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baTumis sakrebulos Sualedur arCevnebSi, romelic 2 aprilsaa daniSnuli, opoziciam sakuTari kandidati daasaxela – gardacvlili maJoritari deputatis Svili maTe futkaraZe im olqSi iyris kenWs, sadac nugzar futkaraZem gaimarjva. maTe futkaraZis TqmiT, misi mizani politikaSi CarTva ar yofila, Tumca arCevnebSi monawileoba gadawyvita, radgan Tvlis, rom `es Rirsebis arCevnebia ara mxolod misi ojaxisaTvis, aramed sruliad saqarTvelosTvis~. opoziciis sxva partiebs ar dausaxelebiaT sakuTari kandidati am brZolaSi da erTxmad ganacxades, rom mxars dauWerdnen enm-is mier warmodgenil pirovnebas, radgan miaCniaT, rom ukve gamarjvebulma partiam unda daitovos am olqSi kenWisyris ufleba.
Tavis mxriv, `qarTuli ocneba~ mTeli ZalisxmeviT cdilobs damatebiTi xmis mopovebas, risTvisac am brZolaSi jandacvis ministris pirveli moadgile ramaz jinWaraZe Caaba. mas socialuri programebis ganxorcielebiT, mosaxleobis didi mxardaWera gaaCnia. 2 aprilis arCevnebi gadawyvets, vis eqneba umravlesoba warmomadgenlobiT organoSi.
Tu ras apireben `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevrebi, ra poziciaze dganan da saerTod, rogor afaseben qveyanaSi mimdinare politikur movlenebs, amaze saubrobs `aWarasTan~ umaRlesi sabWos deputati, enm-is baTumis organizaciis xelmZRvaneli giorgi kirTaZe.
– bolo periodSi `qarTulma ocnebam~ gaamkacra opoziciis mimarT midgoma da Tu adre exveweboda parlamentSi Sesvlas, axla CamoarTva mandatebi `lelos~ wevrs da `leiboristebis~ liders.
– `qarTulma ocnebam~ ukve gamoacxada, rom gansakuTrebul reJims SemoiRebs opoziciisTvis. ase rom, CvenTvis es qmedebebi ar aris moulodneli, magram ucxoeli partniorebisac rom ar erideba da putinis msgavsad `suverenul demokratias~ gaiZaxis, es ukve kargi aRar aris qveynisTvis. swored yvelafer amis Semadgenel nawilad ganvixilavT im politikur oromtrials, romelsac mmarTveli gundis politikuri liderebi awarmoeben mTeli qveynis masStabiT da maT Soris – parlamentSic. politikuri devna da zewola, `qarTuli ocnebis~ ZiriTad iaraRad iqca sakanonmdeblo organoebSic da qalaqebis TviTmmarTvelobebSic. mizani erTaderTi aqvT – rogorme SeinarCunon xelisufleba. amis gamo, isini yvelaferze midian.
– cota ucnaurad xom ar geCvenebaT is faqti, rom badri jafariZe Sualedur arCevnebSi monawileobs parlamentSi dasabruneblad?
– am nabijs brZolis Semadgenel nawilad ganvixilav da mivesalmebi, iseve, rogorc baTumis sakrebulos Sualedur arCevnebSi nugzar futkaraZis Svilis, maTes monawileobas, romelic mamis adgils daiWers qalaqis sakrebuloSi. am etapze opoziciis erToba mogvcems Sanss, davamarcxoT ivaniSvilis reJimi, Zalaufleba xelidan gamovtacoT da safuZveli davudoT sruliad axali saxelmwifo marTvis organoebis Camoyalibebas. cxadia, vgulisxmob koaliciuri mTavrobis Seqmnas da qveynis gaZlierebas.
– rogor daaxasiaTebT maTe futkaraZes, eqneba Tu ara xalxis mxardaWera im olqSi, sadac iyris kenWs?
– maTe futkaraZe Zalian kargi adamiani, Rirseuli pirovnebaa. marTalia, politikaSi gamoucdelia, partiuli interesebiT ar ucxovria, sakuTari patara biznesi hqonda, Tumca esec upiratesobad mimaCnia, radgan ar yofila gaxveuli politikur intrigebSi. mas aqvs is Tvisebebi, romelic sWirdeba sakrebulos wevrs – icis ra aris aucilebeli qalaqisTvis da qalaqelebisTvis. sakmaod didi samegobro wre hyavs, bevri icnobs da pativs scems rogorc baTumels, adamians, visac uyvars Tavisi qalaqi da bolomde daixarjeba baTumelTa sakeTildReod. sxvaTa Soris, am arCevnebze axali saxeebi SemoviyvaneT opoziciaSi, romlebmac gaamarTla da qalaqis ndoba daimsaxura. darwmunebuli var, axlac igive ganmeordeba da Cveni TanadgomiT, swored maTe futkaraZes dauWers mxars am konkretuli saarCevno olqis mosaxleoba.
