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jer isev mogvdevs sabWouri warsuli, romelic gulisxmobs saerTo mentalitets, cxovrebis wess, ganaTlebas, medicinas, saojaxo nivTebsac ki. ramdenjer SegviniSnavs yofili moZme respublikebis filmebSi igive aveji, naTura, larnaki Tu servizi, romelic Cvenc gvaqvs. lamis saukunovani erTad yofna ase iolad ar bardeba warsuls, miT umetes, rom Cven Soris isev Sromoben da iRvwian qarTvelebi, romlebic ruseTSi cxovrobdnen, ukrainaSi ki ganaTlebas Rebulobdnen. bevr Cvengans hyavs rusi Tu ukraineli winapari, anu naTesauri kavSirebi jerac ar Caxsnila, rac kidev ufro rTuli situaciis winaSe gvayenebs am sisxlismRvreli omis mimdinareobisas.
gTavazobT intervius yofil parlamentarTan, anesTeziolog-reanimatologTan, profesor ilia nakaSiZesTan, romelic mWidro kavSirSi imyofeboda orive erTan da dRes uWirs im agresiis miReba, romelic gamoamJRavna ruseTma aseve slavebis – ukraineli xalxis mimarT.
– ra damokidebuleba gaqvT ruseT-ukrainis omTan?
– cnobisTvis: davibade CrdiloeT yazaxeTSi, vcxovrobdi ruseTSi, xolo profesiuli ganaTleba miviRe ukrainaSi. iq vswavlobdi 11 wlis ganmavlobaSi da Semdeg davubrundi samSoblos – saqarTvelos, anu var am qveynebis kulturis erTgvari akumulatori. aqedan gamomdinare, albaT ar CamiTvliT mikerZoebaSi, magram rac xdeba ukrainaSi, CemTvis gansakuTrebiT mtkivneulia. ar gadavaWarbeb Tu vityvi, rom TiTqmis tragediaa. iciT, yazaxeTSi ra problemebic iyo, ruseTTan savizo reJimi gvaqvs, ukrainaSi ki, sadac axalgazrdobis yvelaze nayofieri wlebi gavatare, axla sisxli iRvreba. vxedav, ra mdgomareobaSi imyofebian Cemi kolegebi da nacnob-megobrebi, romlebTanac axlac maqvs kavSirebi. es gansakuTrebuli gancdaa, Cemi ganvlili cxovrebis gansakuTrebuli nawili. ukrainis winaSe valdebulebas vgrZnob. iqaurma profesiulma ganaTlebam warmatebuli karieris gakeTebis saSualeba momca. me Sevdeqi rogorc eqimi, pirovneba da amaSi ukrainas udevs lomis wili. rac Seexeba am omis zogad Sefasebas, vityodi, rom namdvili tragediaa, msoflio aRar iqneba iseTi, rogoric iyo ori kviris win. omis procesebi gaamwvavebs bevr politikur problemas, magram am fonzec ki, unda SevecadoT, mSvidobiani gziT vataroT Cveni saqarTvelo. am mxriv udidesi gamocdileba gvaqvs da imedi maqvs, maSindeli mware gakveTilebis gaTvaliswinebiT, usafrTxod gamoviyvanT ers omis daundobeli procesebidan. kidev erT dartymas saqarTvelo veRar gauZlebs. unda movzomoT TiToeuli nabiji Cveni momavali TaobisTvis, Cveni bavSvebisTvis.
– Cven-evropa-omi. . .
