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nazi abaSiZe (kaloTeli) xulos sazRvrispira sofel kaloTis mkvidria. aqaurebs mdidari istoriuli warsuli da dRevandeloba aqvT. amis dasturia saxalxo zeimi `kaloTloba~. kaloTelebma mravalmxrivi moRvaweobiT Sors gaitanes soflis saxeli. toponimi `kaloTa~ mniSvnelobiT sicocxlis saarsebo wyaros, purs ukavSirdeba, rac, udavod, dasturia mSobliuris gulwrfeli siyvarulisa. socialur qselSi gaCnda fsiqologiuri daxmarebis gverdi `kaloTeli~, romlis iniciatoric nazi abaSiZea (kaloTeli), pedagogi da poeti. saWiro fsiqologiuri, logopedis rCevebiT uangarod exmareba sazogadoebas. nazi `aWaris~ stumaria.

– Tu gaixsenebT pirvel nawarmoebs, romelic fsevdonimiT `kaloTeli~ dawereT?

– bavSvobidan vwer TiTqmis yvelaferze. maxsovs, rac ar momwonda an mwyinda iumoristul-komikurad vwerdi, avtors ar vuTiTebdi da vakvirdebodi, rogor reagirebdnen mkiTxvelebi, amas miTviseba mohyva, rac dasawyisSi maxarebda kidec, radgan vxedavdi, Cemi `naCmaxi~ moswondaT. mogvianebiT veRar gavimete sxvisTvis da fsevdonimi gamoviyene. maxsovs, 1999 wels telesivrce moicva Tanamedrove saqarTvelos groteskulma versiam `dardubala~. mTavari personaJi iyo qveynis prezidenti, yvela sikeTesTan erTad, `mocekvave~ varcxnilobiT. es gaxda inspiracia, rom sakmaod vrceli satiruli leqsis avtori gavmxdariyavi, romelic Cemi klaselebisgan skolis maSindeli direqtoris, baton levan mamulaZis xelSi aRmoCnda da, radganac avtori ar Canda, gazeT `xulos~ redaqciam am fsevdonimiT dabeWda.

– Tqveni babua – vladimeri (sanjaRa) xeobaSi da xuloSi cnobili adamiani iyo. misi roli Tqvens SemoqmedebaSi . . .

