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sad aSendeba caTambjenebi qalaqSi?
posti, romelic mirian metrevels baTumis meriaSi uWiravs – qalaqganviTarebisa da urbanuli politikis samsaxuri – Zalian mniSvnelovania Cveni qalaqisTvis. aq gamotanili gadawyvetilebebi xSirad xdeba baTumelebis gansjis sagani. cxadia, am samsaxuris xelmZRvaneloba sakmaod rTulia, vinaidan Sedegi didxans ar waiSleba baTumis infrastruqturidan, Sesabamisad, dakisrebuli pasuxismgeblobac didia mniSvnelovani gadawyvetilebebis gamotanis dros. dRes batoni miriani gagvarkvevs, rogor mimdinareobs baTumis urbanuli ganviTareba da ra sirTuleebia am sferoSi.
– batono mirian, faqtia, baTumi dRiTi dRe icvleba, bevri mosawoni proeqti gakeTda, zogic – sakamaTo. rogoria amJamad qalaqis ganviTarebis gegma?
– baTumis gengegmasTan dakavSirebiT gasul wlebSi daiwyo muSaoba. iyo teqnikuri davaleba, romelic gansazRvravda, rogor unda gamocxadebuliyo konkursi, ra pirobebiT exelmZRvanela gamarjvebul kompanias. konkursi Sedga da gaimarjva kompaniam, romelic muSaobs baTumis generalur gegmaze. igi moicavs sxvadasxva dargobriv dokuments, dRevandeli mdgomareobiT, baTumis merias Cabarebuli aqvs misi pirveli etapi, rac iTvaliswinebda kvlevebis Sesrulebas, anu garemos Seswavlas da arsebuli problemebis gamovlenas. Semdeg etapze am problemebis gaTvaliswinebiT gamarjvebuli kompania Camoayalibebs Tavis xedvebs, samomavlod rogor unda ganviTardes qalaqi. zogadad, es exeba baTumis ganviTarebas, rogorc qalaqmSeneblobiTi, aseve ekonomikuri kuTxiTac, anu gegmaSi Cadebulia kvlevebi, Tu rogor unda gamovlindes ekonomikis axali dargebi. mogexsenebaT, baTumi zRvispira kurortia, garda amisa, aq mniSvnelovnad viTardeba turizmic, aseve didi roli eniWeba mSeneblobas. amasTan, muSavdeba, sxva ra mimarTuleba SeiZleba iyos aseTi wamyvani da perspeqtivis mqone. uaxloesi erTi wlis ganmavlobaSi gamovlindeba konkretuli mimarTulebebi, rac saSualebas mogvcems, mivyveT maT da ise ganviTardes qalaqi.
– anu dazustdeba es mimarTulebebi, magram zustad romeli viciT?
– ZiriTadi aris turizmi, magram, cxadia, gvaqvs samSeneblo kuTxiT aqtivobebi, rasac sWirdeba sakanonmdeblo baza. Aam kuTxiT bevri ram Seicvala, regulaciebSi moeqca samSeneblo mimarTuleba. Tumca calkeul ubnebSi aris resursebi, risi gamoyenebac SeiZleba swori dagegmvis SemTxvevaSi: jansaRi garemos Seqmna sacxovrebeli pirobebis gaumjobesebis, aseve turistuli da nebismieri TvalsazrisiT, anu aris ubnebi, sadac mSeneblobis intensivoba imdenad maRalia, rom saWiroa ukve sxvanairi tipis ganviTareba – ufro dabali intensivobis Senobebis ageba, zogierT ubanSi vxedavT, rom mSeneblobebi zRvramdea misuli da aq SesaZlebelia ufro gantvirTvis obieqtebis mowyoba – dasasvenebeli da
a. S. kvlevis is etapi, romelic gulisxmobs arsebuli situaciis Seswavlas, ukve Catarda, Semdgom etapze ki konkretuli miznebi daisaxeba, raTa baTumSi dRes arsebuli problemebi mogvardes, an ukeTesobisken Seicvalos. SeiZleba raRac problema momavalSi wamoiWras. aqedan gamomdinare, zogadad, aseTi sivrciTi sakiTxebi Cadebulia zemoT aRniSnul sakonkurso dokumentaciaSi, romliTac xelmZRvanelobs gamarjvebuli kompania `siTi instituti saqarTvelo~. rogorc misma direqtorma mamuka saluqvaZem ganacxada, gengegmaSi Cadebulia mimarTulebebi: `medegi, inkluziuri, mwvane da usafrTxo qalaqi~. kompanias hyavs mravaldargobrivi specialistebis 40-kaciani jgufi, aseve – qvekontraqtorebi sxvadasxva sferoSi, vTqvaT, satransporto kuTxiT, ekonomikis, turizmis, igive kulturuli memkvidreobis dacvis da ase Semdeg, romlebic muSaoben am mimarTulebebiT. kompaniasTan erTad muSaoben frangi da germaneli partniorebi, romlebic exmarebodnen Tbilisisa da goris gengegmis SemuSavebis drosac.
