ბექა დიასამიძე: მხოლოდ აქტიური სამოქალაქო საზოგადოება არის ჩვენი ქვეყნის სტაბილური განვითარების გარანტი
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axlaxan evrokavSirma sam postsabWoTa qveyanasTan dakavSirebiT mniSvnelovani gadawyvetileba miiRo – ukrainas da moldovas evrokavSiris wevrobis kandidatis statusi mianiWa, Cvens qveyanasTan dakavSirebiT ki evropuli perspeqtivis miniWebiT Semoifargla da wlis bolomde vada misca, rom daakmayofilos evrokavSiris moTxovnebi
aAm faqtma opozicia da xelisufleba kvlav erTmaneTs daapirispira, rasac daerTo mravalaTasiani mitingi TbilisSi. Aaxlad Seqmnilma saxalxo moZraobam RaribaSvilis gadayeneba da erovnuli Tanxmobis mTavrobis Seqmna gaaJRera da xelisuflebas ultimatumi wauyena – 3 ivlisamde moTxovnebis arSesrulebis SemTxvevaSi opoziciuri partiebi erovnul daumorCileblobas aanonseben. . .
Seasrulebs Tu ara xelisufleba momitingeTa moTxovnebs, ramdenad erTiania opozicia da evrokavSiris verdiqti ramdenad samarTliani iyo? – am da sxva mniSvnelovan sakiTxebze pasuxis gacemas amjerad `strategia aRmaSeneblis~ aWaris organizaciis xelmZRvaneli beqa diasamiZe Seecdeba.
– rogor fiqrobT, evrokavSirs jerjerobiT ar mivaCnivarT mzad maT ojaxSi gawevrianebisTvis?
– faqtobrivad, gaeciT Tqvens kiTxvaze pasuxi. mxolod imas davamatebdi, rom ukrainasac da moldovasac aqvT garkveuli winapirobebi Sesasrulebeli, magram, saqarTvelosgan gansxvavebiT, maT ndobis mandati aqvT. Cven gviTxres, jer gaatareT reformebi da mere davakmayofilebT Tqvens ganacxadso. mTavrobam araferi gaakeTa Cveni evrointegraciisTvis, ufro sworad, yvelaferi gaakeTa imisTvis, rom saqarTvelos evro struqturebTan urTierToba gafuWebuliyo. imis nacvlad, rom mmarTvel partias wevri qveynebis warmomadgenlobasTan aqtiuri molaparakeba ewarmoebina, werovanSi lokokinebis fermis gaxsniT, Cveni evropeli megobrebis lanZRviTa da salobies iubilis aRniSvniT iyvnen mTeli es dro dakavebulni.
– mmarTveli partia opozicias adanaSaulebs, kandidatis statusi rom ver miviReT. ramdenad safuZvliania maTi argumentebi da pretenziebi am mimarTebiT?
– ra Tqma unda usafuZvloa. opoziciam Tavisi valdebulebebis farglebSi da metic – mTavrobis magivradac Zalian aqtiurad imuSava evrokavSiris qveynebTan. `strategia aRmaSeneblis~ iniciativiT, romelic Aldes–is ojaxis wevria, evropul partiebs erTobliv yrilobaze miaRebina saqarTvelos mxardamWeri rezolucia. Cveni da sxva opoziciuri partiebis aqtiuroba rom ara, didi albaTobiT, SesaZloa, evrokavSirs saqarTvelosTvis wevrobis kandidatis perspeqtivac ki ar moeca. axla kidev gvaqvs SesaZlebloba, dekembramde gacemuli rekomendaciebi gaviTvaliswinoT da mTavroba vaiZuloT, reformebi gaataros.
– xelisufleba imasac acxadebs, rom evropa mikerZoebuli iyo, moldovasgan gansxvavebiT, saqarTvelo imsaxurebda kandidatis statuss. . .
