“პუტინის რუსეთი – ცეცხლიანი მახვილით ცივილიზებული სამყაროს წინააღმდეგ”
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Tanamedrove msoflios istoriaSi axali dramatuli epoqa daiwyo Tavisi gamowvevebiT, risi magaliTicaa ukraina. am qveyanaSi itesteba msoflios geopolitikuri sistemis mdgradoba. ruseTma meore msoflio omis Semdeg pirvelad gaaCaRa farTomasStabiani omi evropis kontinentze, mizani – ukrainis satelit saxelmwifod gadaqcevaa, rasac es qveyanac ewinaaRmdegeba da garkveulwilad, dasavleTic, es ukve cxadze cxadia. omis peripetiebi amis TvalsaCino magaliTia, swored am da sxva mniSvnelovan sakiTxebze vesaubrebiT sajaro mmarTvelobis doqtors, saqarTvelos teqnikuri universitetis doqtorants, baTumis saxelmwifo universitetis leqtor giga fartenaZes.
– eqspertebi acxadeben, rom dRes, garkveulwilad, ukrainaSi wydeba msoflio Tu ara, evropis geopolitikuri sistemis mdgradoba . . .
– dideba ukrainas! bolo erTi Tvis ganmavlobaSi Zalian bevri azri movismineT, ufro meti sakuTari TvaliT vnaxeT, faqtebi ki metyvelebs, rom evropis geopolitikuri sistemis mdgradoba veRar iqneba iseTi, rogoric omis dawyebamde iyo. ruseTis SeWram ukrainis suverenul saxelmwifoSi dasavluri, civilizebuli sazogadoeba ise gaaerTiana, mgavsi solidaroba 2008, 2014 wlebSi rom enaxa ruseTs, dRes SeiZleba sxva realobaSi aRmovCeniliyaviT, ufro metic, omis Tavidan acilebis albaTobac didi iqneboda. dRes evropuli sazogadoeba mowodebebs rom akeTebs – unda daexmaron evrokavSiris arawevr ukrainas yvela SesaZlo (samxedro Tu humanitaruli) resursiT, swored imas miuTiTebs, rom mocemul geopolitikur arealSi stabilurobas, usafrTxoebasa da simSvides saSiSroeba emuqreba. dRes, ise rogorc arasdros, ukrainaSi wydeba, upirvelesad, evrokavSirisa da dasavleTis, samomavlo mSvidobisa da stabiluri ganviTarebis sakiTxebi.
– ruseTi rom araprognozirebadi qveyanaa, cnobili faqtia. ramdenad eloda dasavleTi mis farTomasStabian agresias ukrainis winaaRmdeg da ra cxadyo TiTqmis erTTvianma omma samxedro, politikuri da ekonomikuri TvalsazrisiT?
– modiT, pirdapir vTqvaT: ruseTi ar eloda ukrainis mxridan aseT Rirseul, saerTo-erovnulsa da mamacur winaaRmdegobas da arc aseT sayovelTao Tanadgomas msoflios wamyvani qvyenebisgan, romlebmac uari Tqves ekonomikuri sikeTeebis miRebaze da umkacresi sanqciebi dauweses ruseTs, rac precedentuladac SegviZlia SevafasoT. ruseTis taqtika cxadze ucxadesia: mas hgonia, Tu gauvida 2008 wels saqarTvelosa da 2014 wels yirimSi SeWra da teritoriebis mitaceba, 2022 welsac gauva – ukrainaSi. samwuxaroa, rom uaxlesi istoria ruseTis agresiasa da dasavleTis reaqciis araproporciulobis metismetad bevr faqts itevs, Tumca Tu gvinda, boroteba dasruldes, es swored didi da wamyvani saxelmwifoebis aqtiuri ZalisxmeviT aris SesaZlebeli, rac gamoixateba: ekonomikuri sanqciebis dawesebiT, raTa, sul mcire, sagrZnobi diskomforti Seeqmnas ruseTs politikuri dRis wesrigidan misi – rogorc saxelmwifos CamoSorebiT (sxvadasxva saerTaSoriso organizaciidan ruseTis garicxva); samxedro komponentiT, rac gulisxmobs, erTi mxriv, ukrainis brZolisunarianobis SenarCuneba-ganviTarebas da, meore mxriv, ruseTis samxedro SenaerTebis dasustebas iseTi Tanamedrove samxedro teqnologiebis gamoyenebiT, romlebsac flobs aSS, didi britaneTi da TurqeTi.
– vxedavT, rom TiTqmis mTeli msoflio gmobs ruseTis agresias ukrainis mimarT, dauwesda ekonomikuri sanqciebi. ramdenad mwvave dartymaa es ruseTisTvis?
