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baTumis sakrebulo kvlav umoqmedodaa, rasac pozicia-opozicia erTmaneTs abralebs. erTi mxare Tvlis, rom saxelisuflebo gundi boikotis reJimSia, rasac ucnaurad da gaugebrad miiCnevs, `qarTuli ocneba~ ki acxadebs, rom Tavad opoziciis gamo ver Catarda sxdoma kanonier formatSi, radgan ver Sejerdnen Tavmjdomaris arCevasa da sxva sakiTxebze
ukve araerTxel aRvniSneT, rom sakrebuloSi ZalTa Tanafardoba 17/17-zea. opozicia Tavs dazaralebulad Tvlis da damnaSaved xelisuflebas asaxelebs. kerZod, acxadebs, rom daSineba-mosyidviT da zewoliT SeZles erTi wevris (gaxarias gundidan) damoukideblis statusiT gadabireba, xolo meore – nugzar futkaraZe ver moisyides, Tumca nerviulobis Sedegad gardaicvala. am etapze orive mxare emzadeba gonio-kvariaTis saarCevno olqSi Sualeduri arCevnebisTvis, romelic 2 aprils gaimarTeba. opozicia SeTanxmda erTian kandidatze da waradgina gardacvlili wevris Svili – maTe futkaraZe, adamiani, romelsac ar hqonia politikuri gamocdileba, magram mamis xsovnis gamo apirebs kardakar Semoiaros olqi da miiRos damajerebeli gamarjveba pirvelive turSi.
`qarTulma ocnebam~ kandidatad gamocdili, baTumsa da aWaraSi kargad cnobili aWaris jandacvis ministris pirveli moadgile ramaz jinWaraZe daasaxela. erTi SexedviT, uTanasworo brZola gaimarTeba. opozicia Tvlis, rom erTxel ukve moiges es olqi, axlac ar gauWirdebaT da baTumis sakrebulo opoziciuri gaxdeba, iseve, rogorc iyo Tavidanve, rodesac xmebis raodenoba 19/17-ze gaxldaT opoziciuri partiebis sasargeblod. winasaarCevno kampania ZalaSi Sevida.
ras fiqrobs am Temaze baTumis municipalitetis sakrebulos fraqcia `qarTuli ocneba – demokratiuli saqarTvelos~ Tavmjdomare Tengiz afxazava. rogor afasebs ruseT-ukrainis oms, premier-ministris gadawyvetilebebs da ekonomikur riskebs saqarTvelosTvis, amas interviudan gaigebT.
– batono Tengiz, isev ar funqcionirebs baTumis sakrebulo. ras ityviT amis Sesaxeb?
– me araerTxel ganvacxade mediis saSualebiT, rom am sakiTxis gadawyvetis ramdenime gza arsebobs. erT-erTia gonio-kvariaTis samaJoritaro olqSi Sualeduri arCevnebis Catareba, romelmac unda gadawyvitos baTumis sakrebuloSi umravlesobis sakiTxi, rac sakrebulos Sesabamisi dakompleqtebis saSualebas mogvcems.
– sxva gza ra iyo?
– sxva gzebma ar gaamarTla, destruqciuli opoziciis `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ da misi sateliti partiebis qmedebebis gamo, verafriT mivaRwieT SeTanxmebas. rogorc xedavT, isev arCevnebs velodebiT, radgan me-4 samaJoritaro olqis mosaxleobis arCevani mogvcems realur Sedegs. iseve rogorc opoziciam, Cvenc gadavwyviteT, sxdomebs Tavi davaneboT da arCevnebisTvis mzadeba gavaaqtiuroT. `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ garda, sxvebs jer ar hyavT warmodgenili kandidatebi, imis miuxedavad, rom arCevnebamde erTi TviT adre unda warmoedginaT. jer araferi ismis, vnaxoT, ramdenime dReSi cnobili gaxdeba `qarTuli ocnebis~ da `nacionaluri moZraobis~ garda, kidev romeli partia gadawyvets sakuTari kandidatis daregistrirebas.
– aRaravisTvisaa saidumlo, rom arc erTi opoziciuri partia aRar wamoayenebs sakuTar kandidats, radgan es arCevnebi `Rirsebis saqmed~ miiCnies da mxolod gardacvlili nugzar futkaraZis Svils, maTe futkaraZes dauWeren mxars.
– gardacvlili adamianiT manipulireba `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ ucvleli xelweraa. amaSia ubedureba. samwuxarod, isini iyeneben nebismier SemTxvevas, oRondac gaitanon sakuTari interesebi da negatiuri movlenebi axsnan Cveni monawileobiT. yvelam icis, rasac warmoadgenen – mkvlelebis da gamaupatiureblebis partiis wevrebi arian da rasac Tavad sCadiodnen uaxloes warsulSi, axla aqeT gvabraleben. pirdapir getyviT, saSineleba trialebs Cven irgvliv, populizmze, adamianTa mwuxarebaze, tragediaze moTamaSe politikuri Zala gvyavs Casafrebuli, romlisganac yvelafers unda velodoT.
