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albaT, ar arsebobs wignieri adamiani, vinc erTxel mainc ar yofila biblioTekaSi da raoden sasiamovnoa, roca iq ganaTlebuli, yuradRebiani, saTno profesionali dagxvdeba. am siTbosa da adamianebTan urTierTobas bevrad ufro didi mniSvneloba eniWeba, roca saqme mozard TaobasTan gaqvs.
dRes gazeTi `aWara~ warmogidgenT akaki wereTlis saxelobis baTumis sajaro biblioTekis sabavSvo axalgazrdobis ganyofilebis mTavar biblioTekar nana kvaWaZes, romelic sabiblioTeko saqmes, naxevar saukuneze metia, umwikvlod emsaxureba
guriis erT-erT ulamazes sofelSi, lanCxuTis raionis axalsofelSi daibada. rva klasis damTavrebis Semdeg, sufsis saSualo skolaSi ganagrZo swavla. sakmaod kargad swavlobda, ufro humanitaruli sagnebi izidavda – qarTuli, istoria. . . maTematika imdenad ar uyvarda, rom xSirad am sagnis maswavlebels sizmarSic naxulobda, mis gamocdaze `wvalobda~. baTumSi bedma Camoiyvana, Tumca manamde iyo Tbilisis ivane javaxiSvilis saxelobis universitetSi swavla istoriis fakultetze. dResac siamayiT ixsenebs, rom qarTulSi misi namuSevari mzeqala SaniZem gaaswora da `oTxiani~ miiRo. im wels didi konkursi iyo – 850 ganacxadi da dRis daswrebulze mxolod 25 studenti unda mieRoT. misi qulebiT dauswrebelze Cairicxa. pirveli kursi warmatebiT daxura da meoreze dRis daswrebulze gadmoiyvanes. swored meore kursze gaicno misi momavali meuRle, kargi baTumeli mixeil kvaWaZe, romelsac manamdec icnobda – igi mis sofelSi deidasTan Cadioda. meore kursi rom daxura, sofelSi Cavida da. . . dainiSna. Semodgomaze iqorwines kidec.
studentebma bina iqiraves, xels qalbatoni nanas ojaxi uwyobda. bavSvebi SeeZinaT. . . ambobs, rom Zalian exmareboda rZali – Zmis meuRle. pirveli gogona SeeZinaT – eka, momdevno iyo irakli.
nana kvaWaZe Zalian mokrZalebuli gogona iyo, roca dekanatSi raime dasWirdeboda, marto ver Sedioda da rZali mihyavda. erT dRes dekanis moadgile karlo meSveliani, romelic sagansac aswavlida, gabrazda da mkacrad hkiTxa: Tqven xarT Cemi studenti Tu Tqveni rZalio? aman Zalian imoqmeda, Tumca Sedegic gamoiRo – gaTamamda. SvilebTan erTad daamTavra swavla da baTumSi Camovida. mas Semdeg aq cxovrobs. biblioTekaris mTavari daniSnuleba, wignebis gacemis garda, RonisZiebebis Catarebaa, rasac nana umaRles doneze akeTebs. uaRresad ganaTlebulia, codnasTan erTad, gadacemis SesaniSnavi unari aqvs, riTac bavSvebs interess uRviZebs da biblioTekaSi izidavs. mSoblebic emadlierebian, patarebTan erTad modian da Tavadac siamovnebiT eswrebian mis metad saintereso da saWiro gakveTilebs.
– rogor aRmoCndiT biblioTekaSi?
– rom giTxraT, es Cemi didi survili iyo, mogatyuebT. diasaxlisoba ufro mitacebda, Svilebis gverdiT yofna mindoda. mamas ar undoda, umuSevari vyofiliyavi, ganicdida. gavige, rom biblioTekaSi adgili iyo. qalaqis sabWoSi (axlandel meriaSi) kulturis ganyofilebis ufrosTan, karg pirovnebasTan griSa SewirulTan davwere gancxadeba. mas Semdeg naxevari saukune gavida. Cemi ZiriTadi specialoba istorikosoba, maswavleblobaa, magram es profesia imdenad Semiyvarda, yvelafers Tavidan rom viwyebde, mainc biblioTekas avirCevdi da skolaSic aviRebdi saaTebs. biblioTeka da skola Cems cxovrebaSi erTad Semovida. cxovrebaSi naTeli dReebi swored skolam, moswavleebma da mSoblebma maCuqes.
