ტარიელ ქათამაძე: პარტია ,,საქართველოსთვის” პოლიტიკური ოპონენტების სავაჭრო საგნად იქცა
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giorgi gaxarias partiis `saqarTvelosTvis~ aWaris organizacia 25 damfuZneblidan 14-ma datova. mizezad organizaciis xelmZRvanelis irakli miqelaZis politikuri kursis miuRebloba daasaxeles da aRniSnes, rom isini mis `pronacionalur politikas kategoriulad emijnebian~.
`partias `saqarTvelosTvis~ Tavis droze imitom SevuerTdiT, rom erTaderT opoziciur Zalad CavTvaleT, romelsac, erTi mxriv, realurad SeeZlo ebrZola politikuri oponentebis winaaRmdeg, meore mxriv ki sazogadoebis keTildReobisTvis. aWaris organizaciis xelmZRvanelis politikuri kursi CvenTvis kategoriulad miuRebeli da gaugebaria, radgan irakli miqelaZe gadawyvetilebebs Rebulobs ganxilvis gareSe, erTpirovnulad. yvela, vinc ki gundis SigniT miqelaZisagan gansxvavebul pozicias aJRerebda, am ukanasknelis mxridan diskriminaciis msxverpli xdeboda. rTuli winasaarCevno maraTonidan gamomdinare, ar gvindoda ganxeTqileba Segvetana partiaSi da dumils vamjobinebdiT, Tumca yovelive aman procesebi kidev ufro gaauaresa. sakiTxi imaSi mdgomareobs, rom Cven ar gvsurs muSaoba ganvagrZoT adamianTan erTad, romelic spobs gansxvavebul azrs, Sidapartiul demokratias Riad emuqreba da partias marTavs ara amomrCevelTa nebis sasikeTod, aramed, piradi motivebiTa da angarebis miRebis mizniT. amitom, kategoriulad vemijnebiT irakli miqelaZis pronacionalur politikas da vtovebT partias~, – acxadeben partiidan wasulebi.
preskonferenciis miRma darCenil sakiTxebze da pretenziebze saubrobs partiis `saqarTvelosTvis~ aWaris organizaciis yofili damfuZnebeli tariel qaTamaZe. gTavazobT masTan intervius.
– tariel, riT migizidaT yofili premieris axaldafuZnebulma partiam, ratom CaTvaleT, rom xelisuflebidan wamosuli Cinovniki Zlier partias Camoayalibebda da wamyvani politikuri lideri gaxdeboda?
– rodesac dafuZnda partia `saqarTvelosTvis~, gasuli wlis 29 maiss baTumidan Cavedi Cems axalgazrda gundTan erTad, raTa monawileoba migveRo axali politikuri Zalis CamoyalibebaSi. rogorc maSin mogveCvena, es iyo gonieri adamianebisgan Semdgari, arsebuli politikuri Zalebisgan absoluturad gansxvavebuli partia, romelic SeZlebda, gaveyvaneT saqarTvelosTvis saWirboroto sakiTxebis gadawyvetis realur gzebze. sul 25 adamiani CavediT TbilisSi. gansakuTrebiT mogvewona giorgi gaxarias slogani, romelic partiis prezentaciaze gaaJRera: `verTiandebiT saqarTvelosTvis, magram aravis winaaRmdeg~. es swored is pozicia iyo, rasac veZebdiT erTmaneTis augiT savse qarTul politikur speqtrSi.
– manamde iyaviT romelime politikuri partiis wevri?
– ara, arsad gaverTianebulvar oficialurad.
– am lozungis garda, kidev ra mogewonaT partiis liderSi?
