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ani aminaSvili Teatraluri institutis warmatebuli da gamorCeuli studentia, amave dros mniSvnelovan aqtivobebs axorcielebs. amas mowmobs mis mier Seqmnili organizacia `ucnobi megobari~, romlis farglebSi, saokupacio xazTan mosaxleobas exmareba ekonomikuri problemebis mogvarebaSi. niWieri axalgazrda apirebs wignis gamocemasac, romelSic Tavs mouyris adamianebis istoriebs, ZiriTadad, saokupacio xazTan mcxovreblebis. ufro mets Cveni interviudan gaigebT.
– TeatriT rodis dainteresdiT?
– Teatri bavSvobidan CemTvis sayvareli adgili iyo. maxsovs, dedaCemma pirvelad rusTavelis TeatrSi speqtaklze `Sobis meTormete Rame, anu rogorc geneboT~ wamiyvana da es iyo dauviwyari STabeWdileba. maSin 6 Tu 7 wlis viyavi da maxsovs, momdevno ramdenime dRe am speqtakls isev TamaSobdnen, me ki sul erTi da imave adgilas vijeqi da speqtakls vuyurebdi. mgoni, es iyo TeatriT pirveli mojadoeba da mas Semdeg sxva profesiaze arc davfiqrebulvar. Zalian unda giyvardes Teatri, sxvagvarad, iq yofnas ver SeZleb~ – meubneboda dedaCemi da amas bolomde verasdros vigebdi, magram axla, 22 wlis asakSi, zustad vici, ras gulisxmobda.
– studentoba erT-erTi yvelaze saukeTeso periodia axalgazrdisTvis, miT umetes, Teatraluri universitetis studentisTvis, gviambeT amis Sesaxeb. . .
– geTanxmebiT, namdvilad saocari periodia studentoba da gansakuTrebiT Teatralur universitetSi. miuxedavad imisa, rom Zalian bevr sirTules vxvdebiT, mainc raRac mijaWvuloba ar gvaZlevs saSualebas, iqaurobas movcildeT. me da Cemi jgufelebi mTel Cvens dros universitetSi vatarebT. aq rom modixar, gaanalizebuli unda gqondes, rom yvelaferze uari unda Tqva, rac universitetis gareT xdeba. Tavisufali drois deficiti gvaqvs yvela students, magram Tuki is Cndeba, diskomforts ganvicdiT. Cems SemTxvevaSi asea. Zalian rom viRlebi, aRaraferi minda. ubralod, msurs viwve, meZinos da didi xnis ganmavlobaSi aravin gamaRviZos. axla, roca davamTavreT leqciebi, repeticiebi, speqtaklebi da SegviZlia, davisvenoT, ver vaxerxebT. TiTqos isev iq gvinda, im giJur reJimSi, radgan ase vcxovrobT sami welia da sxvanairad ver warmogvidgenia. sabolood imis Tqma minda, rom bevri gulistkenis, cremlis, konfliqtisa da problemis miuxedavad, es is adgilia, romelic gviWers, gvixutebs da arsad gviSvebs, albaT imitom, rom gviyvars is profesia, romelsac vapirebT, Cveni mTeli cxovreba mivuZRvnaT.
– Teatris samyaroSi damkvidreba, rogorc cnobilia, Zalian Znelia. mzad xarT amisTvis?
– diax, ra Tqma unda. es albaT yvelas gaanalizebuli aqvs, vinc am profesias irCevs. iciT, amaze rom vifiqro, bevrad ufro gamiWirdeba. ubralod, vcdilob, dinebas mivyve da saiTac wamiRebs, iqiT waval. amaze winaswar ar vfiqrob. . . erTaderTi, razec vfiqrob, aris is, rom sakuTari pirovneba ar davkargo, danarCeni ki ise moxdeba, rogorc ukeTesi iqneba.
– ani, Tqven mier daarsebul organizacias `ucnobi megobari~ uwodeT. saintereso ganacxadia. ra aris am organizaciis Seqmnis mizani?
