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miuxedavad arasaxarbielo ekonomikuri mdgomareobisa da ruseTis ukrainisadmi agresiisa, saqarTveloSi politikuri situacia stabiluria, rac mmarTveli partiisa da opoziciuri speqtris saxelmwifoebriv qmedebebze metyvelebs, yovel SemTxvevaSi, ase amboben eqspertebi. maTi TqmiT, yovelgvari destabilizacia ruseTis wisqvilze daasxams wyals, Tumca es imas ar niSnavs, rom opozicia da sazogadoebis nawili xelisuflebis da aseve – opoziciis bolodroindeli qmedebebiTaa kmayofili. amas mowmobs amaswinandeli sociologiuri gamokiTxvebi. amave dros, daanonsda antisaxelisuflo mitingebi, rac `nacmoZraobam~ saakaSvilis gaTavisuflebis moTxovnis safuZvelze gaaJRera. ra cxadyo am sociologiurma gamokiTxvebma, rogoria qveynis ekonomikuri da politikuri situacia, ra aCvena ruseT-ukrainis omma? am da sxva mniSvnelovan kiTxvebze pasuxis gacemas amjerad `strategia aRmaSeneblis~ aWaris organizaciis lideri beqa diasamiZe Seecdeba.
– dRevandel saqarTveloSi arsebul realobaze ras ityviT, TqvenTvis ra aspeqtebia sayuradRebo?
– gauaresebuli socialuri foni, mzardi inflacia, umuSevrobis maRali done, gazrdili sagareo samxedro safrTxeebi, qveynis SigniT myife politikuri situacia, sazogadoebis mkveTri polarizeba, xelisuflebis mxridan demokratiuli instituciebis funqciebis ugulebelyofa, damoukidebeli sasamarTlos ararseboba, elitaruli korufcia da mravali sxva faqtori negatiur gavlenas axdens Cvens yoveldRiur yofaze, magram gansakuTrebulad unda gamovyoT ruseT-ukrainis omi. iq ganviTarebul procesebsa da Sedegebs didi gavlena eqneba ara marto Cvens regionze, aramed mTel msoflioze. amitom ukrainaSi wydeba bevri sakiTxi, maT Soris iseTebic, romlebic zemoT CamovTvale. imedi maqvs, rom es omi ukraineli xalxis gamarjvebiT damTavrdeba, xolo politikuri da ekonomikuri Sedegebi Cveni regionisTvis imedis momcemi iqneba.
– vidre zemoaRniSnul sakiTxebze visaubrebdeT, manamde minda gkiTxoT Tqvens lider giorgi vaSaZeze, romelic vaSingtonSi imyofeba, gviambeT amis Sesaxeb. . .
– komunikacia Cvens dasavlel partniorebTan da gansakuTrebiT, amerikis SeerTebul StatebTan, mniSvnelovania. Cveni qveynis winaSe arsebuli gamowvevebis didi nawili Tavad unda gadavWraT da saqarTvelos moqalaqeebma saerTo ZalisxmeviT movagvaroT, magram aris problemebi, romelTa gadawyvetac Cveni partniorebis Carevis gareSe SeuZlebeli iqneba. es exeba saqarTvelos usafrTxoebas, evropul ojaxSi integracias, ekonomikuri kavSirebis gamyarebas, investiciebis mozidvas da sxva mniSvnelovan Temebs. imedi gvaqvs, rom giorgi vaSaZisa da Cveni politikuri gundis wevrebis viziti vaSingtonSi Tavis wvlils Seitans qarTul-amerikuli TanamSromlobis gamyarebaSi.
– amas winaT `airai~-m morigi kvlevis Sedegebi gamoaqveyna: mmarTvel partias saqarTvelos mosaxleobis 31 procenti uWers mxars, `nacmoZraobamas~ – 16, sxva partiebis maCvenebeli umniSvneloa, yvelaze damafiqrebelia, rom mosaxleobis 60 procenti arcerT partias ar endoba, es risi maniSnebelia?