– sanjaRa Cemi Semoqmedebis arteriaa. cnobili iyo Tavisi iumoriT. miuxedavad tragizmiT savse cxovrebisa, optimisti iyo, cxovrebis umZimes dReebze zRapariviT gviambobda (gansakuTrebiT omis periodze), Tan gaazrebulad amaxinjebda sityvebs, magaliTad: `zamTaria, muxlamdea Tovli, Zlivs mivikvlev gzas da vxedav, rom joli (Joli) damwifebula, broweuliviT brdRvialebs. imferi Tovs, hama, imferi gavarvarebuli bzea (mzea), rom viwvi kaci~… babua paradoqsebis didostati iyo. Wibonze ukravda da drois met nawils wisqvilSi atarebda. Ambobda, pirveli sadRegrZelo swored mewisqvilem Tqva da es iyo – `Rele-Rardanis~. Rele xom aucilebelia wisqvilis RarSi gaiaros da daabrunos borbali, romelzec umZimesi qvebi alagia simindis dasaRerRad, aseve aucilebelia simindi, romelic xarodan RardanSi eSveba, mokled Tu es mTlianoba sufevs, ese igi sofels SimSili ar emuqreba da Rele-Rardani swored maZRari soflisa da xalxis gadarCenis sadRgrZeloao. marTlac, wisqvili xom didebuli konstantaa . . . babuas arasodes hqonda Tavisufali dro, weris saSualeba (saweri saSualebac), Torem darwmunebuli var, didebuli mwerali iqneboda. babua is adamiani iyo, viszec dausruleblad SemiZlia saubari, magram ar minda Tavi SegawyinoT da mxolod erT epizods gavixseneb: kaloTlebi cnobili arian azartuli TamaSebis siyvaruliT da yvela mogeb-wagebis qeifiT dagvirgvinebiT, ZiriTadad, soflis centrSi Seikribebian xolme, zogjer saxeldaxelod waupiknikeben. babua brazdeboda mSralad mirTmeul dasalevze, radgan axlos cxovrobda, xan Tavisi xeliT miitanda, minimum, pursa da yvels, xan vinmes gaagzavnida da daabarebda: jave (mJave-mwnili) wamoiReTo. erT dResac bevrjer gaugzavnia bavSvi, mezobels moridebiT uTqvams – sanjaR tai, gveyofa dRes, xvalac xom gvinda rameo. amaze Taviseburi, ulvaSebSi CacinebiT upasuxia: – dergi savsea, WameT, SeirgeTo . . . ukvdavi megona Cemi babua . . . boloxans mTxova, sanam cocxali var, pensias gamomrCi da soflisa da sagvareulos istoriuli krebuli gaakeTeo (vmuSaob am mimarTulebiT). sikvdilis wina dRiT mesenjeriT dagvireka CatSi `sanjaRas axloblebi~ da yvelas, gansakuTrebiT SviliSvilebs gamogvemSvidoba, gvTxova, erTad vimReroTo, Tan `amaRamdelo Rameo~ daiwyo, tiriliT avyevi, is ki iRimoda . . . es iyo gedis ukanaskneli simRera. saqmes Sealia Tavisi cxovreba, tyesa da RreSi, saTib-samkalSi `Tormeti wlis jeiranoo~ dasWeqda da guls amoayolebda (11 wlis daoblda da umZimes pirobebSi gaizarda aTi dedmamiSvili). bebias gardacvalebis Semdeg moTqmiT tiroda da TiTqmis yovel wuTs amoioxrebda `of, anijano~ . . . Tamamad vambob, rom Cemi gulis nawilia, mas Semdeg, rac imierSi gagvifrinda, pesimizmi Semomepara da miWirs Tavis daRweva. aqamde megona, rom sofeli miyvarda, Tan Zalian da iqaurobis gareSe ver viarsebebdi . . . zafxulSi dagvtova Cemma sanCom da yvelaze uferuli Semodgoma dadga kaloTaSi. adre bebias gamo gavunawyendi samyaros, magram babuam `Semariga~, TviTonac rom wavida, meuRlesTan, or gogonasa da or vaJTan, CemTvis yvelaze sayvareli sezoni zamTari aRar movida! kaloTaSi arcerTi nivTi araa sanjaRas xelSeuxebeli, yvelafers suls udgamda ubadlo ostati. qalaqidan roca avdivar, mgonia garSemo jer kidev glovobs yvelaferi. misi siyvaruliT naSenebi wisqvilebi, saxlebi, misi gakeTebuli saxelosno iaraRebi, balaxi, qva da kenWebic ki. sdums sanjaRas celica da culic, gaCerebulia kedelze dakidebuli majis saaTi . . .

– ratom arCieT sabavSvo baRSi aRmzrdelad muSaoba?

– bavSvebis siyvarulma magnitiviT mimizada da mimajaWva kidec.

– rogor umklavdebiT cxovrebiseul problemebs?

– vTvli, rom ar arsebobs dasasruli (ase hqvia Cems pirvel wignsac `dabadebidan dabadebamde~), yovel problemas axal SesaZleblobad aRviqvam da vcdilob, saintereso sivrce gavSalo. es unari damexmara pandemiis Jamsac: araerTi saxaliso aqtivoba da onlainwignebis prezentacia daviwye. pandemiam sul sxva TvaliT dagvanaxa samyaro, meti gageba, azrTa gacvla da codnis gaziareba gvaswavla.

– mravali sigelis da diplomis mflobeli, romels gamoarCevdiT?

– inkluziuri ganaTlebis elCi-2022.

– SemoqmedebaSi romeli sWarbobs – pesimizmi Tu optimizmi?

– optimizmi.

– genetika gamoZaxils mudam hpovebs. gvarSi saxalxo mTqmels Tu gaixsenebT?

– gamovyofdi Cemi papis papa dursuns, romelic ganTqmuli meleqse yofila. amasTan, ise ukravda salamurze, nebismiers aacekvebdao. maxsendeba beglar abaSiZe, romelic amasTan erTad udidesi Zalis patroni iyo da rom dascloda, albaT cnobili mZleosani iqneboda. aseve poeti iyo biZaCemi mixeili, romelic 23 wlis asakSi, rogorc beglari, tragikulad daiRupa da, samwuxarod, daikarga misi leqsebic, romlebic germaniaSi gatarebuli wlebis avtobiografiuli gamoZaxili iyo.

– Tu gqoniaT SemTxveva, rom dawerili leqsi dagemalaT?