– misi saqmiani Tvisebebi, lavirebis unari, saxelmwifos marTvis stili. mas moixseniebdnen, rogorc maRali klasis krizismenejers, rac pandemiis marTviTac daamtkica, SeeZlo qveynis realuri reanimacia. ar vmalav, rom momwonda giorgi gaxaria misi premierobis dros da mimaCnda qveynis saukeTeso meTaurad. es ar iyo mxolod Cemi piradi damokidebuleba, bevri meTanxmeboda da igives ambobda. rodesac aseTi pirovneba tovebs posts, acxadebs, rom Seqmnis politikur partias, romelic mxolod da mxolod saqarTvelos keTildReobisken iqneba mimarTuli da ar gaexveva binZur politikur dapirispirebebSi, cxadia, siaxlis imedi giCndeba da gsurs miiRo monawileoba sufTa politikur procesebSi.
– Tqven damfuZnebeli iyaviT, irakli miqelaZe gamoirCeoda partiis prezentaciaze Tu ratom airCies aWaris organizaciis liderad?
– ara, maSin irakli miqelaZe iq arc yofila. vfiqrob, saerTod ar icoda am partiis dafuZnebis Sesaxeb. Semdeg movida da maSinve dainiSna partiuli kuTxiT aWaris organizaciis xelmZRvanelad.
– winasaarCevno kampania erTad CaatareT?
– ra Tqma unda, erTad vmuSaobdiT. moviwvieT axali wevrebi, davdiodiT municipalitetebSi, mivmarTavdiT mosaxleobas, vawvdidiT informacias partiis da misi lideris Sesaxeb, romelsac isedac kargad icnobdnen. am urTierTobebiT da SexvedrebiT miviReT axaldafuZnebuli partiisTvis marTlac uprecedento Sedegebi.
– TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebSi gamarjvebiT swored is `oqros Sualedi~ daikaveT, romelzec damokidebuli darCa pozicia-opoziciis da umravlesobis bedi.
– diax, ara mxolod baTumSi, rig municipalitetebSic Seiqmna analogiuri situacia, romelic unda gadawyvetiliyo Cveni – aWaris organizaciis damfuZneblebis uSualo CareviT. es logikuria da arc gvifiqria, rom is Sexvedrebi, Cven gareSe rom awarmoebda Cvenive organizaciis xelmZRvaneli, gaemijneboda Cvenive partiul xazs.
– Tqven gareSe ratom midioda, saerTod Tu icodiT am Sexvedrebis Sesaxeb?
– vicodiT, rogor ara da arc viyaviT winaaRmdegi, aTi da oci kaci xom ar waxval aseT dros, oric sakmarisia. Tumca, rogorc Semdeg gairkva, irakli miqelaZe aJRerebda erTpirovnul gadawyvetilebebs da ar miaCnda saWirod Cveni poziciis gagebac ki, araTu CvenTan SeTanxmeba da konsultaciebi.
– Tqven rogor gaigeT, iq ras ambobda?
– masmediaSi gakeTebul gancxadebebSi, dialogebsa Tu interviuebSi ikveTeboda is sqema, romelsac Tavad awyobda da Tavad aJRerebda oponentebTan Sexvedrebisas. Tavidan verc mivxvdiT, ras Svreboda, ndobiT vekidebodiT, magram bolos davinaxeT, rom praqtikulad Cixisken midioda mTeli es procesi da organizaciis xelmZRvaneli saerTo partiuls ki ara, saTaviso interesebs aTanxmebda da aJRerebda. rogorc davaskveniT, partia `saqarTvelosTvis~ politikuri oponentebis savaWro sagnad iqca. am situacias araerTgvarovnad afasebdnen Cveni axalgazrda Tanapartielebi. maTgan bevri Cemi studentic iyo, es adamianebi sul sxvas elodnen axali politikuri Zalisgan da miiRes is, ris gamoc ar moswondaT arc pozicia da arc opozicia.
– Tqven irakli miqelaZis Sexvedrebze gaJRerebuli winadadebebi ar mogewonaT Tu. . .
– iciT ra, Cven ar mogvewona is sruli ignorireba, romelsac gviwevda xelmZRvaneli. arafers viTxovdiT, SeeTanxmebina mainc, ris Tqmas da gakeTebasac apirebda. irRveoda Sidapartiuli disciplinac da urTierTobac, romelic ndobaze unda iyos dafuZnebuli.
