,,მორალის საკითხია – პარლამენტში დაბრუნდეს უსამართლოდ გამოშვებული ბადრი ჯაფარიძე”
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parlamentar badri jafariZisTvis mandatis Sewyvetasa da misi kandidaturis rusTavis samaJoritaro olqSi wardgenaze, Sualedur arCevnebze, baTumis sakrebuloze, mmarTveli gundis poziciasa da ukraina-ruseTis omze saubrobs `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ politsabWos da baTumis sakrebulos wevri irakli kupraZe.
– ra problemebi Seeqmna `lelos~ badri jafariZis parlamentidan garicxviT?
– badri jafariZis parlamentidan wamosvla `qarTuli ocnebis~ gadawyvetilebiT moxda, rac politikuri devnis realuri gagrZelebaa ramdenime mizeziT. erT-erTi isaa, rom Tavad sasamarTlom brali arasamarTlebrivi normebiT wauyena. Tavidan saubari iyo or mimarTulebaze, erTi iyo fulis gaTeTreba, meore – TaRliToba. fulis gaTeTrebis braldeba, ubralod, ar dadasturda, mowmeebic acxadebdnen, rom msgavsi araferi yofila, am danaSaulis minimaluri niSnebic ki. rac Seexeba TaRliTobis muxls, Tavad prokuraturasac ar hqonia sarCeli, radgan es saqme xandazmulia, arada, swored am braldebiT scno badri damnaSaved pirveli instanciis sasamarTlom.
– anu TaRliTobis danaSauli xandazmulia?
– diax, arcki SeiZleboda bralis wayeneba, magram pirveli instanciis sasamarTlom damnaSaved scno. aqedan gamomdinare, jafariZes nasamarTleobac ar ufiqsirdeba. politikuri gadawyvetilebis mizani martivi iyo – SeewyvitaT misTvis parlamentaris uflebamosileba. ramdenime TviT adre, `qarTulma ocnebam~ miiRo axali kanonproeqti, romlis mixedviTac, politikuri partia, romelsac hyavs saqarTvelos parlamentSi warmomadgenloba, Tu misi naxevari an naxevarze meti, nebsiT Tu uneblieT datovebs parlaments, ekargeba partiuli dafinanseba, ufaso sareklamo dro da saxelmwifos mier miniWebuli sxvadasxva benefiti, romelic yvela partias aqvs Tanabrad da Tanasworad. swored es iyo jafariZisTvis mandatis CamorTmevis mTavari mizezi – parlamentSi oTxi wevriT warmodgenili partiisTvis jer reputaciuli, Semdeg finansuri zianis miyeneba da sxva SeRavaTebis CamorTmeva. axla `lelos~ ori wevri darCa parlamentSi, rasac mosdevs fraqciis daSlis riskic. garda amisa, `qarTuli ocnebis~ am uCveulo Tavdasxmis sxva mizania Caxsnili saparlamento siebi, romlis aRdgenaze, jerjerobiT, `ocneba~ ar Tanxmdeba.
– principSi, opoziciac wunia gogosaviTaa, xan unda parlamentSi Sesvla da razmavs xalxs, Semdeg Seva da aRar unda, ibrZvis gareT gamosvlisTvis. . . Semdeg isev unda. . .
– diax, opoziciis gadawyvetilebebis Tanmimdevrobazec Cndeba kritikuli kiTxvebi, Tavad isurves siebis Caxsna da axla aRdgenas iTxoven. is aravis axsovs, rom Tavis droze opoziciam moiTxova ramdenime gadawyvetilebis kompleqti, rac savaldebulo iyo parlaments mieRo. erTi iyo siebis Caxsna da meore – mandatebis Sewyveta parlamentis opozicioneri deputatebisTvis. aqve aRvniSnav, rom es gancxadeba yvelam dawera. ra gaakeTa am dros `qarTulma ocnebam~? miiRo aseve subieqturi Sidapartiuli gadawyvetileba, rom Caexsna siebi, magram ar Sewyvita mandatebis uflebamosileba. am nabijma Secvala sakiTxebis Tanmimdevroba, maT Soris opoziciisTvisac. msgavsma gadawyvetilebam daaziana opozicia, magram Tavad mogebuli darCnen, rodesac mandatebi ar Seuwyvites. aqedan gamomdinare, siebis Caxsnaze saubari usamarTloa, pirvel rigSi, `ocnebis~ mxridan, romelic yovelTvis Wris da keravs ise, rogorc maT partiul dRis wesrigs aZlevs xels.