– Tqven ras akeTebT am Zalis SesaCereblad?
– Cven vakeTebT saqmes, aRar vaqcevT yuradRebas maT uZvlo gamosvlebs. faqtebiT rom ver laparakoben, emociebze ageben winasaarCevno kampanias. rogor ar ukvirdebian, rom ar SeiZleba adamianis yvelaze saTuTi grZnobebiT TamaSi. amitomac SearCies axalgazrda, politikaSi gamoucdeli adamiani, romelic gamoiyenes sakuTari binZuri zraxvebis asasruleblad.
– Tqven fiqrobT, rom maTe futkaraZe ver akmayofilebs baTumis municipalitetis sakrebulos moTxovnebs?
– me es ar miTqvams, piriqiT, mxolod sikeTes vusurveb am axalgazrda adamians, magram modiT, isic vTqvaT, vin sWirdeba am etapze baTumis sakrebulos? sWirdeba gamocdili, ganaTlebuli, profesionali adamianebi, romlebic qalaqis sasikeTod konkretul sakiTxs Seiswavlian, gaaanalizeben, gadawyvetilebas miiReben da amisTvis Sesaferisi kompetencia da unari gaaCniaT.
– Tqven TvliT, rom ramaz jinWaraZe swored aseTi profesionalia?
– me ki ara, amas mTeli aWara Tvlis, radgan jandacvis ministris pirveli moadgile socialur sakiTxebSi, aTwleulis ganmavlobaSi aregulirebda yvelaze rTul, Sromatevad da erTi SexedviT Seusrulebel amocanebs. misi uSualo monawileobiT uamravi socialuri proeqtia ganxorcielebuli, maT Soris, aSenda socialuri saxlebi, korpusebi mewyriT dazaralebulTaTvis, ekomigrantebisTvis, afxazeTidan devnilebisTvis. am proeqtebiT gaica Tanxebi usaxlkarod darCenilTaTvis saxlebis sayidlad. bolos aRvniSnav, rom ramaz jinWaraZem samTavrobo gundTan erTad, gadawyvita baTumis yvelaze mtkivneuli problema, vgulisxmob, `ocnebis qalaqs~ – amJamad am teritoriaze sacxovrebeli korpusebis mSenebloba mimdinareobs da ar Sewydeba manam, sanam am `qalaqis~ bolo mkvidri biniT ar dakmayofildeba. aqedan gamomdinare, kargad ician Tavad opoziciuri partiis warmomadgenlebmac, rom Cveni kandidati, romelmac avariuli saxlebis reabilitacia-mSeneblobisaTvis milionebi gamohyo, sWirdeba qalaqs. baTumi usafrTxo qalaqad unda iqces, amisTvis ki profesionali kadrebia saWiro, romlebic destruqciuli qmedebebis nacvlad, qalaqis mSeneblobas daiwyeben da mTel yuradRebas da biujetidan gamoyofil saxsrebs mizanmimarTulad gaxarjaven. axla politikuri kinklaobis droa aRaraa, saqme unda vakeToT da sakrebulom swori funqcionireba ganagrZos Cveni, umravlesobis xelmZRvanelobiT. yvelaferi es imitom vTqvi, rom xazi gamesva, ramdenad Rirseuli kandidati warvadgineT am samaJoritaro olqSi. Tqven ver naxavT masze augis mTqmels opoziciur speqtrSic ki. `erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ wevrebic amboben, rom ramaz jinWaraZe araCveulebrivi adamiania, romlisTvisac mTavari yovelTvis iyo adamianebze zrunva, rasac akeTebda wlebis ganmavlobaSi da didi avtoritetic moipova. amis gaTvaliswinebiT, darwmunebuli var, aucileblad movigebT am arCevnebs, davakompleqtebT qalaq baTumis sakrebulos, romelic Cveul reJimSi daiwyebs funqcionirebas mosaxleobis sakeTildReod.
– opozicia acxadebs, rom boikots ucxadebT sxdomebs, rac did ucnaurobad miaCniaT. isic aRniSnes, rom Tanaxma iyvnen qalaqisTvis sasicocxlo sakiTxebi ganexilaT sakrebulos Tavmjdomaris arCevis gareSec.
– am sakiTxebzec araerTxel gavakeTeT komentari. visaubreT maTi sadeputato mandatebis mflobeli partiebis warmomadgenlebTan, romlebic iyvnen fraqciaSi mosuli. mokled agixsniT, ra xdeba. arc erTi mxare gadawyvetilebas principulad ar Rebulobs da molaparakebaze ar modis. gamodis, Tu sakrebulos sxdomas moviwvevT, iq ver vimsjelebT verc erT sakiTxze manam, sanam ar iqneba arCeuli sakrebulos Tavmjdomare. garda amisa, Zalian mniSvnelovania komisiebSi kvotirebis sakiTxi, anu partiebis warmomadgenloba raodenobrivad rogor iqneba gansazRvruli. amasac kanoni aregulirebs, magram msjelobis sagania. igive, komisiebis Tavmjdomareebis sakiTxic gansaxilvelia, risTvisac aucilebelia winswrebiT iyos SeTanxmebuli sakiTxebi, mxolod am SemTxvevaSi aqvs azri sxdomis mowvevasac da Catarebasac.