– partiis centralur aparats ar SeexmianeT?
– rogor ara, centrs zepirad mivawodeT informacia regionSi arsebuli krizisis Sesaxeb. Tumca Zalian gagvakvirves imiT, rom aranairi reaqcia ar mohyolia maTi mxridan amas, ignorireba gagvikeTes. amis Semdeg Tavi valdebulad CavTvaleT Cvenive amomrCevlis winaSe, simarTle gveTqva. am xalxma mogvca xma da mogvendo. gamodioda, rom ver SevasruleT winasaarCevno danapirebi. aqedan gamomdinare, sxva gza aRar dagvrCa imis garda, rom oficialurad gagvecxadebina, ratom davtoveT damfuZneblebma partia da wavediT am politikuri organizaciidan.
– rogorc cnobilia, baTumis sakrebuloSi Tqveni partiis sami wevri moxvda. . .
– diax, aqedan erTma, irakli TavdgiriZem, swored amdagvari konfiliqtis gamo, neitraliteti da damoukidebeli deputatis statusi airCia. is arc opoziciis mxares iWers da arc poziciis. darCenili akaki gvianiZe da nino baciaSvili e.w. oqros Sualeds warmoadgenen dRevandel sakrebuloSi. es ori, irakli miqelaZis kandidatura iyo.
– tariel, Tqveni, rogorc Jurnalistis azriT, visi satelitia gaxarias partia, rogorc iciT, amaze araerTi mosazreba gaJRerda. pozicia opozicias abralebs, is – piriqiT.
– zustad ar vici, magram erTi kiTxva miCndeba: Tuki acxadeb, arc iqiT mxares var da arc aqeTo, maSin ratom ibareb am mxareebs cal-calke mosalaparakeblad, saerTod, ra gaqvs maTTan salaparako? es yvelaferi eWvs badebs, ra gaqvs gadasanawilebeli, Tanamdebobebi Tu ekonomikuri mxare, ras xdi vaWrobis sagnad? imdenad malavdnen yvelafers, rom TavisTavad veZebdiT pasuxs, rodesac ver miviReT, gadavwyviteT gamovsuliyaviT, raTa ar SegveSala piri Cveni momxreebisa da amomrCevlebisTvis. isic saTqmelia, rom sakrebulos muSaoba paralizebulia, sxdoma xom unda Catardes da gadawydes qalaqisTvis sasicocxlo mniSvnelobis sakiTxebi. ianvari mTavrdeba da oqtomberSi arCeuli sakrebulo ar daiZra mkvdari wertilidan. sanamde unda viyoT am mdgomareobaSi?
– Tavad gaxariam rogor Seafasa Tqveni gasvla partiidan?
– akeTeben gancxadebebs, moisyideso, aba ras ityvian, sakuTar Secdomebs da ignorirebis faqts xom ar gamofenen qveynis winaSe? arada, Cven davupirispirdiT aWaris organizaciis xelmZRvanels, romelic ar gvayenebda saqmis kursSi da erTpirovnulad afiqsirebda sakuTar azrs. Cven gamovediT imitom, rom bolos da bolos, unda daiwyos funqcionireba baTumis sakrebulom. is, rom irakli miqelaZe amas ar axorcielebs, yvela mxriv ewinaaRmdegeba process, adasturebs, rom vaWrobis sagnad xdis politikur organizacias da elodeba romelime mxarisgan realur Sepirebas. bevri eWvi gvaqvs, magram jer ar vasajarovebT, umjobesia, Tavad gascen pasuxi sakuTar amomrCevlebs da Tanapartielebs, Tu ratom gavida amdeni damfuZnebeli sakmaod warmatebuli politikuri gaerTianebidan.
am sakiTxze interviu vTxoveT partia `saqarTvelosTvis~ aWaris organizaciis xelmZRvanel irakli miqelaZes.
– irakli, partia `saqarTvelosTvis~ aWaris organizaciis 25 damfuZneblidan 14-ma partia datova, rogor xsniT aseT radikalur gadawyvetilebas?
