სად უნდა მივიტანოთ ამანათები უკრაინელებისთვის?
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baTumelTa konsolidaciaze, ukraineli ltolvilebis daxmarebasa da qalaqSi arsebuli humanitaruli mimarTulebis centrebis funqcionirebaze gvesaubreba geno TebiZe, romlis TaosnobiT da uSualo organizebiT ramdenime mimRebi punqti moewyo, sadac ukrainaSi gasagzavni amanaTebi grovdeba.
– batono geno, gqondaT Tu ara am mxriv raime gamocdileba?
– jer kidev Tebervlis dasawyisSi baTumSi, qarTveli aqtivistebis, ukrainisa da belarusis diasporebis warmomadgenelTa iniciativiT, saprotesto aqciebi imarTeboda ruseTis SesaZlo agresiis winaaRmdeg. CvenTvis ukve maSin gaxda gasagebi, rom kremli saqarTveloSi 2008 wlis omis scenaris ukrainaSi gameorebas apirebda. rodesac maSindeli prezidenti, partniori qveynebis xelmZRvanelebTan erTad, msoflios civilizebul sazogadoebas umtkicebda, rom ruseTi agresoria da kacobriobis saukeTeso nawili unda gaerTiandes mis winaaRmdeg, aravis miuRia es seriozulad. sxvadasxva mizezis gamo, arc mkacri sanqciebi dauwesebiaT ruseTisTvis da arc sxva rame dasjis meqanizmi gamouyenebiaT. ise Caira yvelaferma, TiTqos arc araferi momxdara, magram ukve 2014 wels ukrainaze ganxorcielebuli Tavdasxmis Sedegad warTmeulma yirimma da ager axla, doneckis da luganskis olqebma sul sxva realobis winaSe daayena mTeli evropa. mixvdnen, rom ruseTs veRarafriT SeaCereben, rom moskovisTvis mxolod sakuTari imperialisturi zraxvebis sisruleSi moyvanaa mTavari da naklebad ainteresebs danarCeni msoflios azri.
– anu, sanam ruseTi ukrainaSi Sevidoda, ukve atarebdiT saprotesto aqciebs da icodiT, rom aseTi masStabis omi daiwyeboda?
– ra Tqma unda, miT umetes, rom xalxis dakveTa iyo – xelisufleba ar Semofargluliyo zogadi ganxilviT da ufro Tamami gancxadebebi gaekeTebina ruseTis politikasTan dakavSirebiT.
– humanitaruli centri rodis CamoayalibeT?
– 24 Tebervals ruseTi SeiWra ukrainaSi da daiwyo moxucebis, bavSvebis, qalebis, mSvidobiani mosaxleobis xocva-Jleta. aqedan gamomdinare, rodesac davinaxeT, ra xdeboda realurad da mivxvdiT, rom es ar dasruldeboda mokle droSi, gadavwyviteT, dro ar dagvekarga da raRaciT mainc davxmarebodiT Cvens partnior qveyanas.
– sakmaod swrafad mogixdeniaT reagireba.
– diax, radgan mware gamocdileba miRebuli gvqonda. kerZod, 2008 wlis agvistos omSi baTumSi gavxseniT analogiuri Stabi da 200-250 tona tvirTis transportirebas piradad vaxldi xaSurSi baCuki CxeiZesa da mamuka mujirTan erTad. pirvelad 100 tona fqvili waviReT, vicodiT, naklebobas ganicdidnen, davcaleT oTxi traileri, wamovediT da im Ramis 4 saaTze daikava rusis jarma xaSuri. aqedan gamomdinare, gvqonda gamocdileba da vicodiT, omis dawyebasTan erTad, humanitaruli daxmarebis gaweva iyo saWiro, amitom aRar davelodeT oficialur ganacxads da gadavwyviteT, Tavad davxmarebodiT gasaWirSi Cavardnil Cvens Zmebs. aqve isic gadavwyvite, yovelgvari politikuri saqmianoba SemeCerebina, gverdiT gadamedo politikuri ambiciebi da rogorc erT rigiT baTumels, pasuxismgebloba ameRo am mimarTulebiT. mimdinare aqciaze ganvacxade, rom viwyebdiT ukrainelebis dasaxmareblad humanitaruli tvirTis Segrovebas. centri `lelos~ ofisSi ganTavsda, mxarSi dagvidgnen opoziciuri partiebis warmomadgenlebi, radgan ar iyo dro, davlodebodiT, ras moimoqmedebdnen qalaqis mesveurni.
– mxolod opoziciurma Zalebma daiwyeT es procesi?
– ara, es idea ukrainisa da belarusis diasporebis warmomadgenlebs SevTavazeT da maTac gamoxates mzadyofna. aqve minda davasaxelo is adamianebi (politikuri kuTvnilebis miuxedavad), romlebic yovelgvari yoymanis gareSe dadgnen Cven gverdiT. maT Sorisaa levan anTaZe, romelic Tavisi gamocdilebiTa da resursiTaa CarTuli procesSi, elene xoStaria, romelmac 20 devnili waiyvana da daabinava da sxva.
