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qveynis ganviTarebas mniSvnelovnad zrdis axalgazrdebis nayofieri saqmianoba, sxvadasxva sferoSi maTi aqtiuroba da CarTuloba mimdinare politikur procesebSi
es gansakuTrebiT aqtualuria, radgan qarTuli politikuri speqtris ganaxleba erT-erTi yvelaze seriozuli problemaa saqarTveloSi. meoTxedi saukunea, erTi da igive saxeebi Semogvyureben politikuri arenidan da axlebis gamoCenas, garkveulwilad, aferxeben. am fonze gansakuTrebiT sagulisxmo da misasalmebelia, rom politikur arenaze TandaTan Cndebian perspeqtiuli axalgazrdebi, romlebic, imedia, male gaimyareben poziciebs da Tavs daimkvidreben.
Cndeba kiTxvebi: ra gamowvevebi arsebobs axalgazrdebisTvis politikaSi mosvlis gzaze da ras niSnavs, iyo aqtiuri axalgazrda? am da sxva mniSvnelovan sakiTxebze gvesaubreba `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ aWaris axalgazrduli organizaciis xelmZRvaneli aleqsandre fifia.
– mogviyeviT ganvlil gzaze. . .
– daaxloebiT 15 wlis viyavi, rodesac qarTuli politikis mimarT interesi gamiCnda. mag droisTvis, ra Tqma unda, siRrmiseulad ar SemeZlo konkretul politikur sakiTxebSi garkveva, magram zedapirulad rasac vxedavdi, egec sakmarisi aRmoCnda im azris Camosayalibeblad, rom qarTveli eri bevrad ukeTess imsaxurebs. am asakidanve gamiCnda arsebuli realobis Secvlis SemarTeba da survili, magram amisTvis arc gamocdileba da arc cnobierebis Sesabamisi done mqonda. Tumca, gamaCnda yvelaze mniSvnelovani – motivacia da imedi.
– `lelo saqarTvelosTvis~ aWaris axalgazrduli organizaciis xelmZRvaneli xarT. ram gadagawyvetinaT am partiaSi Sesvla?
– Tavidanve vicodi, rom miznis misaRwevad mWirdeboda Sesabamis sociumSi integrireba. 19 wlamde, polarizebuli garemos da mZime politikuri viTarebis gamo, Tavs vikavebdi romelime politikur gaerTianebaSi gawevrianebisgan, vinaidan mWirdeboda garemo, sadac vigrZnobdi, rom iq myofebisTvis mniSvnelovani da prioritetulia axalgazrdebis, am qveynis momavali Taobis warmomadenlebis ganviTareba, TviTrealizeba da maTTvis swori mimarTulebebis micema. mWirdeboda gundi, romelTan erTadac popularizacias gavuwevdiT swor ideebsa da xedvebs, romlebic mimarTuli iqneboda mxolod da mxolod saxelmwifos ganviTarebasa da progreszec. 19-20 wlis asakSi, Cemi megobris daxmarebiT, aRmovaCine gundi, romelic Cems `kriteriumebs~ akmayofilebda. `lelom~ Cems molodinebs gadaaWarba kidec da yoveldRiurad siamayis gancda maqvs, vrwmundebi, rom amaze karg arCevans ver gavakeTebdi. vTvli, rom aq gavizarde, avimaRle politikuri cnobierebis done, vigrZeni, rom aq adamianebi erTsulovnad ibrZvian arsebuli realobis ukeTesobisken Sesacvlelad. mabednierebs, rom am didi ojaxis srulfasovani wevri var.
– ramdenad mniSvnelovania, iyo aqtiuri axalgazrda qveynis sakeTildReod. . .
– umniSvnelovanesia! iyo aqtiuri axalgazrda, niSnavs, iyo saqarTvelos naTeli momavlis garanti. TiToeul adamians individualur prioritetTa sakuTari sia aqvs da Zalian bevr axalgazrdas vicnob, vis zemoxsenebul siaSic am qveynis keTildReoba pirvel adgilzea da es maimedebs. samwuxarod, msgavs axalgazrdebs ganviTarebaSi xels uSlian is Zalebi, romlebisTvisac erovnuli interesebi meaTexarisxovania. CamoSlilia ganaTlebis sistema, ris gamoc axalgazrdebs euflebaT uperspeqtivobis gancda. dRes studentisTvis yvelaze did warmatebad sazRvargareT ganaTlebis miReba rom iTvleba, es piradad me problemad mimaCnia. ra Tqma unda, TiToeuls gulwrfelad vusurveb warmatebas. siZulvilis enisa da nihilizmis Tesvas saxelisuflebo Zalebisgan kidev ufro intensiurad vxvdebiT, es uimedobas iwvevs, amitomac cdiloben niWieri axalgazrdebi saqarTvelodan wasvlas.
– rogor SeafasebT axalgazrdebis sazogadoebriv-politikur cxovrebaSi CarTulobas?