– igive badri jafariZes Seuwyvites mandati, magram daaregistrires rogorc deputatobis kandidati Sualedur arCevnebSi, saidanac, gamarjvebis SemTxvevaSi, isev parlaments daubrundeba.
– imis miuxedavad, rom mandati Seuwyvites, samarTlebrivad isev aqvs ufleba daregistrirdes parlamentis deputatobis kandidatad. am saxis registraciisTvis arsebobs ramdenime Semakavebeli garemoeba: saqarTveloSi cxovrebis cenzi, nasamarTleoba an pirobiTi msjavri. ra Tqma unda, zemoT xsenebuli `braldebis~ dadasturebis miuxedavad, badri jafariZes, aranairi msjavri an pirobiTi nasamarTleoba ar uCans. Sesabamisad, mas hqonda da aqvs parlamentarobis ufleba, iseve, rogorc kandidatad daregistrirebis.
– `girCis~ liderma iago xviCiam girCiaT: `jafariZem dro ar unda daxarjos `marSalis gegmaze~ da sxva ucnaur raRacebze, an `nacionaluri moZraobis~ ayolaze. xalxis daintereseba riTac SeiZleba, es aris usamarTlobis Cveneba.
– aq SemiZlia erTi ram vTqva – `marSalis gegma~ is programaa, romelic ara mxolod aCvenebda xalxs socialur-ekonomikur usamarTlobas, aramed sTavazobda misi mogvarebis da aRmofxvris gzebs.
– daakonkreteT, razea saubari?
– SemiZlia martivi magaliTebi mogiyvanoT, Tundac socialuri Semweobis miRebis, garevaWrobis Sesaxeb kanonproeqtebi, romelic gvaqvs da davaregistrireT kidevac. es niSnavs, rom Cven vamaxvilebT yuradRebas yvelaze daucveli Raribi mosaxleobis interesebze da meore – `marSalis gegma~ TiTqos ucnauri saxeli da forma darCa, magram realuri problemebis gadawyvetis gzebzea orientirebuli. iago xviaCias SeuZlia, mxolod usamarTloba aCvenos, magram Cven SegviZlia mosaxleobas mivuTiToT amaze da misi mogvarebis gzebic SevTavazoT. dokuments, raSic yvelaferi gawerili iqneba, `marSalis gegma~ daerqmeva Tu `vaSingtonis manifesti~, umniSvneloa. mTavaria, rom igi xalxze morgebuli, marTlac Zalian saintereso da kvalificiuri eqspertebis didxnian Sromaze damyarebuli dokumentia, romelsac momavalSi aucileblad gamoviyenebT.
– rusTavis Sualedur arCevnebSi `patriotTa aliansi~ monawileobas ar miiRebs, iseve rogorc `patriotTa erTiani fronti~. `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobac~ Tqven gverdiTaa. am ukanasknelTan TanamSromlobaSi zogierTi politikosi TqvenTvis sazianos xedavs.
