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yvelaze didma opoziciurma partiam `erTianma nacionalurma moZraobam~ (enm) politikurad gaZarcva patara partiebi, – ganacxada mmarTveli partia `qarTuli ocnebis~ erT-erTma liderma arCil TalakvaZem damoukidebeli politikosis gigi ugulavas iniciativaze `nacionaluri moZraobis~ gardasaxvasa da `misi qolgis qveS~ didi opoziciuri Zalis SeqmnasTan dakavSirebiT. `aseTi qolga opozicias bolo 2 weliwadSi orjer mainc hqonda gaSlili. Sedegi iyo is, rom Sevidnen es axali partiebi xmebiT da gamovidnen qolgidan xmebis gareSe. anu `nacionalurma moZraobam~ isini politikurad gaZarcva qolgis qveS~.
ugulava ki darwmunebulia, rom es enm-s ufro mravalferovans gaxdis, moizidavs axal adamianebsa da politikurad aqtiur jgufebs.
`nacmoZraobis~ erT-erTi lideris levan beJaSvilis gancxadebiT, ugulavas iniciativa partiaSi seriozulad ar ganuxilavT. misi TqmiT, `nacionaluri moZraoba,~ gansakuTrebiT bolo wlebSi, xSirad exmareba patara partiebs politikaSi adgilis gasamyareblad. beJaSvilma aRniSna, rom enm mcire partiebs koaliciuri mTavrobis models sTavazobda. ideis iniciatori miiCnevs, rom amJamad yalibdeba suraTi, rodesac qveyanaSi ori wamyvani partiis – mmarTveli Zalisa da `nacmoZraobis~ garda, aris kidev mesame Zala. esaa calke aRebuli partiebi, romlebsac, gaerTianebis SemTxvevaSi, SeuZliaT seriozulad Searyion mmarTveli partiis poziciebi.
ras fiqroben amaze `qarTuli ocnebis~ wevrebi, rogor afaseben parlamentsa da qveyanaSi mimdinare politikur procesebs, ra xdeba baTumis sakrebulos Sualeduri arCevnebis win?
gvesaubreba aWaris umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomaris moadgile tite aroSiZe.
– Tuki adre `qarTuli ocneba~ loialobas iCenda opoziciis mimarT, axla gaamkacra midgomebi. saqarTvelos parlamentis saproceduro sakiTxTa komitetma jafariZisa da naTelaSvilisTvis sadeputato uflebamosilebis vadamde Sewyvetis gadawyvetileba miiRo. . . .
– gamomdinare iqidan, rom opozicias parlamenti ar sWirdeba realuri saqmis sakeTeblad Tu qveynisTvis sasikeTo iniciativebis warsadgenad, es mosalodnelic iyo. isini parlaments mxolod performansebis mosawyob, saTamaSo arenad iyeneben. es Tavadac daadastures, rodesac xmamaRla ganacxades: `Cven xan parlamentSi movalT da aq viyvirebT, xanac – quCaSi gavalT, iq movawyobT mitingebs~. es aris ara oponirebis reJimi, aramed qveynisTvis saziano, sakanonmdeblo organos mimarT ki, Seuracxmyofeli gancxadeba. vfiqrob, aseTi opoziciis yofnas parlamentSi azri ar aqvs.
– opozicia yovelTvis oponirebs. rogori opozicia unda iyos parlamentSi?
parlamentSi unda darCnen is opoziciuri Zalebi da individebi, vinc mowodebulia qveynis sasikeTo saqme akeTos. Tu romeli flangidan iqneba iniciativebi, amas aranairi mniSvneloba ar aqvs.
jer `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ acxadebs boikots parlamentSi Sesvlaze, Semdeg, quCaSi gamarTul mitingebze xalxi rom SemoakldaT da sakuTari mxardamWerebis mobilizebac ver moaxerxes, gadawyvites, mTeli es procesi parlamentidan emarTaT da mmarTveli partiisTvis xeli SeeSalaT muSaobaSi. Tqven iciT, rom bolo periodSi parlamentSi uamravi sasikeTo iniciativa ganxorcielda, romelic Sevida kanonproeqtebSi, zogierTi maTgani kanonadac Camoyalibda. anu es aris is, rac Cvens qveyanas sWirdeba am etapze. parlamenti sakanonmdeblo organoa, romelic aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebisTvis da mosaxleobisTvis Rebulobs garkveul iniciativebs da gadawyvetilebebs, magram Tu mxolod xelSesaSlelad da destruqciisTvis Sedis opoziciuri Zala, maSin aRaraferi esaqmeba qveynis umaRles sakanonmdeblo organoSi.
– TalakvaZis gancxadebiT, enm-m gaZarcva patara partiebi. . .