– Cvens qveyanaSi marTlac mZime socialur-politikuri procesebi mimdinareobs, romelSic gareSe Zalebi, ruseTis saxiT, namdvilad monawileoben. es ukanaskneli yvelafers akeTebs, rom Cveni moqalaqeebi daarwmunos imaSi, rom arafris keTeba damoukideblad ar SegviZlia. koleqtiuri dasavleTi sakuTari Zalebis rwmenis ganmtkicebaSi gvexmareba, ruseTi ki piriqiT – cdilobs `dagvakompleqsos~, dagvakarginos ndoba sakuTari politikuri klasis mimarT, raTa mivideT im daskvnamde, rom Tavisuflebas `rusuli Ceqma~ unda varCioT da a.S. es brZolaa demokratiasa da avtokratias Soris. Cven unda gadavwyvitoT, viqnebiT Tanamedrove msoflios nawili Tu ruseTis imperiis ukana ezo. bunebrivia, am procesebis sworad warmarTvaSi partiebs didi roli da pasuxismgebloba eniWebaT da mowodebis simaRleze unda iyvnen, magram nurc is dagvaviwydeba, rom sazogadoebis CarTulobasac aranaklebi mniSvneloba aqvs. amomrCevlis nihilizmi mxolod ruseTis imperias aZlevs xels. partiebmac da xalxmac unda gavarRvioT es mojadoebuli wre.
– am kvlevebis mixedviT, eqspertebi amboben, rom xelSi mTlianad diskreditirebuli partiebi SegvrCa, xom ar daWaobda politikuri speqtri?
– gavimeoreb – diskreditirebuli politikuri klasi mxolod saqarTvelos arakeTilmosurne Zalebis interesebSi Sedis. marTalia, politikur partiebsac miuZRviT am mxriv wvlili, maTma Secdomebma didwilad ganapiroba bevri ram, magram erToblivad unda veZeboT gamosavali da calkeuli piris politikur ambiciebs ar unda gadavayoloT qveynis momavali. amis kargi magaliTi trampis prezidentobis bolo dReebi iyo. amerikis politikurma sistemam did gamocdas gauZlo. miuxedavad imisa, rom prezidenti gajiutda da dakavebuli Tanamdebobidan wasvla ar surda, demokratiulma institutebma kargad imuSaves qveyanaSi da iZulebuli gaxades igi, xelisufleba daeTmo. vfiqrob, igives unda vaRwevdeT CvenTanac, Tu gvinda, mosaxleobas ndoba davubrunoT politikuri procesebisadmi.
– amas winaT Tqvenma liderma giorgi vaSaZem ganacxada, rom uaxloes momavalSi misi partia mosaxleobas qveynis ganviTarebis mniSvnelovan gegmas gaacnobs, ras moicavs es gegma?
– vaSingtonSi vizitis Semdeg es gegmebi kidev ufro gamoikveTeba da saSualeba mogvecema, masze ufro zustad visaubroT.
– didi diskusiaa gaCaRebuli mesame prezidentis Sewyaleba-arSewyalebaze. `nacmoZraobam~ mitingebi daaanonsa, Tqveni da partiis azri amis Taobaze?
– civiluri samyaro ase ar eqceva Tavis prezidentebs, rogorc saqarTvelo. saakaSvilis janmrTelobis problema fataluri SedegiT rom dasruldes, Cveni qveynis imijisTvis saziano iqneba, amitom is adamianebi, romlebic sworad vafasebT movlenebs, unda vecadoT, ar davuSvaT msgavsi Secdomebi da sakuTari protestiT vaCvenoT xelisuflebas erTaderTi swori gamosavali – eqsprezidentis gadayvana ucxoeTis erT-erT cnobil klinikaSi misi janmrTelobis srul reabilitaciamde. Cemi azriT, jer adamiani unda iyo da mere politikosi, amitom sxva adamianebis mimarT empaTiis grZnoba arcerT situaciaSi ar unda dakargo.
– kvlav ar wydeba sja-baasi parlamentSi opoziciis yofnasTan dakavSirebiT, magaliTad, Salva naTelaSvili ambobs, rom opoziciam unda datovos parlamenti, raTa mmarTvel partias diskomforti Seuqmnas, ras ityviT?
– bolo periodSi batoni Salva Tavad cdilobda parlamentSi Sesvlas da `qarTulma ocnebam~ ar SeuSva. `leiboristebis~ liderma Caatara gamokiTxva da misma amomrCevelma parlamentSi Sesvlas dauWira mxari. Tu moqalaqeebi mis Sesvlas eTanxmebian, ratom ewinaaRmdegeba maT nebas? ase rom, cota gaugebaria batoni Salvas pozicia, romelic amindis mixedviT icvleba, xolo misi qmedebebi saxis SenarCunebas ufro emsaxureba, vidre saerTo politikuri miznebis miRwevas (vgulisxmob opoziciuri frTis amocanebs).
– sxvaTa Soris, `leiboristTa~ lideri imasac acxadebs, rom Tu partia ar datovebs parlaments, es imas niSnavs, rom is xelisuflebasTan Sekrulia, msgavsi gancxadebebi ramdenad vnebs opoziciur speqtrs?