– xSirad vismenT, rom sanqciebi ar aris sakmarisi ruseTis SesaCereblad, Tumca unda SevTanxmdeT, rom es ar aris erTaderTi gza, Tundac iaraRi ruseTis SesaCereblad. qronologias Tu mivyvebiT, davinaxavT, rom pirveli nabiji, rac dasavleTma omis dawyebis Semdeg gadadga, ekonomikuri sanqciebi iyo. faqtobrivad, omis dawebidan yovel axal dRes aSS-is prezidenti sanqciebs afarToebs da wertilovan dartymebs ayenebs ruseTis ekonomikas. garda amisa, vxedavT samxedro (sabrZolo iaraRis) daxmarebis precedentebsac, rac wina SemTxvevebSi ar momxdara. dawesebul sanqciebTan dakavSirebiT Sedegs dResve ar unda velodoT – efeqti grZelvadian perspeqtivaSi eqneba.
– ramdenad eloda ruseTis elita am masStabis ekonomikur sanqciebs da ukrainis mxardaWeras dasavleTis mxridan?
– omis dawyebamde medvedevis gancxadebas SegaxsenebT, rom ukrainaSi SeWris SemTxvevaSi ruseTma icis, ra sanqciebs daakisrebs mas dasavleTi da amisTvis mzadyofnas gamoTqvamdnen, Tumca aRmoCnda, rom ase araa, radgan 2008 wels – saqarTveloSi, 2014 wels – yirimSi ruseTis agresiis sapasuxod gatarebuli sanqciebi zRvaSi wveTi iyo imasTan, rasac dRes putinis politika imkis. ufro metic, ruseTis elita – oligarqebi, televiziis wamyvanebi, momRerlebi . . . verc ki warmoidgendnen, rom maT es sanqciebi SeexebodaT, Tumca aqac mwared Secdnen. dRes putinis ruseTi mTeli civilizebuli samyaros winaaRmdeg cecxliani maxviliT dgas, romelsac Tavisi nebasurviliT atrialebs. droa, am borotebas pasuxi gaeces da wertili daesvas.
– alaparakdnen ruseTis danaSaulebebze ukrainaSi. aSS-is prezidentma baidenma putins samxedro damnaSave uwoda. es risi maniSnebelia?
– diax, dRes putinis ruseTi aris ucxo qveynis teritoriaze SeWris da konfliqtis gamRvivebeli, yvela im borotebisa da antihumanuri qmedebebis iniciatori, rac xdeba ukrainis teritoriaze . . . diax, dRes putinis ruseTi aris agresori da sxva qveynis suverenitetis damrRvevi . . . am yvelafers iuridiulad gaformeba esaWiroeba, rasac, darwmunebuli var, haagis sisxlis samarTlis saerTaSoriso sasamarTloSi aucileblad movismenT.
– ukrainam ruseTis winaaRmdeg sarCeli haagis saerTaSoriso sasamarTloSi Seitana, manamde ki am sasamarTlom qarTuli mxare praqtikulad gaamarTla 2008 wlis omis sakiTxSi, ras fiqrobT?
– yvelas kargad gvaxsovs 2008 wlis agvistos omis dros ruseTis mxridan Cveni qveynis intervenciis Sedegad 126 aTasi iZulebiT gadaadgilebuli piri, 224 daRupuli (samxedro danakargis gareSe), 2 aTas 300-mde daWrili an daSavebuli adamiani. Semdeg iyo saqarTvelos gamarjveba haagis saerTaSoriso sasamarTloSi, sadac ruseTi damnaSaved cnes. aRsrulebis nawilze SegviZlia vidavoT, Tumca msgavsi gadawyvetilebebi udidesi gamarjvebaa CvenisTana qveynisaTvis. rac Seexeba ukrainas, darwmunebuli var, aqac samarTali izeimebs da saqarTvelo ukarianasTan da civilizebul samyarosTan erTad darCeba istoriis marTal mxares.
– amas winaT Tqvens postSi putini hitlers SeadareT. msgavsi Sefasebebi ukve ismis saerTaSoriso masmediaSic . . .
