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avTandil abaSiZis cxovreba da SromiTi saqmianoba misabaZia. asakis miuxedavad, igi Cveuli SemarTebiT iq dgas, sadac dro da garemoeba moiTxovs
_ batono avTandil, ganvlili cxovrebidan ras gaixsenebT?
– Suaxevis raionis maRalmTian sofel darCiZeebSi davibade. warmatebiT vswavlobdi amave soflis rvawlian skolaSi, romlis damTavrebis Semdeg, Tbilisis samedicino saswavlebelSi, kbilis teqnikis specialobaze gavagrZele swavla. 1978 wels muSaoba daviwye Caqvis poliklinikaSi, sadac 10 weli davyavi. codnis gasaRrmaveblad swavla gavagrZele qalaq taganrogis samedicino saswavlebelSi kbilis eqimis specialobiT, romelic 1991 wels davasrule da davubrundi mSobliur kuTxes. muSaoba daviwye baTumis fTizio-pulmonologiur saavadmyofoSi, sadac 1994 wlamde davyavi. 1995 wlidan 2004 wlamde ki baTumis #№1 poliklinikaSi gavagrZele muSaoba. paralelurad, 1999-2004 wlebSi vswavlobdi baTumis damoukidebel universitetSi eqim-stomatologis specialobaze. Aamavdroulad, CaqvSi mqonda sakuTari klinika da vemsaxurebodi daba Caqvis mosaxleobas. erTaderTi, razec guli mwydeba isaa, rom mindoda Cemi codnisTvis meti gasaqani mimeca. aqedan gamomdinare, vfiqrobdi, orTopediaSi damecva sadoqtoro disertacia, magram daZabuli samuSao reJimis gamo, es ver ganvaxorciele, miuxedavad imisa, am potencials CemSi vxedavdi.
– skolam Tqvens CamoyalibebaSi ra roli Seasrula?
– saswavlo dawesebuleba did rols TamaSobs pirovnebis formirebaSi. Cveni skola gamoirCeoda Zlieri specialistebiT, amis dasturia Tundac is, rom darCiZeebis skolam, 40-ze meti medicinis muSaki aRzarda. Aadre, ZiriTadad, aqcenti aRebuli iyo baTumis saxelmwifo pedagogiur institutze. sergo cecxlaZisa da ioseb abaSiZis Tavdauzogavi Sromis Sedegia is, rom am maRalmTiani soflis axalgazrdebs gza gauxsnes dedaqalaqisken. pirveli, vinc am gzaze wavida, batoni dimitri cecxlaZe iyo. Semdeg mis kvals gahyva Taobebi, procesi dRemde grZeldeba.
– Svilebis arCevanSi ramdenad CaerieT?
– Svilebma arCevani Tavad gaakeTes, orivem samedicino sfero airCia. vaJi Cems kvals gahyva, qaliSvili ki farmacevtia. ojaxSi mqonda sakuTari klinika da bavSvebi pataraobidanve xedavdnen, rasac vakeTebdi, mexmarebodnen kidec. albaT, amanac ganapiroba maTi arCevani. ise, gulwrfelad rom giTxraT, am gzas rom ar gahyolodnen, guli metkineboda da. . . namdvilad Cavereodi.
– alioSa bakuriZesTan, dimitri, daviT, kaxa cecxlaZeebTan, daviT futkaraZesTan erTad saqvelmoqmedo fond ,,Subanis~ damfuZnebeli xarT. ra rols asrulebs fondi Subnis TemSi Semavali xuTi soflis mosaxleobis socialur-ekonomikur da kulturul cxovrebaSi?
– `Subanis~ Seqmnis ideis avtori me gaxlavarT. fondi saqvelmoqmedo saqmianobas eweva. kerZod, finansurad, materialurad exmareba warCinebul moswavle-axalgazrdebs, studentebs, magistrantebs, rezidentebs, doqtorantebs. xels uwyobs winaparTa qristianuli samlocveloebisa da kulturul-memkvidreobiTi Zeglebis (Semonaxuli nangrevi, naSTi) Seswavla-reabilitaciasa da axali eklesiebis mSeneblobas. yovelive amas, ra Tqma unda, marto ver gavwvdebodi, rom ara fondis gamgeobis wevrebis Tanadgoma. pirvelad fondma Subnis skolasTan aRmarTa jvrebi, Semdeg sofel tomaSeTsa da SubanSi. imedi maqvs, rom sofel darCiZeebsa da kobalTaSic, pedagogiuri koleqtivisa da soflis axalgazrdobis erTiani gadawyvetilebiT, male aRimarTeba jvrebi. fondis iniciativiT sofel Subansa da darCiZeebSi gaixsna qarTuli Widaobis skola, romelSic axalgazrdebi aqtiurad arian CarTulni da sakmao warmatebebsac aRweven. fonds mravali kargi idea aqvs Cafiqrebuli da amas mosaxleoba male ixilavs.
– gamorCeulad giyvarT da efereb-iT mTa Ciruxs . . .