– rusTavis samaJoritaro olqSi kenWisyra badri jafariZisTvis miyenebuli didi usamarTlo dartymisgan reabilitaciis erT-erT mniSvnelovan gzad iqca. ratom ar ayenebs am arCevnebSi didi Tu mcire partiebis umetesi nawili sakuTar kandidatebs? imitom, rom es moralis sakiTxia – parlamentSi daabrunon iqidan usamarTlod gamoSvebuli badri jafariZe, anu samarTlianobis aRsadgenad moiZebna yvelaze kargi gamosavali. es strategia airCia igive `girCma~, `strategia aRmaSenebelma~, `erTianma nacionalurma moZraobam~, `evropulma saqarTvelom~, `patriotTa aliansma~, partiam `saqarTvelosTvis~ da sxv. Tu ra mizezebi da motivacia aqvT, individualur partiul reJimSi calke ganxilvis Temaa, raSic me principulad ar Seval. anu moralis sakiTxia da `erTiani nacionaluri moZraoba~ ar iqneboda marTali, Tu am olqs ar daTmobda badri jafariZis sasargeblod.
– igive mocemuloba ikveTeba gonio-kvariaTis saarCevno olqSic. . .
– maTe futkaraZis sasargeblod kandidatze uaris Tqma, aqac moralis da Rirsebis sakiTxia, romelic ar exeba partiul konkurencias, rac unda `atana~ Tu autanloba hqondes erTmaneTSi opoziciur Tu saxelisufleblo partiebs. Sesabamisad, rodesac Rirsebaze vsaubrobT, es ar SeiZleba iyos CvenTvis damazianebeli, miT umetes, rodesac zneobis kategoriidan amovdivarT.
– jafariZis oponenti ukve cnobilia?
– jer ar dausaxelebiaT rusTavis saarCevno olqSi sxva maJoritarobis kandidati, magram vinc unda iyos, mZime pasuxismgeblobis aReba mouwevs, jer erTi imitom, rom araswor brZolaSi Sedis da meore – epaeqreba badri jafariZes, adamians, romelmac Tavis droze xeli moawera saqarTvelos damoukideblobis deklaracias, romelic ukve iyo parlamentis wevri. mas orjer Seuwyda mandati. pirvelad, ruseTis meSveobiT, 1991 wels saxelmwifo gadatrialebis Sedegad da dRes, SeiZleba iTqvas, isev rusulma xelma (xelisuflebis saxiT) Seuwyvita uflebamosileba, maSin iaraRiT da axla – pultebiT. es CvenTvis bevris mTqmelia, nebismieri, vinc unda iyos badri jafariZis konkurenti, moralurad, mxolod amitom unda iyos ganiaraRebuli.
– ruseTis Tema msoflioSi yvelaze aqtualuria. sanam mTavar sakiTxze gadavidodeT, iqneb saakaSvilis mier mowmed moxmobili baidenis sakiTxic ganvixiloT. rogorc man aRniSna, baidens 7 noemberi ruseTis mier hibridul omad mounaTlavs.
– msgavsi araferi yofila. 7 noembris darbevaze pasuxismgebloba unda daekisros yvela maSindel Tanamdebobis pirs, romelsac hqonda darbevis gadawyvetileba miRebuli. es ukve Semdgari faqtia. bevrma ukve ago pasuxi am danaSaulebebisTvis. samwuxaro realobaa, rom sasamarTlo sistema ar imsaxurebs ndobas sazogadoebis mxridan, rac iwvevs msgavsi viTarebis warmoqmnis SesaZleblobebs.
– ra situaciaa dRes baTumis sakrebuloSi?
– sakrebulo isev da isev, paralizebulia. wina interviuSi aRvniSne, rom es gagrZeldeba gonio-kvariaTis arCevnebamde da gamarTlda kidec. ukve naTelia, rom mmarTvelma gundma airCia daSineba-SantaJi-muqara-mosyidvis gzebi da manamde ar aamuSavebs sakrebulos, sanam sisxliT gamoTavisuflebuli olqis maJoritarad ar gaiyvans sakuTar kadrs. faqtia, rom isev es scenari aqvT maT arCeuli. sakrebulos bedi ki damokidebulia gonios, kvariaTis, angisis, adliis, aeroportis dasaxlebis da aRmaSeneblis nawilis amomrCevlebze, romelic, darwmunebuli var, Rirseuli iqneba.