– ra warsulic unda gvakavSirebdes ruseTTan, Cveni mentalitetiT da gagebiT evropuli qveyana varT. qarTveli axalgazrdoba siamovnebiT miemgzavreba evropaSi ganaTlebis misaRebad da Zalian kargad eTviseba evropul moTxovnebs. igive turizmis mxriv, qarTvelebisTvis upriania evropuli marSrutebis arCeva da iq dasveneba. is, rac dRes xdeba, albaT im civi omis gagrZelebaa, romelic Tavis droze ver gadavlaxeT, raSic Cveni mentaliteticaa damnaSave. imis miuxedavad, rom situacia Zalian daZabuli da araerTazrovania, mainc vTvli, rom omi male dasruldeba, yvelaferi daileqeba, gaimarjvebs mSvidoba, demokratiuli urTierTobebi da msoflio ganviTarebis axal etaps Seudgeba, romelSic aRar eqnebaT adgili agresorebs da diqtatorebs. imas, rac dRes xdeba centralur evropaSi, sadac am wuTebSic ki iRupeba uamravi adamiani orive mxridan, ver gavamarTleb vercerTi kuTxiT. es yvelaferi Zalian amuxruWebs sazogadoebis ganviTarebas, tovebs naleqs ojaxebSi. xom xedavT, ramdenime aTasi adamiania ganadgurebuli, ramdeni ltolvilad iqca. amJamindeli monacemebiT maTma ricxvma milion 700 aTass gadaaWarba. emisiaa emigrantebis ukrainidan. maT Soris bevria bavSvi, sruliad axalgazrda adamiani… riT iwyeben sakuTar cxovrebas, rogor pirvel nabijebs dgamen cxovrebaSi, yvela vxedavT. isini gaurbian sikvdils, dabombvas, SimSils, sicives, nangrevebSi aRmoCenas da cocxlad Camarxvas. omi saSinelebaa, gansakuTrebiT, sruliad udanaSaulo, mSvidobiani mosaxleobisTvis. mSvidobaze ukeTesi araferia. kargad iciT, ramdeni aTwleuli dagvWirda meore msoflio omis Sedegebis, iqidan momdinare barierebis gadasalaxad, rom normalurad agvewyo urTierToba, igive germaniasTan, evropis sxva qveynebTan… am gadasaxedidan kargad Cans, ra gamowvevebis winaSe gvayenebs omi. xom SeiZleboda, rom milionobiT daRupul im adamians ecocxla, sakuTari qveynisTvis eSroma da ojaxebi Seeqmna, dRes xom sul sxva viTareba gveqneboda?
– natoSi Sesvlis survilis gamo daartya ruseTma ukrainas. rogor fiqrobT, zelenski gabedavda am omSi Sesvlas, rom ar hqonoda dasavleTis mtkice imedi?
– rTulia saubari imaze, rac did politikas Seexeba. dRes faqtis winaSe vdgavarT – saomari moqmedebebi mimdinareobs ukrainaSi, uamravi ltolvilia. zust pasuxs ver gagcemT, radgan nebismier movlenas ori mxare aqvs: aris ruseTi, aris ukraina. absoluturad geTanxmebiT, Cndeba kiTxvebi – vin waaqeza, vin dauWira mxari, vin xelmZRvanelobda piradi interesebiT. SeuZlebelia axla amaze pasuxis gacema. rom ar momxdariyo omi, ra Tqma unda, jobda im pirobebis gadawyveta sul sxva ganzomilebaSi, romelsac ukrainas uyenebdnen. molaparakebebi ufro maRal doneze unda warmarTuliyo: saerTaSoriso organizaciebis, misiebis da kavSirebis. . . maSin ar dadgeboda sisxlisRvris aucilebloba arcerTi mxridan. unda daecvaT yvela mxaris interesebi – ruseTis, evropis, pirvel yovlisa ki suverenuli qveynis – ukrainis. zelenski axalgazrdaa, didi politikosi arc arasodes yofila, Tuki misi warsuliT vimsjelebT. arc imas gamovricxav, mis adgilas sxva rom yofiliyo, SesaZloa, omi Tavidan aecilebina. . . ar vici, axla rTulia am sakiTxze saubari. gavimeoreb: rac dRes xdeba, ar unda momxdariyo.
– did politikas patara adamianebi ewirebian. ramdenad gamarTlebulia sikvdili patriotuli SeZaxilebis fonze? arcerTi bavSvis nakawri ar Rirs aTasobiT heqtari miwisTvisac ki. am etapze zelenskis gadadgoma iqneba gamosavali?