-ki . . . metic, rveulic damixevia, damiwvia kidec, rasac dRes Zalian vnanob.

– mravali diplomisa da sigelis mflobeli, romels gamoarCevT?

– vTvli, rom Tu gaqvs pretenzia, aswavlo, TviTonac Seuwyvetlad unda swavlobde. esaa mizezi, rom mudmivad var CarTuli siaxlis ZiebaSi, dReisaTvis asze meti sertifikati damigrovda, gamovyofdi `metaforuli baraTebi, qouCingsa da fsiqokonsultirebaSi~.

– TanaavtorobiT gamocemuli wignebidan romelia gansakuTrebuli da isev Tu muSaobT am mimarTulebiT?

– jerjerobiT mxolod ramdenime krebulis Tanaavtori var, maTgan pirveli iyo `werilebi baTumsa da baTumelebs~. mas maleve mohyva `siyvarulis oda~ da `Cveni xma~. axla gamoica `angelozebis samyaroSi~, romlis ideac baRSi gatarebulma wlebma STamagona, frTaSesxmaSi ki damexmara organizacia `mwignobaris~ direqtori, qalbatoni manana wulukiZe. vimedovneb, male ixilavs samzeos kidev erTi TanaavtorTa krebuli `pandemielebi~, romlis ideac aseve, sofel kaloTis mkvidrs, Cems Zmas gia abaSiZes ekuTvnis.

– stumarTmoyvare ojaxi gyavT. mama – levani mraval Rirseul pirovnebas maspinZlobs. maTgan vin SemorCa Tqvens mexsierebas?

– latvieli Jurnalisti evelina, romelic Cvens ojaxSi SemTxveviT da carieli safuliT aRmoCnda. raRac gadmoricxvas elodeboda, romelic dagvianda da aTi dRis maspinZlobis Semdeg, Cemi ojaxis finansuri daxmarebiT, ukan gaemgzavra. saxlSi vxumrobdiT xolme, turistic aseTi unda miiRoo . . . ori wlis Semdeg mTaSi viRac qalma gaazrebulad gadmokveTa sazRvari da kbilebamde SeiaraRebuli, dedaCemis – Jenia gundaZis naxvas iTxovda. maxsovs rogor SegveSinda. deda Seupovari qalia, is iaraRSemarTul qalbatons mSvidad miuaxlovda da Turqulad sTxova viTarebis axsna. qali dedas gadaexvia, saxidan niRabi moixsna . . . rom ar gavagrZelo, Cveni evelina siurprizad mogvevlina. aRmoCnda, rom ver daejerebina usasyidlo maspinZloba da `valis~ dasabruneblad gveZebda.

– sofeli cnobilia mravalSviliani dedebiT, rogor eferebiT maT saxelebs?

– damafiqrebeli kiTxvaa . . . mravalSvilianobiT amayobdnen Cemi bebiebi. mamis deda liliana, meore msoflio omSi dakarguli jefar baTniZis erTaderTi qaliSvili, Svidi Svilis deda gaxldaT, dedaCemis deda ki, naTela jabniZe, Teqvsmeti Svilis mSobelia, orive maTgans poema mivuZRveni. dedaCemma xuTi Svili moavlina samyaroSi. dabadebidan ormocdaaTi wlisTavze leqsebis krebuliT `dedis Tvalebi~ gavaxare, gavakeTe is, rac xelmewifeba.

– qarTveli klasikosi, romlis Semoqmedeba samagido wignad gaqvT?

– nodar dumbaZe.

– ramdenad warmatebulad migaCniaT Semoqmedi, romelic aqtiur politikaSia CarTuli?

– SemoqmedebiTi wva da warmateba yvelagan saWiro da misasalmebelia. ratomac ara . . .

– jer kidev axalgazrduli asaki gaqvT, rogor iziarebT ukraineli dedebis beds?

– Zneli saTqmelia vinmes bedis gaziareba, miT ufro dedis . . . vTanamSromlob ukrainelebisaTvis Seqmnil daxmarebis fondTan . . . vloculob, mjera, dedis locvas udidesi Zala aqvs.

– ras ityodiT intervius bolos?

– madlobas. maxarebs Tqveni gazeTis yuradReba, minda, SemoqmedebiT koleqtivs gisurvoT janmrTeloba da warmateba. dae, mSvidobian samyaroSi, meti siyvaruliT gvecxovros.