– mokled, baTumis ganviTarebas, ZiriTadad, xedavT generalur gegmaSi, ara?
– Cveni sferoebi ufro esaa, zogadad strategia, ufro detalurad ver visaubreb. gengegma da sivrciTi mowyoba, ZiriTadad, qalaqmSeneblobiTi kuTxiT warmoudgeniaT da ra Tqma unda, moicavs am yvelafers, magram dargobrivad ganviTarebis gegmaSi SeiZleba ekonomikuri ganviTarebac vigulisxmoT, rac specifikuria da amaze sxva specialistebma unda isaubron.
– ras unda velodoT axals baTumis ganaSenianebaSi da konkretulad ra Sendeba axali?
– baTumis ganaSenianebaSi unda velodoT bevrad ufro dabalansebul mSeneblobebs, rogorc moculobiT, aseve funqciuri datvirTviT da kanonmdeblobiT daSvebuli koeficientis dacviT. dRevandeli kanonmdebloba mimarTulia imisken, rom Senoba-nagebobebis dagegmva moxdes kvlevebis safuZvelze. zogadad, nebismieri proeqti rom Cvens samsaxurTan SeTanxmdes, tardeba kvleva, xdeba arsebuli garemos Seswavla minimum 50-metrian radiusSi an kvartalurad (Tu masStaburi mSeneblobaa), rac moicavs rogorc infrastruqturul doneze Seswavlas (sainJinro infrastruqturis), komunaluri qselebis, ise garemosdacviTi kuTxiT Seswavlas. amis safuZvelze SemuSavdeba proeqti sarTulianobis, moculobis TvalsazrisiT. Aadre ase ar iyo. 2020 wlidan amoqmedda axali kanoni, Tumca aman gamoiwvia is, rom mSeneblebi ver gadaerTnen axal kanonmdeblobaze, amitom axali didi moculobis Senobebi arc agebula.
– ratom ver gadaerTnen?
– qarTuli problemaa es – mSenebeli mieCvia nebarTvebis gacemis simartives da axal wesebze gadasvla uZneldeba. 2006 wlidan gamartivda nebarTvebis gacemis procedura, arc kvleva iyo saWiro, arc bevri sxva ram, anu biurokratia TiTqos moixsna, raTa qveyana sanebarTvo simartivis reitingebSi, ase vTqvaT, mowinave poziciebze damdgariyo. A
– aman investiciebi moizida.
– diax, samSeneblo bumi gamoiwvia, nebismieri profesionali Tu araprofesionali CaerTo mSeneblobaSi, magram uaryofiTi mxarec mohyva.
– rac gamoixata qaosur mSeneblobebSi.
– diax,D aseve mSeneblobis xarisxzec aisaxa, arakonkurentuli garemo gamoiwvia, radgan myidveli ar iyo mzad, dafiqrebuliyo, 20 wlis Semdeg rogori iqneboda SeZenili bina da mzad iyo, iafad eyida iseTi, romelsac problemebi eqneboda xarisxis TvalsazrisiT. gamartivebulma kanonmdeblobam moizida investiciebi, Tumca qalaqSi gaCnda da momravlda daugegmarebeli mSeneblobebi. cxadia, warmoiqmna samSeneblo kodeqsSi cvlilebebis Setanis aucilebloba. nebarTvis gacemas safuZvlad daedo garemos kvleva, ris safuZvelzec unda dadgindes Senobis simaRle, moculoba, samezoblo mijnac, adre igi ar iyo SezRuduli, SeiZleboda, magaliTad, samezobloSi ise Cadgmuliyo Senoba, rom mas sxva Senobis dazianeba gamoewvia. ra Tqma unda, nebismier SemTxvevaSi amaze pasuxi mSenebelma unda agos, magram sasamarTlo davebi mosaxleobis ukmayofilebas iwvevda, amJamad ki kodeqsSi gawerilia, rom unda moikvlio, Senobebi rogoraa ganTavsebuli da Sesabamisad unda ganaTavso axali nageboba.