– qalbatono nana, mec da bevrmac icis Tqveni didi tkivili, romelsac wlebia, guliT atarebT da romelzec saubars dRes Segnebulad avuvli gverds. . . ufalma daumkvidros naTeli iraklis. . . magram erTi minda vTqva, swored samsaxuri giamebT am dards. . .
– ra Tqma unda. im dRis Semdeg, romelmac Cemi cxovreba radikalurad Secvala, yvela saqmianobas, TiToeul RonisZiebas gulSi Cems Svils, mis xsovnas vukavSirebdi da vukavSireb. mZime wuTebi, dReebi, Tveebi Cemma megobrebma gadamatanines. erTi welic ar iyo gasuli, roca RonisZiebis momzadeba SemomTavazes. vici, es Cems gadasarCenad gaakeTes. Tavidan viuare, magram mere Tavs vuTxari, unda SeZlo, isev mis mosagoneblad. . . am tragediis Semdeg pirveli RonisZieba saTnoebis savaneSi Cavatare, raTa moxucebisTvis mimeniWebina sixaruli.
– iyo dro, roca biblioTekebsac daudga cudi periodi, bevri daxures, bevri adamiani darCa umuSevari, iseve, rogorc araerT sxva dawesebulebaSi. arada, biblioTeka metad saWiro dawesebulebaa. . .
– sabiblioTeko saqmianoba mravalferovani, rTuli da mravlis momcvelia. wignis mkiTxvelamde mitana did codnasa da Sromas moiTxovs. biblioTeka ara marto sxvas aZlevs codnas, Tavad biblioTekaric bevrs Rebulobs. xSirad miyvars akaki baqraZis wignis `sulis zrda~ moSvelieba. vTvli, rom Tu bilioTekari Tavis samsaxurs kargad gamoiyenebs, misi sulic amaRldeba. sanam RonisZiebas moamzadeb, amisTvis Tavadac unda moemzado, waikiTxo, SearCio bavSvebisTvis saWiro literatura. adamiani izrdeba ara marto am wignebiT, aramed bavSvebTan, mSoblebTan urTierTobiT. me Tavad muSaobis procesi miyvars, bavSvebs vuaxlovdebi. . . RonisZieba ki ufro saCvenebelia.
– romel RonisZiebas gaixsenebT?
– Zalian kargia, rom Cvens biblioTekaSi safuZveli Caeyara `sabiblioTeko gakveTilebs~. es Cveulebrivi gakveTilia, romelsac biblioTekari amzadebs da bavSvebs esaubreba romelime Temaze maTive CarTulobiT.
– rame gamorCeuli Tema Tu gaqvT?
– Zalian miyvars da veferebi saqarTvelos patriarqisadmi miZRvnil RonisZiebebs, romelsac 2018 wlidan dRemde vatareb. es aris religiuri Tema. bevr skolasTan vTanamSromlobT. minda gamovyo skola `nike~, romelsac Cems gadamrCenel skolas vuwodeb. madloba minda gadavuxado mis direqtors izo takiZes, mTel koleqtivs. skola didi tkivilis dros damidga gverdiT, aqtiurad iTanamSromla CemTan. skolamac daafasa Cemi Sroma da `skolis meWirnaxule~ miwoda, rac Zalian maxarebs. bevr skolas vemadlierebi, maT Soris, `gordas~ da mis direqtors nino murvaniZes. . . yvelas ver CamovTvli, aseTi bevria. erTic minda vTqva, baTumSi ar davbadebulvar, arc miswavlia. magram am qalaqSi damamkvidra biblioTekam, biblioTekarebma, skolebma da pedagogiurma koleqtivebma. . . . Zalian bevr adamians damaaxlova. axla rom siamovnebiT vagrZeleb Cems saqmes, swored maTi damsaxurebaa.