– faqtia, rasac aRiareben kidec rogorc Tavad es patara partiebi, ise `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~. rodesac saubaria strategiuli mniSvnelobis gadawyvetilebis miRebaze, iciT, rom mxolod `nacionaluri moZraobis~ iniciativebiT xdeba opoziciuri Zalebis mobilizeba. es. ra Tqma unda, niSnavs, rom samwuxarod, aravis ara aqvs enm-Tan SewinaaRmdegebis resursi da ver axerxeben ar gayvnen maT mier arCeul gzas.
– Tavad patara partiebis liderebi acxadeben, rom damoukideblebi arian da ar erTiandebian aravis qolgis qveS.
– ki, acxadeben, aba ras ityvian. yvirian – Cven ar varT `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ narativi, ar varT Sekruli, magram yvela xedavs igive sakrebuloebSi, rom nabijsac ver dgamen `maT~ gareSe. baTumis sakrebuloSic gamoCnda, `lelos~ da `saqarTvelosTvis~ partiebis wevrebi ra gzasac daadgnen. arc erTs ar uxsenebia is damoukidebloba, xmamaRla rom acxadeben. `erTian nacionalur moZraobas~ undoda gaeyvana sakrebulos Tavmjdomared `lelos~ kandidati. sxvagvarad rogor aixsneba es faqti, iqneb miTxraT?..
yovelive niSnavs, rom `nacionalurma moZraobam~ gadaylapa patara partiebi, Seqmna gadawyvetilebis miRebis uunaro aliansi da isinic ukve TamaSoben qveynisTvis saziano TamaSs.
– ugulavas iniciativaze ras ityviT? misi azriT, qveyanaSi arsebobs mesame Zala, esaa calke aRebuli partiebi, romlebsac, gaerTianebis SemTxvevaSi, SeuZliaT seriozulad Searyion mmarTveli partiis poziciebi.
– modiT, faqtebiT da statistikiT visaubroT. vnaxeT, rom uaxloes warsulSi, saparlamento arCevnebSi, Cven movipoveT damajerebeli gamarjveba sakonstitucio umravlesobiT imis miuxedavad, rom mTeli opoziciuri Zalebis gaerTianeba gamovida `qarTuli ocnebis~ winaaRmdeg. ukve esec miuTiTebs, rom maT konsolidaciis unari ki ara, survilic ar gaaCniaT.
– rom gaerTiandnen?
– gaerTianebulebic ver Searyeven `qarTuli ocnebis~ poziciebs, magram am SemTxvevaSi, opozicias meti Sansi aqvs garkveul niSnulamde mivides. dRes mosaxleoba irCevs im Zalas, romelic stabiluria, mSvidobiani gziT midis da aranairi revanSis survilic ar aqvs. amitom vambobT, rom opozicias Cvens winaaRmdeg araviTari Sansi ar gaaCnia.
– es kargia Tu cudi?
– ra Tqma unda, cudia. samwuxaroa, rodesac aseTi oponenti gvyavs. opoziciis arsi gulisxmobs xelisuflebis kontrols, rac xels uwyobs qveynis ganviTarebas. jansaRi opozicia ganapirobebs konkurenciis reJims politikaSi da xels uwyobs swori gadawyvetilebebis miRebas rogorc mmarTveli partiis, aseve sxvadasxva aRmasrulebeli struqturis Tu saxelmwifo instituciis mxridan. msgavsi araferi xdeba, saxelmwifo interesebisTvis realurad moqmedi opoziciuri partia ar gvyavs. yvela opoziciuri Zala, romelic arsebobs, an darCa registrirebuli iusticiaSi an `nacionalur moZraobasTan~ aliansSia.
– `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ acxadebs, rom maT mier warmodgenil mtkicebulebebs sxvadasxva korufciuli garigebis Sesaxeb, mmarTveli gundi yurad ar iRebs.
– imitom, rom maTi mtkicebulebebi Zalian zedapirulia, rogorc ki Rrmad vikvlevT, araferi rCeba am braldebebisgan. yvela vxedavT, rogori destruqciulia `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ yvela qmedeba, sityviT gamosvlac ki. amitom am partiasTan afilirebuli da narativSi myofi Zalebi ver miaRweven veranair konsolidacias `nacionalur moZraobaSi~ gaTqvefis garda.
– parlamentSi sagamoZiebo komisiis Camoyalibebaze ras ityviT, ramdenad aucilebelia?