– anu, SeiZleba vTqvaT, rom aRar aSendeba Seusabamo Senobebi qalaqis viwro quCebSi, aRar Cabneldeba mezobeli saxlebis fanjrebi da am mxriv aRar garTuldeba zogierTebis cxovreba?
– ki, batono, Tumca xarvezebi nebismier kanonmdeblobas aqvs da, zogadad, qarTul sinamdvileSi igive miwebi, anu sakuTrebebi ar aris ise harmoniulad gadanawilebuli qalaqSi, rom idealur gegmarebas xels uwyobdes – SeWril-SemoWrili miwis nakveTebia, zogi 90-ian wlebSi, zogic Semdeg rogorc Semoxaz-SemoRobes, ise darCa, amis reforma ar Catarebula, raTa momxdariyo zustad kvartaluri dagegmarebebi. aseve, qalaqs SemouerTda soflis tipis dasaxlebebi. kanonmdebloba yvelafers ver moergeba, radgan evropul gamocdilebas efuZneba.
D- da mainc, aqaur sinamdvilesac rom movargoT, xom SeiZleba?
– unda moergos, ra Tqma unda, magram raRac detalebiT ukmayofilo adamianebi SeiZleba mainc darCnen, ise ver aSendes, rom yvela kmayofili iyos, magram, 90 procenti mainc iqneba kmayofili.
– kanonmdeblobaSi cvlilebebi kargia qalaqis ukeT dagegmarebisTvis, magram momgebiani ar aris mSeneblisTvis, yovel SemTxvevaSi qarTvelisTvis?
– ar aris, radgan igive K koeficientTan dakavSirebiT, investors adre SeeZlo konkretul miwis nakveTze, sadac dadgenilia dabali koeficienti, Tavisi sainvesticio dasabuTebiT moeTxova samjer meti koeficienti, anu Sesabamisad samjer meti moculobis Senoba. dRes es ase martivi araa. Teoriulad daSvebulia koeficientis gazrda, magram unda Catardes kvartaluri kvlevebi, anu ra resursi aqvs kvartals satransporto, sainJinro komunikaciebis da infrastruqturuli TvalsazrisiT. am kvlevebma xSir SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba mSenebeli SezRudos, amitom ver ayva axal kanonmdeblobas, Tu ar CavTvliT imas, rom momravlda kotejebis, samsarTuliani dasasvenebeli saxlebis, vilebis mSenebloba Sesabamis teritoriebze, anu dabali intensivobis mSenebloba ufro waxalisda, ase vTqvaT.
– Aamis Tqma mindoda, xom SeiZleba, axali Senobebi aSendes ara Sua qalaqSi, rogorc amas yvela eswrafvis, radgan ufro momgebianad iTvleba, aramed SemogarenSi, aiTvison Tavisufali teritoriebi?
– dRes ZiriTadad, gvaqvs saSualo da dabali intensivobis mSeneblobebi. marTalia, viRacas dabali Senoba moswons, viRacas – maRali, zogs caTambjeni unda qalaqis centralur nawilSi manhetenis stilSi, magram mxolod im SemTxvevaSi, roca gengegma geubneba, rom am qalaqs aqvs amis resursi, TavisTavad aq mosaxleobis CarTulobac iqneba.
– anu qalaqis centrSi kvlav SeiZleba aSendes caTambjenebi? baTumis generaluri gegmis amoqmedebas yvela elodeba da gamadidebeli miniT daakvirdeba, xelisSemSleli faqtorebi xom ar arsebobs?
