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baTumelma guranda niJaraZem samwerlo asparezze gamosvlisTanave miipyro mkiTxvelTa yuradReba Tavisi wigniT `autsaideris socialuri qseli~. mravalmxrivi interesebiT, niWierebiT, erudiciiT gamorCeuli es mwerali da gamomcemeli dRes Cveni stumaria.
– Tqveni debiuti mwerlobaSi warmatebuli iyo, mkiTxvelTa yuradRebas rogor aRiqvamT?
– madloba SefasebisTvis. mkiTxvelTan saubari Zalian miyvars, bevri saintereso adamiani maCuqa `autsaiderma~ – SemoklebiT ase veZaxi Cems wigns. gamovyofdi maris, romelTanac vmegobrob. . . mziani gogoa da Zalian miyvars.
– `autsaideris socialuri qseli~ – Tqvenma am nawarmoebma gansakuTrebiT axalgazrdebis yuradReba miipyro, Tavad ras fiqrobT, SeZeliT rogorc gsurdaT, ise geTqvaT saTqmeli?
– diax! im cxovrebiseul gzaze yvelaferi iTqva. rac axla minda vTqva, meore wignSi iqneba.
– mravalmxrivi interesebiT gamoirCeviT, mainc vin Warbobs TqvenSi – mwerali, mxatvari, mTargmneli. . . TviTrealizacia sad ufro gamogdiT?
– Jurnal `WoroxSic~ vmuSaob da gamomcemelic var. es yvelaferi Cemi Semadgenelia. vercerTs gamovyofdi – es aris Cemi cxovreba.
– rodis aRmoaCineT, rom mwerlobis gzaze dadgoma iyo aucilebeli Tqveni TviTrealizaciisaTvis?
– arasdros warmomedgina, odesme wigns Tu davwerdi. Aai, ase, erT dRes davjeqi da, CemTvis gasakvirad, davwere pirveli Tavi. mere ufro damainteresa da mivyevi Cems Tavneba personaJebs.
– ra aris mTavari gzavnili, romelic Tqvens SemoqmedebaSi unda amoikiTxos mkiTxvelma?
– `autsaideris socialur qselSi~ madloba gadavuxade im Seucvlel adamianebs, romlebic realurad arian Cems cxovrebaSi. romani iwyeba britaneTSi, grZeldeba ukrainaSi da sruldeba saqarTveloSi, baTumSi. wigni samyarosTan harmoniul Serwymaze, erTmaneTis miRebaze, gansxvavebul kulturaTa erTianobasa da mSvidobazea, literaturisa da, saerTod, xelovnebis Zalazea; siyvarulzea da, miuxedavad yvelafrisa, sicocxlis mSvenierebazea.
– bevris azriT, politikis miRma ver iqnebi, roca samSoblo gtkiva. . . Tqveni azriT, mwerali politikur procesSi, qali da politika, esec saintereso Temaa. . . erTgan aRniSneT, qali gadaarCens kacobriobaso. . .
– danamdvilebiT erTi ram vici – rac ufro meti qali iqneba politikaSi, miT ufro mSvidi iqneba sicocxle. qali sawyisia kacobriobis. masSia momavali. is Seupovari sicocxlis Semnaxvelia.
– Tqven laparakobT im qalebis nacvlad, romlebic daadumes da es kargia. . . momavali sazogado saqmianobisadmi qalur midgomas moiTxovs, es misiaa da Tqveni roli rogor warmogidgeniaT? ra surs yvelaze metad guranda niJaraZes?
– me adamianebis Tanasworobisken var. qalic da kacic, upirvelesad, adamianebi arian. ar miyvars, roca umecrebiT amtkiceben mamakacis e. w. aRmatebulobas. bibliis TargmanSi gamoyenebulia sityva `kaci~ – zogi fiqrobs, rom aq mxolod mamakaczea saubari, Tumca originalur ebraul teqstSi am adgilas gamoyenebuli sityva gulisxmobs rogorc mamakacs, aseve qals. ase rom, orive Tanabari pirobiT aris Seqmnili, aqvT Tanabari uflebebi da saTanadod SeuZliaT didi miznebis asruleba. yvelaze metad minda, rom omi ar iyos arsad, ar iRupebodnen bavSvebi, ar iyos SimSili, yvelgan iyos sasmeli wyali da wamlebi. gulwrfelad minda, rom adamianebi zrunavdnen erTmaneTze da dedamiwaze.