– erTi ram unda gvesmodes: evrokavSirSi gawevrianebiT Cveni adgili unda davikavoT iq da ara moldovasi. moldovas miiReben Tu ara, es araviTar kavSirSia saqarTvelosTan. qveynis saerTo evropuli ojaxis wevroba unikaluri funqciebis matarebeli unda iyos. aravisTan Sesadarebeli ar viqnebiT da saxelmwifos mSeneblobaSi Cvens sakeTebels Tavad SevasrulebT. maSin ar gaCndeba Cveni gawevrianebis kuTxiT kiTxvebi. rac Seexeba ukrainasa da moldovas, wrfeli guliT vulocav kandidatis statusis miRebas. warmatebebi maT! imedi viqonioT, rom saqarTveloc male SeuerTdeba maT rigebs.
– evrokomisiis mier dawesebul eqvsTvian vadaSi ra unda gaakeTos xelisuflebam evrokavSiris kandidatis statusis misaRebad?
– Seasrulos is 12-punqtiani gegma, rac evrokavSirma gamogvigzavna. daiwyos reformebi sasamarTloSi iq Camoyalibebuli klanis mosaSoreblad, gaaTavisuflos politpatimrebi, moaxdinos deoligarqizacia, aRkveTos Tavisufal sityvaze da Jurnalistebze Zaladobis faqtebi da damnaSaveebi dasajos, Seqmnas Tavisufali saarCevno garemo da sxva.
– saqarTvelosTvis evrokavSiris wevrobis kandidatis statusis miniWebis SemTxvevaSi, ra perspeqtivebi gveqneba?
– ukeTesi jandacvisa da ganaTlebis sistema, ganviTarebuli ekonomika, bavSvebisTvis – ukeTesi garemo, iafi kreditebi, eqsportisTvis – mravalmilioniani gasaRebis bazari, ganviTarebuli agroseqtori, demokratiuli garemo da pirovnuli ganviTarebis meti SesaZleblobebi. es im sikeTeebis arasruli CamonaTvalia, rac elodeba saqarTvelos evrokavSirSi gawevrianebis Semdeg, statusis miReba ki erTi didi, win gadadgmuli nabiji iqneba miznis misaRwevad.
– ra Tqma unda, gverds ver avuvliT TbilisSi gamarTul demonstraciebs. aRiniSna, rom iwyeba axali erovnuli moZraoba, romlis mizania xelisuflebis Secvla da riggareSe arCevnebis Catareba. es moTxovnebi ramdenad miRwevadia?
– miRwevadia, Tu TiToeuli Cvengani gaiTavisebs Tavis moqalaqeobriv pasuxismgeblobas qveynis winaSe da quCaSi gamova, raTa mSvidobiani gziT sakuTari da Svilebis momavali daicvas, radgan xelisufleba ukan, sabWoTa kavSirSi, migvaTrevs. Tu `qarTuli ocneba~ gons ar moegeba da ar Seismens xalxis xmas, male ar Seudgeba 12-punqtiani gegmis Sesrulebas, maSin xalxs ufleba aqvs, moiTxovos mTavrobis gadadgoma da axali saparlamento arCevnebis Catareba. arsebobs erTi martivi WeSmariteba, politikosebi maSin ar iTvaliswineben xalxis mosazrebebs, roca es ukanaskneli xmamaRla ar afiqsirebs mas. mxolod aqtiuri samoqalaqo sazogadoeba aris Cveni qveynis stabiluri ganviTarebis garanti.
– arsebobs mosazreba, rom am mitingebis ZiriTadi warmmarTveli `nacmoZraobaa~ da saqarTvelos mosaxleobis umravlesoba opoziciis paToss ar iziarebs. . .
– viyavi evrokavSiris mxardamWer aqciaze da yvelaferi sakuTari TvaliT vnaxe, maT Soris – ra kategoriis xalxi iyo quCaSi gamosuli da ra ganwyobebiT. TbilisSi, rusTavelis gamzirze da did qalaqebSi gamosuli xalxi aris saqarTvelos moqalaqeebis im 80%-is erTi nawili, vinc Cveni qveynis evrointegraciis momxrea. kidev erTxel vimeoreb, Tu xelisufleba ar Sewyvets qveynisTvis saziano politikis warmoebas, CaTvalos, rom iq mdgomi yvela moqalaqe da, maT Soris, is adamianebi, vinc am etapze ver gamovidnen, maT winaaRmdeg miscems xmas. unda gvesmodes, rom saqarTvelos evrointegracia zepartiuli movlenaa da Tu romelime politikuri Zala am miznis misaRwevad ar imuSavebs, droSis feris miuxedavad, Cveni moqalaqeebi maT politikur sanagveze gauSveben.