– ukrainaSi ruseTis pirdapiri agresiis Semdeg, mediasa Tu socialur qselebSi xSirad vxvdvebiT Z asos, romelsac ruseTi iyenebs Tavisi samxedro Zalebis simbolod. Z – tankebze, javSanteqnikaze, gulmkerdze . . . mainc, ratom airCia putinma Z simbolod? sanam amas vupasuxebdeT, meore kiTxva davsvaT – ratom airCia hitlerma svastika simbolod? istoriulad viciT, rom sanskritze svastikas `futkrebis armia~ hqvia. swored am dros germanelma nacionalistebma daiwyes svastikis gamoyeneba rogorc simbolosi, romelsac hqonda arianuli/induri warmomavloba. amiT germanelebs undodaT, warmoedginaT da wina planze wamoewiaT germanul/arianuli warmomavloba da, Sesabamisad, eris gansakuTrebuli daniSnuleba . . . nacisturi droSidan gamomdinare, sul male svastika gadaiqca siZulvilis, antisemitizmis, Zaladobisa da sikvdilis simbolod. putinis yoveli sajaro gamosvla iwyeba da sruldeba ruseTis saxelmwifosa da eris gansakuTrebulobis xazgasmiT, ufro metic – rusi `selebriwebi~ imasac ki aZaxeben msoflios, rom antarqtida da koronavirusis vaqcinac maTi aRmoCenilia . . . davubrundeT pirvel kiTxvas. pasuxi aqvea: simbolo aris? aris – Z; idea `gansakuTrebulobis~ Sesaxeb emTxveva? diax, emTxveva; mmarTvelobis stili – identuri.…
– vxedavT, rom dasavleTi SeZlebisdagvarad exmareba ukrainas, Tumca nato iq SeiaraRebuli Zalebis gagzavnas ar apirebs da arc ukrainis cas ketavs . . .
– aRniSnul sakiTxze bevri spekulacia movismineT. moraluri da adamianuri TvalsazrisiT es, ra Tqma unda, gaumarTlebelia, xolo politikur da samarTlebriv WrilSi Tu SevxedavT, dasavleTs ar gaaCnia mocemuli sakiTxis implementirebis procesis dawyebis safuZveli.
– eqspertebi acxadeben, rom Tu sanqciebi, minimum, ramdenime Tve gagrZeldeba, ruseTi katastrofis winaSe dadgeba . . .
– warmoidgineT, bolo 10 wlis ganmavlobaSi akeTebdiT danazogs da uceb mis Sesavsebad gankuTvnili gza/xerxi daibloka, Caiketa. Cven SegviZlia inerciiT garkveuli periodi gavagrZeloT aRniSuli danazogiT cxovreba, Tumca erT dResac is aucileblad amoiwureba da aRmovCndebiT gadauWreli problemebis pirispir.
– azrTa sxvadasxvaoba gamoiwvia saqarTvelos xelisuflebis poziciam ukrainis mxardaWeris TvalsazrisiT. Tqven ras fiqrobT?
– arsebobs sakiTxebi, sadac ar unda veZeboT momxreebi da mowinaaRmdegeebi, poziciis da opoziciis damokidebulebebi, mtyuani da marTali – diax, saubari maqvs qveynis da erovnul interesze da swored ukrainis sakiTxia dRes Cveni qveynisTvis erovnuli interesis matarebeli – iq, sadac sazogadoeba gautexlad da gaazrebulad erTiania, aris qveynis erovnuli interesi.
– dabolos, ra gavlena eqneba am omis Sedegebs msoflioze da, maT Soris, saqarTveloze?
– ramdenime scenari ganvixiloT. im SemTxvevaSi, Tu ruseTi gaimarjvebs am omSi, risic naklebad mjera, putinis ruseTis klanWebi da agresia erTi-orad gaizrdeba ara mxolod saqarTvelos, aramed mTeli dasavluri da civilizebuli sazogadoebis mimarT. gaCndeba uimedobisa da nihilizmis axali kerebi da, rac yvelaze samwuxaroa, gansakuTrebiT patara saxelmwifoebisTvis dasavleTis mxridan daucvelobis gancdas gaaRvivebs, rac, pirdapir vTqvaT, daasustebs dasavlur gavlenas. ukrainis gamarjvebis SemTxvevaSi es iqneba putinis ruseTisaTvis imperialisturi zraxvebis dasasrulis dasawyisi. mas dominos efeqti eqneba mTels kavkasiis regionSi. Tu putini damarcxdeba, is poziciebs dakargavs ukrainaSic, saqarTveloSic, okupirebul teritoriebTan dakavSirebiT Seicvleba mocemuloba, gardamtexi procesebi daiwyeba belarusSi, moRvaweobas daasrulebs CeCneTis prezidenti – kadirovi, faqtobrivad kavkasiis regionSi arsebul saxelmwifoTa umravlesoba, sadac putinis gavlena Zalian maRalia, jer dasustdeba, dasruldeba da Semdge maTi mmarTveloba axal relsebze gadava. swored amitom, putinis ruseTi am omSi unda damarcxdes. gmirebs – dideba!