– saarCevno kampania mimdinareobs?
– ki, ukve daviwyeT. maTe atarebs kardakar Sexvedrebs, esaubreba xalxs, ecnoba maT problemebs, yuradRebiT usmens yvelas da cdilobs iseTive urTierTobebi hqondes maTTan, rogorc mis mamas msgavs viTarebaSi. kampaniaSi aqtiurad arian CarTuli maTes mamis megobrebic, opoziciis partiebis warmomadgenlebi, yvela cdilobs maqsimaluris gakeTebas, raTa ar wavagoT olqi, romelic Tavis droze movigeT. mokled rom vTqvaT, dagegmili gvaqvs sxvadasxva saxis aqtivoba, rac TavisTavad mosdevs analogiur process da am etapze yvelaferi warmatebiT xorcieldeba. aqve davamateb imasac, rom es Sualeduri arCevnebi umniSvnelovanesia CvenTvis, radgan baTumis sakrebulos bedi wydeba. iciT, iq ra situaciaa – 17/17-ze. amasTan, migvaCnia, rom am sakiTxs ufro farTod unda SevxedoT, radgan ukve Rirsebis arCevnebad iqca. nugzar futkaraZem pirvelive turSi daamarcxa `qarTuli ocneba~. iciT isic, Semdeg ra movlenebi ganviTarda Cveni gardacvlili megobris irgvliv, SesTavazes fulic, Tanamdebobac, magram arafers daTanxmda, ganucxada, ar gaviyidebi, im asi aTass ramdeni nulic unda daumatoTo. masze zewola ganxorcielda da . . . gulma veRar gauZlo, gardaicvala. swored amitom Tvlis saqarTvelos mTeli opoziciuri speqtri am procesebs Rirsebis saqmed. yvela Rones vixmarT, raTa misma Svilma pirvelive turSi, damajereblad gaimarjvos. mas amisTvis yvela piroba gaaCnia, anu Cveni da xalxis mxardaWera. batoni nugzari ar gaiyida, erTguleba, sindisi airCia da mjera, misi amomrCevlebic ar gaiyidebian, isev opoziciis kandidats dauWeren mxars sakrebulos wevrad.
– axlaxan ratom daakaves opoziciis 6 warmomadgenli?
– nugzar futkaraZis da nazi futkaraZe da sxva qalbatonebi, misuli iyvnen irakli kobaxiZesTan, romelic baTumSi atarebda Sexvedrebs da pasuxi mosTxoves nugzaris gardacvalebis gamo.
– maincdamainc irakli kobaxiZes ratom?
– irakli kobaxiZe is adamania, romelmac 19 oqtombers, arCevnebis dasrulebis Semdeg gamogvicxada, mere ra, rom mosaxleobis 60%-ma uari gviTxra, mainc gveqneba baTumis sakrebuloSi umravlesobao. anu man pirdapir ganacxada, rom iwyeboda zewola sakrebulos wevrebze, rac ganxorcielda kidec. iciT, rom gadavida maT mxares gaxarias gundis wevri, xolo nugzar futkaraZe amas emsxverpla. amitom, kobaxiZemac da yvelam unda icodes, am saqmes aucileblad gamoviZiebT, damnaSaveebi daisjebian da kobaxiZec agebs pasuxs, rogorc adamiani, romlis iniciativiTac moewyo es yvelaferi `sakrebuloSi umravlesobis misaRwevad nebismieri formiT~. dRevandeli mocemulobiT, baTumis sakrebuloSi 34 wevria da maTgan 17 opoziciuri partiebidan. axali mowvevis sakrebulo 3 dekembers, sakuTari uflebamosilebis cnobis mizniT Catarebuli pirveli sxdomis Semdeg, veRar axerxebs Sekrebas da Tavmjdomaris arCevas, radgan gadawyvetilebis misaRebad saWiro, sul mcire, 18 xma, arcerT mxares ar aqvs. amitom `iRvwian~ `qarTuli ocnebis~ liderebi, sxva arafrisTvis.