– eqspertebis nawilis azriT, mmarTveli partia Seecdeba, opoziciaSi ganxeTqileba Seitanos, opoziciuri speqtri ramdenad erTiania am gamowvevis gamklavebisTvis?
– Cveni moqalaqeebis aqtiuroba imdenad maRalia (imedia, es paTosi momavalSic SenarCundeba), rom arc pozicias da arc opozicias sxva gamosavali ar darCeba garda erTisa, daemorCilon xalxis nebas. sxva scenari ar ganixileba, radgan gabrazebuli xalxi amis uflebas ar mogvcems. es iqneba momavali koaliciuri mTavrobisTvis platformis momzadebis kargi SesaZlebloba.
– politikosebi (mamuka gamyreliZe giga bokeria. . .) acxadeben, rom Tu opozicias surs mmarTvel partias seriozuli dartyma miayenos. saparlamento opoziciam unda datovos parlamenti, ras fiqrobT?
– Tu gadavxedavT 12-punqtian gegmas, misi didi nawili Sarl miSelis SeTanxmebis valdebulebebs iTvaliswinebs. swored Sarl miSelis dokumentis valdebulebebis gauTvaliswineblobam gamoiwvia, rom dRes ukrainisa da moldovasgan gansxvavebiT, kandidatis statusi ar gagvaCnia. kargad gavixsenoT, ratom movawereT xeli, maT Soris `strategia aRmaSenebelma~ am SeTanxmebas, unda SevsuliyaviT parlamentSi da iqidan dagvewyo am 12-punqtiani reformebis gatareba. ise, unda aRiniSnos, rom `strategia aRmaSenebeli~ SeTanxmebuli punqtebis erTguli darCa bolomde, ase rom, ar veTanxebi arcerT politikoss vinc fiqrobs, rom parlamentSi Sesvla Secdoma iyo, piriqiT – yvelas rom daecva SeTanxmeba, dRes radikalurad sxva situaciaSi aRmovCndebodiT.
– sxvaTa Soris, eqspertebi imasac acxadeben, rom riggareSe arCevnebis Catarebas azri ar eqneba, Tu cesko ar Seicvleba da arCevnebi eleqtronuli sistemiT ar Catardeba. . .
– morigi arCevnebis Catareba drois sakiTxia. rac Seexeba eleqtronul sistemas, aq bevri gamowvevis winaSe vdgavarT rogorc teqnikuri, ise samarTlebrivi TvalsazrisiT, romlebic 2-3 TveSi ar gadaiWreba.
– Tu saqarTvelom wlis bolomde ver miiRo gawevrianebis statusi, es ramdenad daazaralebs Cvens qveyanas saxelmwifoebriobis ganmtkicebis TvalsazrisiT?
– ar minda amaze fiqri. sul mcire, kidev 20-30 wliT Seferxdeba Cveni qveynis ganviTareba.
– dasasrul sagareo sakiTxsac SevexoT: ruseT-ukrainis omis Sedegi, ZiriTadad, ra faqtorebze iqneba damokidebuli da ukrainisadmi dasavleTis mxardaWera ramdenad mniSvnelovania?
– dasavleTis mxardaWera, bunebrivia, Zalian mniSvnelovania. mTavari ukraineli xalxis Seupovrobaa, magram 21-e saukuneSi xmliT da fariT ver ibrZoleb, amitom dasavleTis daxmareba iaraRiT am omis ukrainelebis sasargeblod damTavrebis winapirobaa. imedia, misi SeiaraRebuli Zalebi male gadavlen aqtiur kontrSeteviT fazaSi.