– msgavsi gancxadebebi da politikuri araTanmimdevruloba Tu vinmes vnebs, vfiqrob, es Tavad Salva naTelaSvilia.
– kompania `borjoms~ xom ar kargavs saqarTvelo da am mxriv ra unda gaakeTos xelisuflebam?
– dRevandeli xelisufleba araTanmimdevrulia yvelaferSi da am sakiTxSic maTi moqmedebebis logikurobis imedi ar maqvs. xelisuflebisgan, romelic egreT wodebul `argaRizianebis~ politikas atarebs da maqsimalurad cdilobs, qarTuli ekonomika rusuls miabas, umoqmedoba ar gamikvirdeba. marTalia, brends ar davkargavT, magram, samwuxarod, SesaZlebelia gasaRebis bazris didi nawili daikargos, rac xels SeuSlis kompaniis momaval ganviTarebas. ra unda gaakeTos xelisuflebam? molaparakeba gamarTos patarkaciSvilis ojaxTan 60% wilis gamosyidvaze da garkveuli sagadasaxado SeRavaTebiT daainteresos. Tu es versia ar imuSavebs, rusi oligarqis wilis nacionalizacia moxdes da misi aqciebi msoflios safondo birJebze gaiyidos.
– eqspertebi acxadeben, rom rogorc mmarTveli partia, ise `nacmoZraoba~ mosaxleobis polarizebas cdiloben, raTa orpolusianoba SenarCundes, ras akeTebs Tqveni partia, rom Seiqmnas mZlavri mesame centri?
– sxvaTa Soris kvlevebma aCvena, rom Cveni amomrCevlebis ZiriTadi birTvi mosaxleobis is nawilia, romelsac garkveuli karieruli warmatebebi ukve gaaCnia sazogadoebrivi saqmianobis sxvadasxva sferoSi, aqvs stabiluri Semosavali, magram surs ukeTes pirobebSi icxovros da sakuTari SesaZleblobebis realizeba moaxdinos. Cveni partiis amocanaa, moqalaqeebis did nawils davanaxoT, rom SegviZlia iseTi pirobebi SevqmnaT, warmatebuli adamianebis ricxvi qveyanaSi mniSvnelovnad gaizardos, yvelas mivceT zrdisa da ganviTarebis SesaZlebloba. swored es ganasxvavebs Cvens partias sxvebisgan, Cveni samizne mxolod adamiani, misi interesebi, mere ojaxi da saboloo jamSi, saxelmwifoa.
– sagareo sakiTxsac SevexoT: ras ityviT evrokavSiris kiTxvarTan dakavSirebiT da aqve Tanmdevi kiTxva: ra aCvena msoflios ukraina-ruseTis omis mesame Tvem?
– moviSvelieb jon kenedis sityvebs: `sityva `krizisi~ Cinurad ori ieroglifiT aRiniSneba. erTi `safrTxes~ niSnavs, meore ki `sasikeTo SesaZleblobas~. swored es SesaZleblobebi Cvenma qveyanam xelidan ar unda gauSvas. rac Seexeba omis Sedegebs, 21-e saukuneSi yvela diqtaturam dainaxa, rom agresia damoukidebeli saxelmwifos mimarT dausjeli ar rCeba.
– ramdenad mniSvnelovania sanqciebi ruseTze zemoqmedebisTvis?
– faqtia, rom sanqciebi muSaobs, magram frontis xazze ukrainelebis mniSvnelovani samxedro warmatebebis gareSe, vfiqrob, nakleb efeqturi iqneba. yvelafridan Cans, rom ukraina am omSi imarjvebs. ase rom, viqonioT imedi, ruseTi momavalSi asjer dafiqrdeba sxvis teritoriaze SeWramde.
– dabolos, problemuri sakiTxebis nusxaSi umuSevroba zemoaRniSnuli kvlevis mixedviTac sameulSia. samwuxarod, verc erTma mTavarobam ver SeZlo qveynis ekonomikuri mdgomareobis gaumjobeseba, ra aris amis mizezi?
– mizezi erTdroulad Zalian martivicaa da rTulic. is SemiZlia giTxraT, rom arcerTi mTavroba problemas kompleqsurad ar uyurebda. samuSao adgilebis Seqmnis procesSi saxelmwifos politika fragmentuli ver iqneba, arada, swored amas vxedavdiT wlebis ganmavlobaSi. sanam xedvas ar SevcvliT da ar gaviazrebT, ra aris am mxriv jer saxelmwifos funqcia-movaleoba (arc meti da arc naklebi) da mere – TiToeuli sajaro moxelis, am situaciaSi davrCebiT.