– iciT, es yvelaferi ise spontanurad moxda, rom mec ver gavaanalize bolomde. yvelaferi isev da isev Teatraluri universitetidan daiwyo. metyvelebis leqciaze visxediT da CemTvis usayvarles leqtor eka quTaTelaZesTan erTad ganvixilavdiT Cvens momaval gamocdas. omze vlaparakobdiT da svetlana aleqseeviCis wignidan vkiTxulobdiT namdvil ambebs. rogorc Cans, am ambebma saocrad imoqmeda Cemze da Rame sizmari vnaxe. am sizmars, jerjerobiT, CemTvis Sevinaxav. meore dRes zustad vicodi, gorSi unda Cavsuliyavi da 2008 wlis ambebi momesmina, ambebi, romelTa Sesaxebac aravin icis. ramdenime dRis ganmavlobaSi veZebdi am adamianebs, sxvadasxva adgilas vrekavdi da sabolood salome sanikiZem damakavSira daviT xelaSvilTan. ramdenime dReSi daviTs qvemo WalaSi Sevxvdi da daviZariT gorisken. gzaSi Zalian bevr raRacas miyveboda da imdeni ambavi damigrovda mxolod am 40 wuTSi, rom ukve vfiqrobdi, rogor momeyara am yvelafrisTvis Tavi. is dRe sakmaod mZime da damRleli aRmoCnda. ukve gviani iyo, ukan rom vbrundebodiT. swored, ukana gzaze momiyva daviTi erTi ojaxis ambavs, romlis daxmarebasac TviTon cdilobda, magram bevris gakeTeba ar SeeZlo. ar vici, ratom, magram vTxove, iqneb SeviaroT da gamacno es xalxi-meTqi. sakmaod gviani iyo. Cveulebriv, ucxo adamianebs am dros saxlSi ar vakiTxav, magram am SemTxvevaSi, ar vici, ra moxda. ai, im saxlSi rom mivedi da is sami saocari bavSvi vnaxe, mivxvdi, maTi cxovreba odnav mainc unda gameferadebina. mas Semdeg bevri ojaxis Sesaxeb momawoda informacia daviTma, me ki rac SemiZlia, yvelafris gakeTebas vcdilob.
rac Seexeba organizaciis saxels, Cemi megobris – luka kalatoziSvilis damsaxurebaa. didi xnis win vlaparakobdiT msgavs organizaciaze da maSin momawoda idea, me ki kargad davimaxsovre. im ojaxidan rom davbrundi, sxva saxelze arc mifiqria. adamianebi, romlebic am ojaxebTan raRacebs matanen, maTTvis xom ucnobi megobrebi arian, maT Soris – mec.
– cxadia, aseTi organizaciis Seqmnis mesveurebs, garkveulwilad, mosaxleobis pulsi unda esmodeT, miT ufro, rom Tqven saokupacio xazTan daucvel adamianebs exmarebiT, ra aris amJamad maTi umTavresi problema?
– imdeni problemaa iq, rom CamoTvlasac azri ar aqvs. dasaqmebis problema, albaT, yvelaze aqtualuria, radgan iq ar arsebobs normaluri samsaxuri. zamTarSi saerTod verafris gakeTebas ver axerxebs mosaxleoba. . . amitom es Tu mogvardeba, Cemze bednieri adamiani ar iqneba. Tu am adamianebs eqnebaT dasaqmebis saSualeba, es maT problemebs Seamsubuqebs. aRar ifiqreben, ra aWamon TavianT Svilebs, ra Caacvan, wamali rogor iyidon da a.S rom SemeZlos, erT did qarxanas avaSenebdi axlo-maxlo da yvelas davasaqmebdi. es saocri iqneboda. aseve, erT-erTi Zalian didi problema kanalizaciis uqonlobaa. 21-e saukuneSi warmoudgenelia, isev ormos amoTxra uwevdeT adamianebs imisTvis, rom sapirfareSo hqondeT. rom SemeZlos, pirvel rigSi, am problemas movagvarebdi. aseve, arian ojaxebi, romlebic Zalian axlos cxovroben saokupacio xazTan da nebismier dros arsebobs riski, rusma jariskacebma isini gaitacon. amitom maTi usafrTxoebisTvis Tu rame gakeTdeboda, esec Zalian kargi iqneboda.
– dReisaTvis am organizaciaSi ramdeni adamiania gaerTianebuli? misi kari yvelasaTvisaa Ria?
