebac Rirsebis nawilia da dasafasebelic. . .