– iqneb misamarTebi gviTxraT, msurvelebma amanaTebi rom moitanon.
– baTumSi sam adgilze gaixsna humanitaruli tvirTis mimRebi punqtebi: gorgaslis q. #№58, farnavaz mefis q.№ #46 da aRmaSeneblis q. #№58. am bolo misamarTze aris centraluri sawyobi, sadac mimdinareobs tvirTebis dafasoeba da gasagzavnad gadanawileba.
– mainc ra saxis produqcia moaqvT, ras unda mieqces gansakuTrebuli yuradReba?
– moaqvT sursaTi, medikamentebi, tansacmeli da aucilebeli sayofacxovrebo nivTebi. yvelaferi is, rac CvenTan grovdeba, SeTanxmebulia ukrainis mxaresTan. vcdilobT, im CamonaTvalis mixedviT SevavsoT amanaTebi, romelic gamogvigzavnes ukrainelebma.
– mxolod tvirTebis SegrovebiT xarT dakavebuli Tu devnilebsac maspinZlobT?
– Tavidan mxolod humanitarul tvirTze muSaoba daviwyeT, magram rodesac procesSi CaverTeT, TavisTavad Sexeba gvqonda diasporebTan, ukrainelebTan. Zalian male davdeqiT devnilTa miRebis, dabinavebis, sxva saWiroebebis winaSe.
– Tavidan albaT ar iyo didi nakadi?
– ki, radgan, ZiriTadad, evropis qveynebSi gadadiodnen, magram rac ufro gaxangrZlivda omi, mtris mier dabombili da miwasTan gasworebuli qalaqebidan ufro meti ukraineli wamovida. iseTi SemaZrwunebeli sisastikiT daeria ukrainelebs pirveli marcxiT gamwarebuli rusuli armia, rom Zalian bevrma verc ki gamoaswro da adgilze daiRupa. dReisTvis ukve ramdenime aTasi ukrainelia Semosuli Cvens qveyanaSi.
– erTia tvirTis Segroveba da sul sxva – devnilTa miReba-gamaspinZleba.
– marTlac udidesi pasuxismgebloba gekisreba, rodesac sikvdils gamoqceul, aTasgvar xifaTs gamotarebul adamianebs xvdebi da maTze zrunvas sakuTar Tavze iReb. maT sWirdebaT samedicino daxmareba, ganaTlebasTan, skolamdel aRzrdasTan, dabinavebasTan dakavSirebuli problemebis mogvareba. bevri deda Cvili bavSviTaa, romlebsac sruliad gansxvavebuli momsaxureba, kveba, tansacmeli sWirdeba. . .
– yvelafer amas saxelmwifo ar afinansebs?
– am etapze saxelmwifos pasuxismgebloba ar auRia da Cveni Stabi moxaliseobrivad muSaobs, Tumca turizmis departamenti 1-dan 23 Tebervlamde Semosul ukrainelebs, romlebic omis dawyebis gamo ver dabrundnen samSobloSi, uzrunvelyofs biniTa da kvebiT. Cven Zalian kargi urTierToba gvaqvs am departamentTan, radgan axla orive mxare erT saqmes vakeTebT. aqve xazgasmiT aRvniSnav, rom ukrainel devnilTa daxmarebis Tu humanitaruli tvirTis Segroveba-gagzavnis kuTxiT, xelisuflebis struqturebTan mWidro TanamSromloba gvaqvs.
– anu saxelmwifo struqturebic CarTuli arian am procesSi?
– aris saxelmwifo gadawyvetileba, romlis Tanaxmadac, oficialurad, es struqturebi ar monawileoben procesSi. aqedan gamomdinare, viTxovT, saxelmwifom ufro mkafio gancxadebebi gaakeTos da mniSvnelovani qmediTi gadawyvetilebebi miiRos devnilebis Sesaxeb mainc. am process sxva qveynebic akvirdebian, gviyureben, aRniSnaven Cven mier gadadgmul yvela nabijs, rac uaxloes droSi aisaxeba saqarTvelos momavalze.
– gamodis, oficialurad saqarTvelo ar Rebulobs devnilebs?
– arian sajaro moxeleebi, romlebic saxelmwifo doneze ayeneben am sakiTxs da bevr problemas CvenTan erTad agvareben. maT gareSe bevr sakiTxSi ver waviwevdiT win. isini Zalian aqtiuroben, magram mxolod piradi gadawyvetilebebiT, anu amis uflebamosileba oficialurad ar gaaCniaT. ra Tqma unda, saxelmwifos keTili nebis gareSe verc amas gaakeTebdnen, magram mTeli procesi mainc kuluarulad mimdinareobs. madlobeli var am xalxis, rom ar daixies ukan da mxarSi dagvidgnen ara mxolod Cven da ukrainel devnilebs, aramed Cvens qveyanas, radgan darwmunebuli var, Zalian male mTeli es qmedebebi aisaxeba Cveni momavali Taobis yofaze.