– Tqven Zlieri fesvebi gaqvT – Tqveni didi babuebi dede da rejeb niJaraZeebi da kidev mravali saxelovani niJaraZe. . . es gansakuTrebul pasuxismgeblobasTanaa dakavSirebuli, cxadia. . .
– amayi var Cemi winaprebiT. maxarebs, rom sazogadoebas axsovs maTi Rvawli da Tavdadeba. mTeli Cemi cxovreba maTi naamagari win mxvdeba, rac didi siamayis gancdas iwvevs CemSi. erTgvari pasuxismgeblobaa danabarebi da anderZi, samSoblos siyvarulis magaliTi. dRemde, raime kargs Tu vakeTeb, babua selim niJaraZe warmomidgeba Tvalwin, vxedav, rogor micqers Tavisi gamamxnevebeli RimiliT. . . Tumca, roca raimes vaSaveb, maSinac ase micqers.
– `wamSi SemiZlia romelime wignSi, naxatSi, filmSi aRmovCnde~ – es Tqveni sityvebia. sainteresoa, rogor?
– kinoze da saerTod xelovnebaze Seyvarebuli adamianebis Cvevaa: ai, magaliTad, gzad SeiZleba ucnaurad gamowyobili qali Semomxvdes da Cem sayvarel literaturul an kinofilmis personaJs mivamsgavso, yovelive magiurad gardaiqmneba im wuTebSi. vagroveb aseT gaelveba wamebs.
– komplimentebs, romlebsac geubnebian, imaxsovrebT? saerTod, rogor aRiqvamT Seqebas, jildos, taSs. . .
– Cemma sayvarelma kurt vonegutma Tqva: – `daimaxsovreT komplimentebi~ – mec gamorCeulebs vimaxsovreb. wrfeli yvelaferi sasixaruloa, pirferuli araferi miyvars.
– sikvdili – sicocxlis dasasruli Tu. . .
– sicocxle maradiulobis dasawyisia da sikvdilic ki verafers daaklebs mas.
– Cveni planeta apokalifsis winaSea. . . ekokatastrofa da pandemiebi. . . gadasarCenad ra unda viRonoT?
– me adamianis gamarjvebisken var! vici, rom gavimarjvebT am gamowvevebSi, magram unda vaRiaroT, rom Cven am samyaros da dedamiwis nawili varT.
– ramdenad naklebia codna, miT metia gmobis unari – meTanxmebiT?
– diax, asea. samwuxaro sanaxavia uvici adamiani, romlisTvisac sazRvari ar arsebobs meore adamianis upativcemulobisa.
– roca suls swyuria, romel mwerlebs kiTxulobT, vis naxatebs naxulobT, rogor musikas usmenT?
– Tvla ameria, imdenjer maqvs wakiTxuli `vefxistyaosani~. ase gamoyofa miWirs. axla magidaze roTenbergi, qeroli, uiliam bleiqi, tolkini, leqsikonebi da sxva wignebi midevs. mxatvrebzec igives vityodi. Zalian xSirad davyureb diureris avtoportrets, `melanqolias~. miyvars diureris da leonardos xelebis Canaxatebis Tvaliereba. musika miyvars yvelanairi: axlaxan vusmendi arvo piartis `alinasTvis~.
– Tqven da ojaxi. . . migaCniaT, rom mas saxelmwifosaviT Wkvianuri marTva sWirdeba?
– ojaxi unda iyos adgili, sadac iseTi uyvarxar yvelas, rogoric xar. ojaxi patara saxelmwifoa. davamatebdi: qali, romelsac kargi ojaxi hyavs, Tavisuflad SeZlebs saxelmwifos marTvas.
– usiyvarulod mze ar sufevs cis kamaraze, asea xom?
– diax! rom ara es didi, yovlismomcveli, kosmiuri grZnoba, adamians kiTxva `vin~ ki ara, `ra~ daesmeboda.
– dabolos, ras ityodiT, riT daasrulebdiT am intervius?
– minda madloba gadagixadoT saintereso SekiTxvebisTvis. gisurvebT bevr warmatebas Tqven da, ra Tqma unda, Tqvens mkiTxvels.