– sakmaod martivad, aq araferia Tavsatexi. `qarTuli ocnebis~ xelwera ar icvleba, kargad Cans, rom agrZelebs Cveni politikuri gaerTianebis winaaRmdeg mimarTul kampanias da yvela xerxiT cdilobs, gadaibiros partiis wevrebic da damfuZneblebic. sxva axsna am process ar moeZebneba. bevri adamiani ver uZlebs im zewolas, rasac mmarTveli gundi maTze axorcielebs, eqceva maTi gavlenis qveS. zogs isyidian, zogs aSineben, zogs arwmuneben da a.S. anu minda vTqva, rom es is xalxia, vinc ver gadalaxa `qarTuli ocnebis~ mier Seqmnili xelovnuri barierebi. am procesis logikuri dasasruli iyo is brifingi, romelic Cvenma yofilma damfuZneblebma moiwvies.
– Tuki ase martivad aixsneba es yvelaferi, cxadia, rom mmarTveli gundi gaagrZelebs igive process da male aRaravin dagrCebaT partiaSi. ras apirebT?
– Cven bolomde vibrZolebT, ar davTmobT miRwevebs da yvela Rones vixmarT partiis gaZlierebisa da ganviTarebisTvis. aqve vacxadeb, dRes, qarTul sinamdvileSi, Cven varT erTaderTi politikuri Zala, romelmac zustad icis, ra problemebi aqvs Cvens qveyanas, sad unda veZeboT misi gadaWris gzebi da rogor movagvaroT saxelmwifoebrivi sakiTxebi.
– wasulebi brals gdeben `erTian nacionalur moZraobasTan~ TanamSromlobaSi.
– vacxadeb, rom Cven varT erTaderTi realurad Zlieri politikuri partia, romelic winaaRmdegobas gauwevs `erTian nacionalur moZraobas~ da ar dauSvebs mis dabrunebas xelisuflebaSi. ician Cveni realuri Zala da amitomacaa, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ `nacionalebTan~ kavSirs gvabralebs, xolo `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ – `ocnebis~ satelitobas.
– baTumis sakrebuloSi axla `oqros Sualedi~ giWiravT. bolos da bolos, romelime mxares xom unda gadaxvideT?
– Cven aravis mxares ar vixrebiT, mxolod xalxis samsaxurSi Cadgomas virCevT da yvela Rones vixmarT mosaxleobis keTildReobis misaRwevad. xelisuflebis Zalovani uwyebebis mier organizebuli is speqtakli ki, rac xalxis saCveneblad moawyo daviT cecxlaZem da misma gundma, sakmaod dabal doneze, uniWod Sesrulebuli iyo.
– baTumis sakrebuloSi myofi Tqveni partiis ori wevri Tu ar daiwyebs moqmedebas, qalaqi paralizebuli iqneba.
– mivusxdebiT molaparakebebis magidas da avirCevT am Cixidan optimalur gamosavals. ukve SevTavazeT maT ramdenime versia, akaki gvianiZem moiTxova kidec sakrebulos sxdomis mowveva, raTa davasruloT qalaqSi arsebuli krizisi, magram, samwuxarod, Sedegi ar Cans, radgan `qarTuli ocnebac~ da `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobac~ ise arian dakavebuli politikuri TamaSebiT, xalxisTvis ver iclian. am qalaqSi Cven warmovadgenT erTaderT politikur Zalas, romelsac surs warmoqmnili krizisis dasruleba da qalaqis problemebisi mogvareba, amitom CvenTvis gasagebia is gaugonari Tavdasxmebi, rac orive mxridan xorcieldeba Cveni gundis wevrebze. amisTvis mzad varT, radgan zustad viciT, ras vakeTebT da ras gavakeTebT momavalSi.
– saubari iyo Tqvens vice-merobazec. . .
– es absurdia, Tanac iseTi, rom amaze komentaris gakeTebac ar minda.