– romel saxelmwifo moxeleebze saubrobT?
– ubralod, getyviT, saxelmwifo moxele ar niSnavs mxolod da mxolod `qarTuli ocnebis~ wevrs. isini emsaxurebian sakuTar qveyanas, ar Semoifarglebian viwro partiuli interesebiTa da dogmebiT. meamayeba, aseTi xalxi rom cxovrobs Cvens qalaqSi.
– sul ramdeni ukraineli devnili gyavT registrirebuli?
– CvenTan ukve 850-mde ukrainelia registrirebuli, romlebsac vatarebT rogorc oficialur qarTul bazaSi, ise ukrainulSi – piradi monacemebiT, asakiT, misamarTebiT, telefonis nomrebiT. . . anu vavsebT yvela im grafas, rac mniSvnelovania am uwyebebisTvis. baTumSi aris ukrainuli jgufebi, romlebic Zalian kargad muSaobs. 11 ukrainuli restorania, romlebSic ufaso kvebas sTavazoben TanamoZmeebs. es yvelaferi sazogadoebriv sawyisebzea.
– gasagebia, magram. . . ramden xans `gaqaCavs~ es `sazogadoebrivi sawyisebi~, romelic isedac gaRatakebulia?
– ai, esaa saqme. amitom viTxovT saxelmwifos CarTvas am procesSi. ruseTis agresias misdami SiSiT ver SevaCerebT. dRes ukrainelebi elodebian saqarTvelos mTavrobis qmediT nabijebs. me mesmis. . . simarTle giTxraT, araferi mesmis. . . vuyureb am adamianebs da vxedav, ramxela gaWirveba gamoiares, ra tragedias gamoeqcnen da aq mxolod da mxolod sazogadoebrivi sawyisebis anabrad rCebian. maT baTumelebi daudgnen gverdiT da ara – mTavroba, aqedan gamomdinare, am etapze saxelmwifo imiji damokidebuli da Camokidebulia sazogadoebaze, romelic marTla Rirseulad iqceva. modian adamianebi, mihyavT ukraineli qalebi, bavSvebi da moxucebi, acmeven, aTboben, apureben, Wers sTavazoben, amSvideben, eferebian da bolo lukmas uyofen. es yvelaferi marTlac sWirdeba uzarmazari stresis qveS myof ukrainelebs. axla Cven vexmarebiT, magram isic faqtia, rom am adamianebs daamSvidebs da Tavs ufro stabilurad agrZnobinebs saxelmwifos oficialuri daxmareba.
– saxelmwifo ruseTis agresiis gamo ar iRebs ukrainel devnilebs?
– jer kidev me-12 saukuneSi Tqva didma SoTam `SiSi ver ixsnis sikvdilsa~, arada, am sakiTxze Cveni sazogadoebis zogierTi fenis kiTxvebi maRizianebs – mSvidoba Tu Tavisufleba? rogor SeiZleba Tavisuflebasa da mSvidobas Soris Sedareba gaakeTo? es xom demagogiaa?!
– Tqven romeli gsurT?
– mSvidoba aucilebelia ganviTarebisTvis, magram Tu monobazea Camokidebuli. . . ar minda aseTi mSvidoba, romelic Svilebs monobaSi gamizrdis. ra unda vuTxraT qaquca ColoyaSvilis STamomavlebs da 9 aprils daRupul gmirebs?! vimeoreb, mSvidoba mniSvnelovania, magram aranakleb mniSvnelovania, ra fasad movipovebT mas. isic minda vicode, rogor ganvviTardebi – viRacis karze Tu damoukideblad, damoukidebel saxelmwifoSi, sakuTari damwerlobis, istoriis, literaturis mqone sazogadoebaSi. Tavisufalma erma Tavisuflad unda viazrovnoT da Tavisuflad vicxovroT Tavisufal garemoSi. 30 welia, am brZolaSi var da Tuki isev ukan mimaTrevs vinme, is adamianic da misi azric CemTvis miuRebelia. omi aravis uxaria da arc is tragedia, rac axla trialebs ukrainaSi. yvelaze ukeT viciT, rac xdeba iq, radgan pirveli pirisgan vismenT rusebis sisastikis ambebs. aq yvela erTad varT, ar vakeTebT aqcents arc politikaze, arc erovnebaze, erTmaneTis tkiviliT vcxovrobT da erTmaneTis miRwevebiT vxarobT. bevri ram viswavleT Cveni devnilebisgan – Zalian utexi sulis, sxvagvarad SemarTuli adamianebi arian. ar minda politikuri gancxadebebis gakeTeba, radgan axla mxolod da mxolod pirovnulad, adamianurad, kacurad vugebT erTmaneTs da saerTo saqmes vakeTebT am saSineli omis dasasruleblad.