– isini amboben, rom am yvelafrisTvis mzad arian.
– SevTavazeT pirvel sxdomaze Tavmjdomares Cveni kandidati, anu mzad viyaviT, magram `isini~ ver SeTanxmdnen SigniT, verc fraqciis, verc sakrebulos Tavmjdomareebis kandidaturebze.
– erTian kandidatze xom iyvnen SeTanxmebuli?
– maqvs informacia, rom msgavsi araferi yofila da realurad ver SeTanxmebulan SuRlis, Sida dapirispirebebis gamo. dainaxavT, yvelaferi male gamomzeurdeba, meti lustrireba iqneba da kidev ufro gaxmaurdeba farTo sazogadoebaSi. imedi maqvs, opoziciaSi aris ramdenime gonieri adamiani, visac uyvars es qalaqi da rodesac sakrebulos formirebas daviwyebT, baTumisTvis sasikeTo gadawyvetilebas miiRebs.
– rogorc ekonomisti, rogor SeafasebT evropis sanqciebis qmediTunarianobas, anu SeaSinebs Tu ara akrZalvebi ruseTs?
– rigi sanqciebi, evropam rom daawesa, rasakvirvelia, zians miayenebs ruseTs, magram calmxrivad ar SeiZleba am sakiTxis ganxilva. saqme isaa, rom ekonomikur nawilSi aris uamravi msxvili investori, ucxouri kompania . . . putinma mzadyofnaSi moiyvana Tavdacvis birTvuli sistemis potenciali da ra dauSlis, erT dRes gamoacxados nacionalizacia? qarTvelebs kargi gamoTqma gvaqvs, `Wkua dauSlis Tu Tanamdeboba?~ aqedan gamomdinare, erTi mxaris zarali ar iqneba. ra Tqma unda, ruseTi metad dazaraldeba, magram arc sxvebs daadgebaT kargi dRe. Tanac, rac ufro gaxangrZlivdeba omi, miT ufro dazaraldeba saqarTvelo. ruseTic da ukrainac Cveni seriozuli partniorebi arian. bevri dasaxelebis produqcia Semodis. importi xorcieldeba rogorc erTi, ise meore qveynidan. garda amisa, sviftis sistemidan gaTiSva warmoqmnis problemebs im qarTuli ojaxebisTvis, romlebsac aq, adgilze, ruseTSi wasuli adamianebi inaxaven. arc is unda dagvaviwydes, rom 800 aTasi qarTveli cxovrobs ruseTSi. aris is sakiTxebi, romelsac kargad gaazreba, dafiqreba sWirdeba. magram Tu es dasavluri samyaros erTiani gadawyvetileba iqneba da strategiuli partniorebis mxridan aucilebel pirobad Camoyalibdeba, cxadia, saqarTvelo am xazs uyoymanod SeuerTdeba, iseve, rogorc evrosabWos im rezoluciebs, ruseTis winaaRmdeg rom miiRo.
– premieris gadawyvetilebas opozicia mkacrad akritikebs.
– saqarTvelo ruseTis winaaRmdeg sanqciebs ar SemoiRebs, radgan amiT qveynis mosaxleoba dazaraldeba, Cven dRes gvyavs mTavroba da premieri, romelic mxolod qveynis erovnuli interesebidan gamodis da Cvenc misi gundi, mxars vuWerT yvela mis gadawyvetilebas.
– mosaxleoba panikaSia – sursaTis gaZvirebas da produqtebis deficits winaswarmetyveleben.
– am mxriv, raime prognozis gakeTeba Zalian rTulia. yvelaferi imaze iqneba damokidebuli, ramdeni xani gagrZeldeba saomari moqmedebebi, rogor ganviTardeba molaparakebebi da ras gadawyvets mTavroba. darwmunebuli var, rom aranairi problema am kuTxiT ar warmoiqmneba. aqve minda aRvniSno, rom saqarTvelos mTavrobam ukrainaSi humanitaruli tvirTi gagzavna, romelic pirveladi samedicino daxmarebis sagnebs, 30-ze meti dasaxelebis medikaments, Jangbadis koncentratorebs da humanitaruli daxmarebis sxva sagnebs moicavs. vexmarebiT aq CarCenil turistebs, ufasod ganvaTavseT sastumroebSi, uzrunvelvyaviT sakvebiT da aucilebeli nivTebiT. amiT imis Tqma minda, rom xelisufleba mxarSi udgas ukrainas da yovelTvis daicavs demokratiis da dasavluri kursis interesebs.