– Tqven didi xnis biblioTekari xarT da minda gkiTxoT: biblioTekaSi winaT ufro meti mkiTxveli modioda Tu axla?
– formacia Seicvala, axla sxva midgomebi, sxva cxovrebaa. Cveni sabavSvo biblioTekaa da am kuTxiT vityvi: Cveni mizania, bavSvebs gavuRvivoT wignis kiTxvis siyvaruli. mkiTxveli movizidoT, magram. . . mwerali lesingi ambobs, rom mkiTxveli ara marto erTi qveynis, msoflio problemaa. inglisis da afrikis magaliTze hqonda ganzogadebuli. afrikaSi undaT kiTxva, magram siRaribe maT swavla-ganaTlebis saSualebas ar aZlevs, skolebi ar aris, inglisis yvelaze elitaruli skolis magaliTze ki ambobs, rom iq SeZlebuli mSoblebis Svilebs yvelaferi aqvT, magram kiTxva ar ainteresebT. Tumca CvenTan mkiTxvelis naklebobas ar vuCiviT. dRes xuTi Tu eqvsi axali mkiTxveli miviRe. ori dedasTan erTad movida da TiToeuls 40-40 wuTi movandome, rom maTi Sexedulebebi, `kaprizebic~ momesmina, gamego, ufro ra ainteresebT, rom wasakiTxad saTanado literatura SemerCia. ra Tqma unda, marto warsuliT ver SemovifarglebiT, Tanamadrove mwerlebic unda waikiTxon bavSvebma, magaram aucileblad vavleb paralels Zvelsa da axal literaturas Soris. Tu ginda, rom gonebasa da suls wignma Rrma kvali daamCnios, vfiqrob, Zvel literaturaSi gonebisa da sulisTvis meti sazrdoa. Tanamedrove literaturas cota sxva mimarTuleba aqvs, magram bavSvma orive unda waikiTxos. sul veubnebi maT: bavSvebo, me biblioTekari var. me Cemsas SemogTavazebT, Tqven Tqveni miTxariT, SevjerdeT da ise SevarCioT. erTi ram maxarebs – dedebi gaaqtiurdnen. msiamovnebs SvilebTan maTi urTierToba.
– TqvenTan ra asakis bavSvebi modian?
– mesamedan mecxre klasis CaTvliT vemsaxurebiT, magram dRes erTma qalbatonma ori bavSvi moiyvana – meore sajaro skolis meoTxeklaseli kristi surmaniZe da misi xuTi wlis Zma luka, romelmac kiTxva icis (bebiam Seaswavla). bavSvebis ganaTlebulobam gamaoca.
– albaT, marto skolas da baRs ar unda `gadavabraloT~ yvelaferi, ojaxs didi roli ekisreba.
– Zalian didi – ojaxi, skola, biblioTeka. . . amdeni welia biblioTekari var da veravisgan gavige, rom biblioTekas didi roli ekisreba bavSvis aRzrdaSi. Cvilis da dedis urTierToba xom dabadebidan iwyeba – dedis rZe, dedis namReri `iavnana~. . . mas unda mohyves kiTxva. SesaZloa, bavSvi ver Cawvdes bolomde mis arss, magram dedis tkbili xma masze dadebiT gavlenas axdens. am dros metyveleba da smenac viTardeba. bavSvi xom sam wlamde ojaxSia. . . mqonda Tematur-bibliografiuli mimoxilva dedaSvilobaze. unda genaxaT, bavSvebi rogor usmendnen amonaridebs sxvadasxva wignidan. xSirad viwvev bavSvebs da erTi Sexvedris Semdeg kidev ufro siamovnebiT modian.