– simarTle giTxraT, mxolod me var am organizaciaSi da Cemi megobrebi mexmarebian, riTic SeuZliaT, zogi – fizikurad, zogi – finansurad, zogi – moralurad. nebismiers, visac moundeba am yvelafris nawili gaxdes, siamovnebiT miviReb. es aris saqme, sadac yvela erTad myarad unda davdgeT da vecadoT, sxvebic gavabednieroT im mcirediT mainc, risi gakeTebac SegviZlia. es mxolod materialuri daxmareba ar aris. weRan rom gesaubreT Cems pirvel ojaxze, roca Cavdivar, maTTan aucileblad mivdivar. imis gamo, rom iq sxva ojaxebicaa, xandaxan maTTvis rame rom waviRo, adgili fizikurad aRar maqvs manqanaSi, magram xelcarielsac iseTi guliTa da siTboTi miReben, rom amis daviwyeba SeuZlebelia. ukan imxela siTbosa da siyvaruls mibrunebs TiToeuli iq mcxovrebi, rom mere didi xani am yvelafriT damuxtuli davdivar. sul vambob – iqauroba aris jadosnuri adgili jadosnuri adamianebiT da modi, vacxovroT isini cota jadosnobaSi mainc.
– vin gexmarebaT Tqvens saqmianobaSi da, aseve, xelisSemSleli faqtorebi ra kuTxiT vlindeba?
– rogorc giTxariT, Cemi megobrebi Zalian mexmarebian. pirvel nabijebs roca vdgamdi am organizaciasTan erTad, mTelma jgufma movigeT etiudebis festivalze prizi da erTxmad gadavwyviteT, es fuli erT-erT ojaxs moxmareboda. am fuliT erT ojaxs abazanis gakeTebaSi davexmare. es iyo, mgoni, yvelaze kargad daxarjuli fuli TiToeuli CvenganisTvis. roca Camovdivar, vyvebi-xolme, vin vnaxe, romeli axali ojaxi aRmovaCine. . . erTxelac, vyvebodi bebiasa da SviliSvilze. Cemi erTi megobari – liza nikvaSvili imdenad dainteresda am ambiT, rom Semdeg Casvlaze wamomyva da beqas (SviliSvils) ocneba ausrula – telefoni uyida. aseve, Cemi erTi megobari mariam dalaqiSvili, sul cdilobda, produqtiT daxmareboda ojaxebs. Cemi leqtorebic riTic SeeZloT, mexmarebodnen – iqneboda es materialuri Tu moraluri saxiT. yvelas ver CamovTvli, imdeni adamiania. . . swored maTi daxmarebiT da sruliad ucnobi adamianebis saSualebiT Cavdivar iq da saWiro nivTebi, produqti Tu medikamentebi Camaqvs. am etapzec organizaciis Sesaxeb Zalian cotam icis. . . amitom, xSir SemTxvevaSi, mxolod Cemi megobrebisa da ojaxis wevrebis daxmarebis imedad var. msurs, bevrma adamianma gaigos am ojaxebis Sesaxeb.
– rogorc gavige, mosmenil ambebze dayrdnobiT wigns werT . . .
– diax, magram ara – im ojaxebSi mosmenil ambebze. vinaidan maTac exebaT es Tema, ramdenime ambavi SeiZleba, maTic moxvdes. warmodgena ar maqvs, ra gamova. visurvebdi, imis naxevari mainc gamovides, rac Cafiqrebuli maqvs.
– ra gaZlevT cxovrebis stimuls?
– yvelaferi. konkretuli pasuxi ar maqvs. albaT, miznebi, romlebic cxovrebis sxvadasxva etapze davisaxe, ar maZlevs modunebis saSualebas da aucilebelia, yovelTvis myarad vidge fexze.
– Tavisufal dros rogor atarebT?
– Tavisufali dro ar maqvs. mTeli 10 Tvis ganmavlobaSi warmodgena ar mqonda, ra aris Tavisufali dro. . magram axla, roca gamomiCnda, mis arsebobas vblokav da raRac saqmeebs vigoneb. kiTxva miyvars, aseve, vwer da vcdilob, sxvadasxva kinoreJisoris Semoqmedebas ufro kargad gavecno.
– romeli fraziT daasrulebdiT Cvens saubars?
– rTuli SekiTxvaa. sayvareli fraza ar maqvs. mgoni, ase, frazebiT arc vlaparakob, rasac sul vambob, imiT davasrulebdi Cvens saubars; `vecadoT, erTmaneTis cxovreba gavaferadoT~. ase Tu moviqceviT, ufro martivi iqneba yvelaferi.