– modiT, Tavad zelenskis sityvebiT gipasuxebT, ruseTs rom mimarTa: `ager varT, ar varT natoSi, xedavT natos pozicias. mzad varT visaubroT arablokur ukrainaze, axal platformaze~. . . es sityvebi zelenskis erTi TviT adre rom eTqva, omi ar daiwyeboda.
– ruseTi ukve yirimis, donbasis da luganskis aRiarebas sTxovs ukrainas.
– rogorc TavSi aRvniSne, vekontaqtebi rusebsac, belarusebsac da ukrainelebsac. aqac bevri maTgani Camovida. yvela erTxmad ambobs, rom Tavis droze rom gaeTvalaT, axla amxela tragediis winaSe ar idgeboda kacobrioba. rom gvqonoda ori kviris win is gamocdileba, axla rac gvaqvs, sul sxvagvarad warvmarTavdiT molaparakebebs, ar gveyoleboda Caxocili axalgazrdebi, bavSvebi, gaubedurebuli, Werdakarguli da ucxoeTSi ltolvilad gadaxvewili xalxi, ar iqneboda dangreuli qalaqebi, infrastruqtura, ganadgurebuli fabrika-qarxnebi da sxva uZrav-moZravi qoneba. vis awyobs yvelaferi es? omi daasustebs ara mxolod ruseTsa da ukrainas, aramed yvela maT mezobels. xom xedavT, saqarTvelosac Seexo krizisi da aqac Seiqmna araordinaruli situacia.
– rusebis masobrivi nakadi moawyda saqarTvelos. . .
– saqarTvelos istoriulad aqvs ltolvilebis miRebis mware gamocdileba. meore msoflio omis dros aq xalxis didi nakadi iyo Camosuli. gadatanili gvaqvs SimSilobis periodic da minda giTxraT, rom saqarTvelo, gamomdinare misi mentalobidan, xasiaTidan, erovnuli principebidan, yovelTvis naxulobda gamosavals. darwmunebuli var, am SemTxvevaSic erovnul niWs mivmarTavT, xels gavuwodebT am xalxs da, saerTaSoriso avtoritetisTvis, arsebul situacias Cveni qveynis sasikeTodac gamoviyenebT. odiTgan stumarTmoyvareoba mogvdgams da omisgan ama Tu im gziT dazaralebul yvela adamians mivaqcevT saTanado yuradRebas, gavuwevT maqsimalur daxmarebas. darwmunebuli var, sadac unda wavides qarTveli, swored aq Camoyalibebuli imijiT isargeblebs.
– am adamianebis Semosvlaze Tanxmoba mTavrobam ganacxada. rogor SeafasebdiT RaribaSvilis kurss ruseT-ukrainasTan mimarTebaSi?
– irakli RaribaSvils, rogorc premiers, mSvidobiani gziT, Zalian kargad mihyavs qveyana da darwmunebuli var, aRniSnuli situacia arc premierze da arc Cvens xelisuflebazea damokidebuli. saqarTvelo aRmoCnda `didi TamaSis~ patara monawile da maqsimalurad unda gamoviyenoT Cveni codna da gamocdileba, rom rogorme Cveni xalxis sasikeTod waviyvanoT es viTareba.
– opozicia saTaveSi Caudga patriotulad ganwyobil axalgazrdebs da yvela formiT apelirebs mTavrobis gadayenebas da ukrainis omSi qarTvelebis Cabmas.
– rac Seexeba opoziciur speqtrs, pativs vcem maT azrs, pozicias, ideebs, gadawyvetilebebs. ar minda davuSva, rom isini Tundac raRac formiT ewinaaRmdegebian saqarTvelos mSvidobian momavals. darwmunebuli var, fiqroben qveynis Rirseul momavalze da mxolod da mxolod saqarTvelos keTildReoba awuxebT.
– omSi Cabmas saqarTvelosTvis keTildReobad miiCnevT?