– RonisZiebebis Temebsac albaT, specialurad arCevT Tqveni auditoriisTvis, isini xom mozardebi arian?
– sanam gipasuxebdeT, minda giTxraT, rom RonisZiebisTvis gansakuTrebulad vemzadebi, radgan aucileblad yvela SekiTxvaze unda gqondes pasuxi, mec maTTan erTad viZen axal codnas. ZiriTadad, patriotul Temebs varCev, sarwmunoebaze vsaubrobT, rasac skola, samwuxarod, xSirad aRar exeba. Tumca arc evropas `gavurbivarT~. TaobaTa urTierTobazec gvqonda RonisZieba. wels gakveTilebi kidev ufro mravalferovani rom gamexada, bavSvebs warvudgine (skola `nikeSi~) sofia mogilevskaias wigni `violonCelo santa tereza~, romelSic bavSvi Tavisi musikosi mamis cxovrebas aRwers. Zalian kargi nawarmoebia. iq musikosebzea saubari, magram ufro ojaxis – mSoblebisa da Svilebis, sazogadoebasTan urTierTobaze gavamaxvile yuradReba. mqonda RonisZiebebi Temebze: `mimobneuli saflavebi~ (mameluqebis cxovrebaze), `evropa da saqarTvelo~ (did qarTvelebze, romlebic swavla-ganaTlebisTvis midiodnen ucxoeTSi, magram Semdeg samSobloSi brundebodnen, saqarTvelos asaRorZineblad), `giorgobis dResaswauli~, levan goTuas `serafiti~, saidanac bevri amonaridi wavikiTxe. vemzadebi dedaSvilobis Temis RonisZiebisTvis, aseve meqneba sabiblioTeko gakveTili `Sen xar venaxi~, qarTuli sulis saganZuri – `mravalJamieri~, dialogi – `madli da madliereba~. aucileblad unda vTqva, rom yvela wamowyebaSi gverdiT midganan biblioTekis gamge Tina centeraZe, Cemi kolegebi, isini bevrni arian da yvelas ver CamovTvli, minda axalgazrda biblioTekari warmogidginoT – JuJuna mamuWaZe, energiuli, yuradRebiani. . . yvela Tavis saqmes maRal doneze akeTebs. amitomac siamovnebiT modian CvenTan mozardebi, rac Zalian gvaxarebs. yvelas erTi mizani gvaqvs – momavali Taobis wigniereba da skolis daxmareba wignieri Taobis aRzrdaSi. CvenTan `sabiblioTeko gakveTilis~ garda, funqcionirebs `sazRapreTi~, romelic baRis asakis patarebzea gaTvlili. iqidan CemTan ukve kargad momzadebuli bavSvebi modian, `sazRapreTi~ erTgvari bazaa. mere Cemgan gadadian did darbazSi da ase uwyveti kavSiri gvaqvs erTmaneTTan. didi tkiviliT minda gavixseno Cveni usaTnoesi, inteleqtiT savse biblioTekari, Cemi didi megobari, mTeli cxovreba rom erTad movdiodiT, medea WaniSvili, romelic kovidma imsxverpla.
– teqnologiebi dRiTi dRe viTardeba. dadgeba iseTi dro, rom wigns es teqnologiebi Secvlis?
– Cemi neba rom iyos, Svid saocrebas kidev erTs mivumatebdi – biblioTekas, radgan am madls, rasac wigni hqvia, verasodes veraferi Seexeba da verc Seedreba. sul axal-axals igeb. wignis kiTxva sul sxva gancda da siamovnebaa.
– SviliSvilebs Tu uyvarT kiTxva?
– gansakuTrebiT gamoirCevian gega da mariami. SvilTaSvili irakli adre sabiblioTeko RonisZiebebSic monawileobda da aqtiuradac kiTxulobda. axla cotaTi sizarmace Seepara, rom davaZaleb, meubneba – ar miyvars Zalas rom mataneno, Tumca isic miTxra, rom am zafxuls bevr wigns waikiTxavs.