– ras ityviT rusul agresiaze?
– es yvelaferi Tavidan hgavda 2008 wlis ruseT-saqarTvelos oms, romelic gadaizarda uzarmazar sabrZolo dapirispirebaSi. gansxvaveba isaa, rom ukraina aris Cvenze gacilebiT didi saxelmwifo, meti resursebiT da mosaxleobiT, romelmac SesZlo swori winaaRmdegobis gaweva rusuli agresiisTvis. amJamad vxedavT srulmasStabian intervencias ukrainis teritoriaze, ris gamoc, ruseTi gaxda samxedro danaSaulebiT savse, umZimesi adgili, romelsac saerTaSoriso sazogadoebam da mTelma civilizebulma samyarom pasuxi gasca Sesabamisi sanqciebiT, maT Soris, qonebis konfiskaciaze saubrobs didi britaneTi, apireben frenebis akrZalvas, `sviftis~ sistemidan gaTiSvas da sxva. yvelaferi erTad, sakmaod did dartymas miayenebs ruseTs da ukandaxevas aiZulebs. Tavis mxriv, ukraina Zalian mtkiced dgas da axerxebs mobilizebas imis miuxedavad, rom samxedro atributikis garda, mas fizikurad ar exmareba arc erTi qveyana.
– rogor SeafasebT saqarTvelos mTavrobis pozicias?
– amgvar pozicias vuwodeb simxdales. ra Tqma unda, qveynis usafrTxoebidan gamomdinare, mec veTanxmebi sifrTxilis gamoCenis aucileblobas, magram gancxadebebze uaris Tqma, prezidentis mier mowveuli riggareSe sxdomis CaSla CemTvis samarcxvino gadawyvetilebaa. ukrainaSi mimdinare omis Sedegi pirdapir gadawyvets saqarTvelos beds xval da zeg, kerZod, Tu rogor moiqceva ruseTi CvenTan mimarTebaSi. Sesabamisad, ukrainis gamarjveba gadamwyvetia saqarTvelos momavlisTvis. am etapze dumili niSnavs, rom xval saqarTvelo aRmoCndeba ruseTis Ceqmis qveS. moskovis gaRizianebis ar unda SegveSindes, radgan faqtia – ar muSaobs es pozicia. vxedavT, rom wlebis ganmavlobaSi adamianebis gataceba da mcocavi okupacia grZeldeba. gatacebuli adamianebi cxinvalis cixeSi mokles. aqedan gamomdinare, cxadia, rogorc ki dasWirdeba geopolitikuri miznebisTvis, ruseTi maSinve Semova saqarTveloSi, Tuki gakveTils ar mivcemT, rom qveynebis suverenitetis xelyofa umZimes finansur da moralur zians miayenebs saerTaSoriso asparezze.
– 2008 wels saqarTvelo marto aRmoCnda okupantebis pirispir. . .
– kievisgan gansxvavebiT, maSin, omis msvlelobisas, 10 qveynis (aqedan 4 – natos wevri) prezidentebi da premierebi imyofebodnen TbilisSi sagareo da Tavdacvis ministrebTan erTad. ukrainaSi msgavsi araferi yofila, piriqiT, saelCoebi gadaitanes jer lvovSi da Semdeg poloneTSi. 2008 wlis omSi gvqonda rogorc finansuri, ise samxedro da humanitaruli mxardaWera, aRarafers vambob grantebsa da sxva damxmare RonisZiebebze. amitom vacxadeb, vaRizianebT ki ara, vuwvebiT kidec ruseTs `qarTuli ocnebis~ gamo, magram aravin aris darwmunebuli, rom igive geopolitikuri miznebis gamo, meoTxe, mexuTe qveynis dasasjelad, intervenciaze ar wamova saqarTveloSi. amis prevenciis erTaderTi gza arsebobs – ruseTma cxviri waitexos sakuTar qmedebebze, risi Sansic dRes realurad arsebobs ukrainaSi.