– rogorc aRvniSne, Cems qalaqSi sakmaod bevr axalgazrdas vicnob, visTvisac Cveni qveynis keTildReoba prioritetulia. isini aqtiurad arian sazogadoebriv-politikur cxovrebaSi CarTulni da dauRalavad Sromoben miznis misaRwevad. zustad gvaqvs gacnobierebuli, ramdenad mniSvnelovania am procesebSi axalgazrdebis roli.
– ra ZiriTadi gamowvevebia axalgazrdebis politikaSi mosvlis TvalsazrisiT?
– rodesac axalgazrda iRebs politikaSi mosvlis gadawyvetilebas, mas unda hqondes gacnobierebuli, rom win uamravi gamowveva elis. upirveles yovlisa, ar unda SeuSindes stigmebs da nasrol talaxs, radgan am meTodma, gansakuTrebiT dRevandeli xelisuflebis pirobebSi, daimkvidra Tavi da adamianebis diskreditacia yoveldRiurad xdeba.
– ra aris saWiro, axalgazrdebi ufro metad rom CaerTon qveynisTvis mniSvnelovani sakiTxebis gadawyvetaSi?
– axalgazrdebs sWirdebaT motivacia da xelSewyoba. saWiroa samoqalaqo Segnebis amaRleba, saganmanaTleblo dawesebulebebSi amaze aqtiuri muSaoba.
– eqspertebi acxadeben, rom axalgazrdebis politikaSi mosvlas garkveulwilad, `Zveli saxeebi~ blokaven, romlebic 25 welia, politikaSi `livliveben~. . .
– piradad me es `molivlive~ sazogadoeba motivacias maZlevs – maT rom vuyureb, zustad vxvdebi, rogori politikosi ar unda viyo. cvlilebebi da siaxleebi saWiroa, mas ar unda SevuSindeT, roca vxvdebiT, rom ukve sakmaod didi xania, erTi adgilis tkepniT varT dakavebulni.
– mniSvnelovani procesebi viTardeba qveyanaSi da mis farglebs gareT: saxalxo moZraoba premier-ministris (RaribaSvilis) gadadgomas iTxovs. ramdenad miRwevadia es moTxovna?
– CemTvis arsebiTi mniSvneloba ar aqvs, premieris postze `qarTuli ocnebis~ reJimis dros RaribaSvili iqneba Tu mdinaraZe. es is SemTxvevaa, roca SesakrebTa gadanacvlebiT jami ar icvleba. RaribaSvilis gadadgomis SemTxvevaSi meore RaribaSvili mova da kvlav antisaxelmwifoebrivi ideis popularizaciiT dakavdeba. miT umetes, aSkaraa, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ kompromisze wamosvlas ar apirebs.
– Tu momavalSi evrokomisiam kvlav ar mogvaniWa kandidatis statusi, Cvens qveyanas es ramdenad daazaralebs saxelmwifoebriobis TvalsazrisiT?
– Sedegebi fataluri iqneba! es igivea, axalgazrdebs ganviTarebis perspeqtiva waarTva da am Sedegebze pasuxismgebelobis aRebas xelisufleba ukve gaurbis. kandidatis statusis miReba evrointegraciis procesSi udidesi wingadadgmuli nabijia, evrointegracia ki jansaR ganaTlebis sistemas, ekonomikur stabilurobas, met samuSao adgils, damoukidebel sasamarTlos, mediis, sityvis, Tavisuflebis upirobod dacvas niSnavs. am yvelafris xelidan gaSveba udidesi danaSauli iqneba.
– romeli politikosia (qarTveli Tu ucxoeli) TqvenTvis misaRebi Tavisi moRvaweobiT?
– me sakmaod emociuri var, SeiZleba axalgazrduli asakis gamoc, magram zustad es emociebi da gancdebi maZlevs brZolis da realobis Secvlis stimuls. vfiqrob, saqarTvelos mimarT siyvarulia zustad is, rac Cemi miznebis miRwevaSi damexmareba. mTavaria, gacnobierebuli gqondes, risTvis da ratom ibrZvi. warsuli drois politikosebidan merab kostavas gamovarCev. mis mimarTvebs rom vuyureb, statiebsa da interviuebs vkiTxulob, vxvdebi, rom am qveynis mimarT usazRvro siyvaruli amoZravebda. Tanamedrove politikosebs Soris irakli kupraZes davasaxeleb, romelmac Tavidanve didi STabeWdileba damitova. Seupovari axalgazrdaa, vinc ar icis, ukan daxeva ras niSnavs, samarTliani da niWieria. uamravi brZolis istoria aqvs jer kidev studentobis periodidan.
– dabolos, romeli cxovrebiseuli problemis gadawyveta migaCniaT Tanamedrove pirobebSi yvelaze saSurad?
– im problemis, romelic masobrivad aCens sazogadoebaSi nihilizms da uimedobis gancdas, umuSevrobas da siRaribes. pirvel rigSi, yvela am problemis mogvarebaze unda vifiqroT.