– gengegma imisTvis ar keTdeba, rom Taroze Semoidos. is unda gaxdes saxelmZRvanelo dokumenti da es gaazrebuli aqvs municipalitets, aqedan gamomdinare, mis vadebs da Sesrulebis xarisxs daicavs. am etapze jer es problema ar damdgara, anu qalaqis ganviTarebis koncefcia rodesac iqneba warmodgenili, maSin SeiZleba moxdes interesebis gadakveTa msxvil kompaniebTan, magram es erToblivi CarTulobiT unda dabalansdes da saboloo Sedegamde mivides, radgan maTi mosazrebebic gasaTvaliswinebelia. biznesi midrekilia ufro martiv regulaciebze, raTa ganaxorcielon TavianTi gegmebi. aucileblad iqneba adgilebi, sadac maRali Senobebi unda aSendes, magram me, moqalaqem, unda vicode, romel ubanSi wavide, Tu dabali intensivobis wynar ubanSi minda cxovreba da sad wavide, Tu maRali intensivobis ubanSi minda vicxovro. Tu municipaliteti ver mipasuxebs amaze, es iqneba araswori. miwas Tu viyidi, aviSeneb samsarTulian saxls, xval ki nebarTvas gascemen da gverdiT 20-sarTulian korpuss amiSeneben, es araswori iqneba. gengegmam unda daareguliros msgavsi zonireba, Tumca es unda iyos Sesrulebadi. unda arsebobdes adgilebi rogorc maRali, ise dabali intensivobis mSeneblobisTvis.
– ukve darRvevebiT aSenebuls ra eSveleba?
– rodesac qalaqi ase viTardeba nebismieri kuTxiT, SesaZlebelia moZvelebuli Senobis demontaJi da axali mimarTulebebis ganxorcieleba.
– Zvel baTums Tu elodeba raime cvlileba?
– is iseTi zonaa, sadac aris kulturuli memkvidreobis Zeglebis koncentracia, gansazRvrulia Senobis maqsimaluri simaRle (15 metri) da nebismieri proeqti, romelic Semodis baTumis meriaSi, gansaxilvelad igzavneba kulturuli memkvidreobis sabWoze, anu kulturuli memkvidreobis saagento CarTulia am proeqtebis ganxilvaSi. aq raime tipis gamartiveba ar igegmeba. zogadad, Zeglebis reabilitaciaze ixarjeba Tanxebi, uaresobisken araferi igegmeba – piriqiT.
– ramdenad xSiria ukanono mSeneblobebi, ra problemebs giqmniT da rogor ebrZvis mas meria?
– ukanono mSeneblobebis problema rom aris qalaqSi, amas ver uarvyofT, Tumca sakanonmdeblo baza ris saSualebasac iZleva, imis mixedviT xdeba gamovlena da warmoebis dawyeba. samwuxarod, sakanonmdeblo baza ar iZleva pirdapir demontaJis SesaZleblobas. jer unda iyos gafrTxileba, Semdeg – dajarimeba, Semdeg sasamarTloSi SeiZleba gasaCivrdes. es ufro sxva samsaxuris prerogativaa, magram, zogadad, vambob. am SemTxvevaSic gasamkacrebelia kanonmdebloba, raTa moqalaqes ar hqondes imis gancda, rom raRacas ukanonod aaSenebs da mere droSi gaiweleba misi demontaJi, Tumca jarimebi gaormagebulia, yovel SemTxvevaSi, bevrad metia, vidre 2020 wlamde.
– SezRudvebis gamkacrebasTan erTad, albaT, nebarTvebis gacemac Semcirda. . .
– nebarTvebis gacema imitom Semcirda, rom, vTqvaT, 24 metrze maRali korpusis aSenebas iseTi kvlevebi sWirdeba, rom dRes magis resursebi an xalisi bevrs ar aqvs.
– ras etyviT imaT, romlebsac SeuZliaT investiciebis Cadeba aWaraSi, ra perspeqtivebi aqvT da ratom unda daabandon fuli uZrav qonebaSi?
– dRevandeli kanonmdebloba aZlevs garantias rogorc mSenebels, aseve uZravi qonebis myidvels, rom aaSeneben an SeiZenen binas dagegmarebul ubnebSi, sadac winaswar iqneba gansazRvruli, risi mSenebloba SeiZleba daigegmos momijnave miwis nakveTebzec, aqedan gamomdinare, bevrad ufro daculi iqneba maTi sacxovrebeli garemo, rom araferi vTqvaT imaze, rac isedac arsebobs – zRvisa da mTis landSaftis araCveulebrivi Serwyma.
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