– aranair aucileblobas ar warmoadgens. romeli komisiac unda Seiqmnas, faqtebis mixedviT verafers daamtkicebs. Cven yvela yvelafers pirdapir eTerSi vuyurebT da ar gvrCeba kiTxvis niSani sasamarTlo Tu sagamoZiebo uwyebebTan. axla miTxariT, im komisiam ra unda gamoiZios? es kidev erTi scenaria, atydes aJiotaJi da sazogadoebis yuradReba miizidon saakaSvilis irgvliv mimdinare procesebisken, anu qveynis mesame prezidentis TiTqos da udanaSaulod gasamarTlebaze.
– bevrs amaSi marTlac epareba eWvi.
– ar mgonia, brma aravinaa da sazogadoebamac icis, rac daaSava saakaSvilma. piriqiT, mas ufro naklebs edavebian, radgan ganadgurebuli aqvT mtkicebulebebi. Cvenc ar unda avyveT `nacionalebis~ manipulacias. miviRoT es adamiani rigiT braldebulad, patimrad, romelmac unda moixados sasamarTlos mier misjili sasjeli. is ar unda asocirdebodes opoziciuri speqtris mTavar figurad. gvaqvs uamravi saqme, rasac sWirdeba swori gadawyvetilebebis miReba da mizandasaxuli politikis SemuSaveba.
– ras ityviT ukrainis mimarT saqarTvelos mTavrobis mxardaWeraze?
– arsebobs rezolucia, romelic miiRo umravlesobam da parlamentma. vinc gaecno am teqsts, aRiara, rom masSi devs ukrainis mxardasaWeri uryevi da marTali pozicia. saubaria samoqalaqo sazogadoebasa da im partnior qveynebze, romlebic Cvens gverdiT dganan. Tavad ukrainamac didi madloba gadagvixada am rezoluciisTvis. yvelam kargad icis, rom ukrainisTvis erTaderTi safrTxe ruseTia. Sesabamisad, vfiqrob, am rezoluciaSi gamarTulad aris gawerili yvela is punqti, romelic Seesabameba dRevandel politikur da militaristul viTarebas ukrainaSi. amitom, Caiwera Tu ara opoziciis mier gaprotestebuli winadadeba, araviTari mniSvneloba ar aqvs. es isev da isev, WiqaSi datrialebuli morigi, maTTvis Cveuli qariSxalia.
– 2 aprilis Sualedur arCevnebSi monawile `qarTuli ocnebis~ kandidats ramaz jinWaraZes rogor daaxasiaTebT, aqvs Tu ara gamarjvebis Sansi im olqSi, romelic Tavis droze opoziciam moigo?
– Tu gindaT, pirdapir getyviT scenars, romelsac `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ gaaTamaSebs. faqtia, rom ramaz jinWaraZe imdenad Zlieri kandidatia, verafriT eyoleba Rirseuli metoqe opoziciis mxridan. ramazi aris pirovneba, romelmac uamravi sasikeTo saqme gaakeTa ara mxolod baTumis, sruliad aWarisTvis. misi uSualo monawileobiT xorcieldeba yvela proeqti, romelic ekomigrantebis Temas exeba. misi damsaxurebaa, rom aWaris jandacvis saministros Zalian bevri socialuri programa, realurad exmareba umweo da SeWirvebul ojaxebs. wlebis ganmavlobaSi ramaz jinWaraZe uZRveboda mTel am process. marto `ocnebis qalaqis~ mowesrigeba rad Rirs. man, `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardaWeriT, samTavrobo gundTan erTad, uzarmazari Zalisxmevis fasad, SeZlo moegvarebina aq arsebuli Zalian mZime viTareba. dRes, sxvadasxva gasaWiris gamo, ukanonod dakavebul teritoriaze, sadac normaluri cxovrebisTvis aranairi pirobebi ar arsebobda, ukve axali korpusebis mSenebloba mimdinareobs.
– Tqven scenari axseneT. . .
– ki, batono, arCevnebamde ramdenime dRiT adre, opozicia daiwyebs nugzar futkaraZis gardacvalebiT apelirebas maisurebiT, romelzec mis fotos ganaTavseben, win wamoweven emociur fons. SeiZleba maT kandidats, nugzar futkaraZis Svils icnoben misi axloblebi, magram politikur sivrceSi is arsad gvinaxavs. rom SevadaroT maTe futkaraZis da ramaz jinWaraZis biografiebi, cxadia, uzarmazari gansxvavebaa. adamianebs Tvalebi aqvT. am TamaSs umjobesia, simarTles Sexedon realurad, Sewyviton tragikuli situaciiT manipulireba da ar gamoiyenon adamianis gardacvaleba viwro partiuli interesis gasatareblad. amoraluri, amazrzenia, rasac akeTebs `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~. msgavsi qmedebiT, im axalgazrdas momavals gaufuWeben – veRar SeZlebs Tavis damkvidrebas politikaSi, Tuki Semdgom eqneba amis survili.