– cxadia, rom kobaxiZe Tqveni aqciebiT ar SeSinebula, radgan am Camosvlazec ganacxada: `Cveni politikuri amocanaa, yvelaferi gavakeToT imisTvis, rom umravlesoba uzrunvelvyoT im sakrebuloebSi, sadac am etapze ar gvaqvs umravlesoba~ . . .
– ara uSavs, baTumSi yvela Camosvlaze SevaxsenebT, rac daaSava. an axla ra piriT acxadebs igives? Tavis droze enm-m gaimarjva am olqSi da sindisis, zneobis da moralis ambavia, rom gardacvlili adamianis adgilze sxva partiis warmomadgenlis gasvla ar dauSvan. yvelafers xom aqvs Tavisi zRvari . . . es yvelaferi unda icodes ramaz jinWaraZemac, axla kenWs rom iyris mmarTveli gundis brZanebiT. am saqmeze aucileblad dadgeba konkretuli pirebis samarTlebrivi pasuxismgebloba, magram moralur da politikur pasuxismgeblobas ramaz jinWaraZec ver gaeqceva. unda icodes, rom sisxlis fasad moxda am mandatis gamoTavisufleba da misTvis brZola, jinWaraZis mxridan, ar aris swori.
– giorgi, Tu SeiZleba axlo warsuls gadavwvdeT, ratom daiwyeT da ratom SewyviteT SimSilobis aqcia?
– daviwyeT mixeil saakaSvilisTvis solidarobis gamosacxadeblad da misi gaTavisuflebis moTxovniT. protestis es forma radikaluria da udides fizikur da moralur Zalisxmevas moiTxovs, magram Cven gviRirda amaze wasvla, Tuki cotaTi mainc mivuaxlovdebodiT dasaxul mizans. Semdeg, saqarTvelos mesame prezidentis werili gamoqveynda, sadac mogviwoda SimSilobis Sewyvetisken, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, Tavad apirebda SimSilobis kvlav dawyebas. man gaigo, rom Cveni bevri megobari gaxda SeuZlod da amitom gamogvicxada, rom araviTar SemTxvevaSi aRar gagvegrZelebina. ra unda gveqna, Cvenc SevwyviteT SimSiloba da gadaverTeT sxva saprotesto aqtivobebSi.
– gamodis, SimSilobiT mizans ver miaRwieT . . .
– arc gvifiqria, rom saboloo mizans mxolod SimSilobiT mivuaxlovdebodiT, es protestis mxolod calkeuli formaa. amitom vapirebT bevr sxva xerxs mivmarToT, gamoviyenoT rogorc sakanonmdeblo tribuna, ise quCis mitingebi, raTa erTxel da samudamod SevaCeroT mmarTveli gundis ganukiTxaoba. Tu gainteresebT, ra vigrZeni SimSilobis aqciis dros, getyviT: saSineleba iyo, Sedegebs axlac vimkiT da movuwodeb yvelas, arasodes iSimSilos.
– ras gvetyviT aWaris umaRles sabWoSi Tqveni muSaobis Sesaxeb?
– aWaris umaRlesi sabWo am etapze ufunqciodaa darCenili, mas ukve aRaranairi datvirTva ar gaaCnia. institucias, romelic Tavis uflebamosilebas ver axorcielebs, rogor unda mosTxovo rameze pasuxi? erTaderTi, rac umaRles sabWos evaleba, es aris aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis kontroli, magram Zalian kargad iciT, rom Cveni deputatebi amas ver da ar axorcieleben, ris gamoc, amxela organizacia, romlis Senaxvac gvariani Tanxa ujdeba biujets, arafris maqnisi ar aris. albaT, adevnebdiT Tvals biujetebis damtkicebas. erTi-erTze auxdaT yvelaferi, rac vuTxariT opoziciis warmomadgenlebma. amis miuxedavad, uazro, SuSis TvalebiT Semogvyureben da araadekvaturi politikuri gancxadebebiT Semoifarglebian. samwuxarod, umaRlesi sabWo ar aris is organo, romelic raime qmediT nabijebs dgams regionSi. Cven mainc vcdilobT, CaverToT am organos muSa-obaSi da mTavrobaze zewolis yvela berketi gamoviyenoT. ase gagrZeldeba momavalSic.
– rogor SeafasebT salome zurabiSvilis erovnuli Serigebis mcdelobas da mowodebas e.w. siZulvilis enis Sewyvetis Taobaze?