– am SemTxvevaSi konstruqciul opoziciur speqtrze vsaubrobdi. rac Seexeba radikalur nawils, romelic mxolod sakuTari partiuli interesebidan gamodis, cxadia, ver vuwoneb im agresias, romliTac adrec gamoirCeodnen. axla ar aris dapirispirebebis dro, erTobaa saWiro. imeds vitoveb, rom msgavs faqtebsac Cveni sazogadoeba saTanadod Seafasebs.
– evrokavSirSi daCqarebuli wesiT ganacxadis Setanas riT axsniT?
– dResdReobiT am didi evropuli ojaxis asocirebuli wevri varT. yovelTvis gvindoda, jer kidev istoriulad, evropis wevri qveyana gavmxdariyaviT, rac Tanamedrove politikis wamyvani xazic iyo da risi winaaRmdegic sxva qveynebi arasodes yofilan. rac Seexeba ganacxadis Setanas, vfiqrob, kandidatad Cveni miReba cudi ar iqneba, magram is, rac Cveni gasakeTebelia – qveynis, mTavrobis, sazogadoebis, Cven unda gavakeToT. danarCens dro gvaCvenebs. mogexsenebaT, evrokavSirSi gawevrianebis procesi swrafad ar xdeba. is benefitebi, rac am wevrobam unda moitanos, Zalian waadgeba saqarTvelosa da mis moqalaqeebs.
– putinis reaqcias ar viTvaliswinebT?
– oficialur ruseTs protesti arasodes daufiqsirebia saqarTvelos evrokavSirSi Sesvlis Taobaze, yovelTvis natoze iyo aqcenti gakeTebuli.
– ratomRac yvelas hgonia, rom evrokavSiris wevroba TavisTavad gulisxmobs natoSi Sesvlasac, an samxedro agresiis SemTxvevaSi, mis daxmarebas. . .
– ara, evrokavSirSi arian qveynebi, romlebsac natosTan araferi akavSirebT. rac Seexeba am samxedro-politikuri blokis wevrobas, esec xangrZlivi perspeqtivaa. axla laparakia ara politikur Tu samxedro organizaciebSi CarTvaze, aramed ekonomikur ganviTarebaze, romlis xelSewyobac SeuZlia evrokavSirs.
– omis fonze ramdenad dasaSvebia saqarTveloSi ekonomikuri krizisis dawyeba?
– darwmunebuli var, Tu am konfliqtis generalizacia ar moxda, saqarTvelo SeZlebs mimdinare mSvidobiani politikiT gacilebiT meti avtoriteti moipovos saerTaSoriso masStabiT. SesaZloa, pirvel etapze raRac ekonomikuri problemebi Segveqmnas, magram SemdegSi piriqiT, mogebuli davrCebiT. metsac getyviT, Tvenaxevris win Zalian seriozuli ekonomikuri zrdaa dafiqsirebuli. Tu isev gavagrZelebT aRebul kurss da SevZlebT Cveni qveynis interesebidan gamomdinare, TavSekavebulad waviyvanoT politika, sul sxva perspeqtivebis winaSe aRmovCndebiT.
– vis egona, rom pandemia gaqreboda da omi daiwyeboda. . .
– pandemia ar gamqrala. janmos biuros monacemebiT, 2022 wlis gazafxulze pandemiis Sewyvetas elodnen, rasac oficialurad gamoacxadebdnen. am periods daemTxva omic da msoflios yuradReba gadatanilia aqeTken. Tumca kovidi isev rCeba, pandemia rCeba, magram rCeba imedic, rom gazafxulis bolos janmo oficialurad gamoacxadebs misi dasrulebis Sesaxeb.
– vaqcinacia isev gagrZeldeba?
– ra Tqma unda, koronaviruss Tavisi adgili aqvs, igi mutacias ganicdis, icvleba, magram rogorc gripis sawinaaRmdego acrebs vikeTebdiT periodulad, albaT koronavirusis acrebsac gavikeTebT. profilaqtikis erTaderTi utyuari gza isev da isev vaqcinaciaa.