– namdvilad, Ciruxi Cemi yvelaze susti wertilia. ukve 4 welia, axal wels megobrebTan erTad iq vxvdebi. wels yvelaze xangrZlivad gavCerdiT, veRar SevelieT iqaurobas. aseTi siamovneba arasdros mimiRia. Ciruxi marto zafxulSi ki ar unda giyvardes, zamTarSic unda moefero. beRurebsac ki gauxardaT Cveni iq asvla. . . didi madloba minda gadavuxado Ciruxis saguSagos mesazRvreebs gzis gawmendiTi samuSaoebisTvis, es wels pirvelad gakeTda. Tu yovelwliurad gaiwmindeba gza, mTa Ciruxs zamTarSic bevri stumari eyoleba. . .
– cxovrebis megzurs siyvaruli rogor auxseniT?
– ojaxi adre Sevqmeni. skolidan gviyvarda erTmaneTi. im periodSi siyvarulis axsna ZiriTadad, werilis saSualebiT xdeboda. mec, sando megobris xeliT vugzavnidi satrfialo baraTebs. . . skolis damTavrebisTanave gavipareT da dRes Cveni ojaxi 45 wels iTvlis.
– erovnuli moZraobis saTaveebTan ideqiT. imdroindeli TanamebrZolebi axlac gverds gimagreben.
– Cemi cxovrebis saukeTeso wlebi erovnul moZraobaSi gavatare. jer kidev 1978 wels, studenti, dedaenis dacvis dRes, mitingze videqi. aqedan ,,moviwamle~ erovnuli suliskveTebiT. wlebis Semdeg, erovnuli moZraobis aqtiuri wevri gavxdi. prezident zviad gamsaxurdiasTan tariel futkaraZem damakavSira. ,,mrgvali magidis~ aWaris organizacias 7-kaciani sabWo marTavda, romelTa Soris mec viyavi. `mrgvali magida – Tavisufali saqarTvelos~ regionuli organizacia CaqvSic dafuZnda avtofarexis mTavari inJinris badri cecxlaZis samuSao kabinetSi, rasac misi samsaxuridan gaTavisufleba mohyva. CaqvSi, Cems ojaxSi vikribebodiT sakiTxebis mosagvareblad da vadgendiT samuSao gegmas. ojaxi didi safrTxis winaSe idga, mudmivad gvakontrolebda uSiSroeba. miuxedavad amisa, far-xmali ar dagviyria. sami Tve tariel futkaraZe Cems ojaxSi cxovrobda, rasac xelisuflebis mxridan arasasurveli reaqcia mohyva. pirveli prefeqtebis naTloba Cems ojaxSi Sedga. es erT-erTi mniSvnelovani da saamayo epizodia Cems cxovrebaSi. . .
– istoriuli pirovnebebi, romlebmac Tqveni cxovreba sasikeTod Secvales. . .
– amaze nawilobriv visaubre. vfiqrob, mkiTxveli mixvda, vin arian eseni. ra Tqma unda, zviad gamsaxurdia da tariel futkaraZe.
– dasmenis msxverplic gaxdiT. im dagebuli maxis ukan vin idga?
– es iyo xelisuflebis mier dagegmili operacia. im periodSi vmuSaobdi aWaris Sromis, janmrTelobisa da socialuri dacvis ministris moadgiled (ekomigrantebsa da devnilebs vkurirebdi). dadga devnilebis sastumrodan gamoyvanis sakiTxi. amavdroulad, Tanxa iyo gamoyofili damewyrilTa ojaxebisaTvis saxlebis Sesasyidad. xelisuflebas ar awyobda is, rac me SevTavaze am sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT, kerZod, Tanxis gacema ki ara, binebis aSeneba da amiT ojaxebis dakmayofileba. ramdenime werili gavagzavne mTavrobaSi. es xelisuflebisTvis miuRebeli iyo. amitom daigegma Cem winaaRmdeg `operacia~, magram am speqtakls hyavda uniWo reJisori da ver ganaxorcieles Canafiqri. . . miuxedavad amisa, saqalaqo sasamarTlom Semifarda orTviani winaswari patimroba, aWaris umaRlesma sasamarTlom ki dainaxa simarTle da gamaTavisufla. es iyo precedenti saqarTvelos sasamarTlos istoriaSi. ra Tqma unda, damatovebines Tanamdeboba. sasaciloa is, rom vinc Cems dasaWerad Semovida (12 kaci), ramdenime xnis Semdeg, maTgan erT-erTi aRmoCnda Cems Tanamdebobaze. rac Seexeba damewyrilebs, is gegma, rac xelisuflebas SevTavaze, rom ganexorcielebina, dRevandeli ,,ocnebis qalaqi~ saxelmwifos did tvirTad aRar daawveboda.
– swrafvas evrokavSirisa da natosken rogor afasebT?
– saqarTvelom yvela mezobelTan gamoscada Tavisi urTierToba. Cveni gza evropiskenaa.
– gveSveleba gana?
– gveSveleba, namdvilad gveSveleba.
– raze ocnebobT?
– Cveni saxelmwifos srul teritoriul mTlianobaze, damoukideblobasa da demokratiasTan erTad.