– is rom polarizeba unda dasruldes, siZulvilis eniT aRar visaubroT, amas yvela mxare aRniSnavs, magram vin risi gamkeTebelia, es aris sakiTxavi. ras vakeTebT `siZulvilis enis~ dasasruleblad da polarizebis aRmosafxvrelad? Tuki qalbaton salomes erovnuli Serigeba marTlac surs, mas gaaCnia amisTvis saWiro berketebi da aamoqmedos, ras elodeba? jerjerobiT, saubris iqiT, realurad gadadgmul nabijsac ki ver vxedav. arada, qalbaton prezidents marTla aqvs qveynis axal relsebze gadayvanis Sansi. iyo Sexvedrebi, saubrebi, sxva prezidentebic CaerTo sqemaSi, Tumca saqme ar daZrula adgilidan, isev erT adgils tkepnis.
– ra etapzea parlamentSi saakaSvilis saqmis gamosaZiebeli komisiis Seqmnis procesi?
– Tqvens pirvel kiTxvas rom davubrundeT, jafariZe-naTelaSvilisTvis mandatis CamorTmevis Sesaxeb, es procesi am komisiis SeqmnasTan pirdapir kavSirSia. `qarTuli ocneba~ yvelafers akeTebs imisTvis, rom ver Segrovdes komisiis SeqmnisTvis aucilebeli xmebis raodenoba parlamentSi.
– mxolod amitom garicxes?
– ra Tqma unda, saqarTvelos parlamentSi unda iyos 150 deputati, axla bevrad naklebia. cdiloben, aravin gaaCeron iq, vinc cotaTi mainc gansxvavebulad fiqrobs.
– ras fiqrobT ugulavas iniciativaze, rom patar-patara partiebis gaerTianebiT, saqarTveloSi mesame realuri Zala Camoyalibdeba?
– veTanxmebi absoluturad. saqarTveloSi Catarebuli yvela kvlevis mixedviT, saqarTvelos mosaxleobis didi nawili `qarTuli ocnebis~ winaaRmdegia, isini arc enm-s uWeren mxars. es aris obieqturi realoba. anu arsebobs opoziciurad ganwyobili eleqtorati, aqedan gamomdinare, mniSvnelovania politikuri koordinacia yvela opoziciurad ganwyobil adamians Soris. Tu ra formatSi moxdeba es gaerTianeba, ar vici, magram rom unda moxdes – faqtia. sxvanairad, biZina ivaniSvili kidev erTxel SeZlebs gaixangrZlivos xelisuflebaSi yofna.
– gaxarias gundze ras gvetyviT, ukve gamoikveTa Tqveni TanamSromloba?
– me ver vityvi, rom gaxariaze mze da mTvare amogvdis, an mas – Cvenze, mokled, arc erTi ar vgiJdebiT erTmaneTze, magram TviTmmarTvelobebis organoebSi, jamSi, gaxarias da enm-is warmomadgenlebi `qarTul ocnebaze~ gacilebiT meti varT. aqedan gamomdinare Cans, rom SesaZlebelia opoziciuri umravlesobis formireba. amomrCevlis dakveTaa, uari vuTxraT ivaniSvilis mTavrobas, amitom opozicionerebma gverdiT unda gadadon piradi damokidebulebebi. kargia, rom gaxariac acnobierebs amas da ramdenime municipalitetSi Sedga TanamSromloba. imedia, baTumSic ase iqneba.
– ra problemebis winaSea am etapze baTumi?
– is socialuri foni, rac dRes baTumSia, mxolod municipalitetis araefeqturi muSaobis brali ar aris, qveynis mmarTvelobis negatiuri gamoZaxilia. Tumca, amis miRma, baTums gaaCnia uamravi SesaZlebloba, romlis gaxsnac Cvens qalaqelebs ukeTesad acxovrebs. vgulisxmob mSeneblobebs gonio-kvariaTis mimarTulebiT, turizmSi didi investiciebis Cadebas, axali turistuli kerebis aRmoCena-damuSavebas . . . rac meti adamianis dasaqmebis saSualebas mogvcems. amis nacvlad ki rac gvaqvs, isic gauaresebisken midis. is, rom baTumSi gareganaTeba gamorTulia da qalaqis gzebi naomars hgavs, kidev ufro amcirebs misi ganviTarebis da keTilmowyobis Sanss. samuSao bevria, magram korufciaSia CarTuli mTavroba, fuls akeTebs unebarTvo mSeneblobebSi, riTac isev da isev, baTumis iersaxe zaraldeba. mivdivarT, vTxovT sakrebulos sxdomis Catarebas, magram qalaqis meri policiis badrags gvaxvedrebs da SenobaSic ar gviSvebs. ucnauria, magram faqtia, rom saxelisuflebo partia sakuTar qalaqs boikots ucxadebs.
