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xangrZlivi lodinis Semdeg, qalaq baTumis sakrebulom muSaoba ganaaxla. mexuTe mowvevis sakrebulos deputatebma, faruli kenWisyriT, 18 xmiT, ramaz jinWaraZe Tavmjdomared erTxmad airCies. mas mimdinare wlis 2 aprils baTumSi gamarTul Sualedur arCevnebSi gonio-kvariaTis, adlia-aeroportisa da aRmaSeneblis administraciuli erTeulebis mosaxleobis 69 procentma dauWira mxari.
ra molodinebi aqvs da rogor gegmavs opoziciasTan TanamSromlobas? – am da sxva saintereseso Temebze ramaz jinWaraZe Tavad gvesaubreba.
– batono ramaz, rogoria Tqveni molodinebi am mowvevis sakrebuloSi?
– sakrebulos TiToeuli wevrisTvis, upirvelesad, es aris didi pasuxismgebloba, xalxi gvendo da valdebuli varT, es ndoba gavamarTloT. Cveni mTavari amocanaa, droulad ganvaxorcieloT is sakanonmdeblo Tu sabiujeto cvlilebebi, romlebic ase sWirdeba baTums da romelic SemdgomSi aisaxeba Cveni qalaqisa da Tanaqalaqelebis keTildReobaze. maqvs molodini, rom sakrebulos wevrebi, miuxedavad gansxvavebuli politikuri gemovnebisa, qalaqisTvis mniSvnelovani sakiTxebis gadawyvetisas, iqnebian konstruqciulni da Cveni mosaxleobis keTildReoba da qalaqis ganviTareba yvelasTvis iqneba saerTo prioriteti.
– eqvsTviani lodinis Semdeg, rogorc iqna, sakrebulo Seikriba. rogor SeafasebT am etapze mis muSaobas?
– iciT, rom es iyo xelovnurad Seqmnili krizisi da amis gamo, upirvelesad, dazaralda qalaqi da misi mosaxleoba. baTumSi gamarTul Sualedur arCevnebSi, gonio-kvariaTis, adlia-aeroportisa da aRmaSeneblis administraciul erTeulebSi, sadac kenWs viyridi, Cems gundTan erTad damajerebeli gamarjveba movipove. dasrulda saarCevno procesi da sakrebulos unda daewyo muSaoba. xelovnuri barieris gamo qalaqis majiscema ar unda Senelebuliyo, radgan bevri iseTi mniSvnelovani proeqti iyo gaCerebuli, biujetis sxvadasxva programuli mimarTulebiT, romlebsac mosaxleoba elodeboda, ase rom, SevikribeT da ramdenime sxdoma ukve CavatareT. sakrebulos funqcionirebisaTvis aucilebeli struqturebis xelmZRvanelebi arCeuli arian da komisiebis personaluri Semadgenlobebic dakompleqtebulia. amJamad sakrebulos gamarTulad muSaobisTvis yvela pirobaa Seqmnili. politikuri saqmianobis mxrivac, politikur subieqtebs miecaT SesaZlebloba, daeregistrirebinaT fraqcia da am formatSi gaegrZelebinaT muSaoba. 6 Tvis Tavze, roca pirvelad Seikriba sakrebulo, sxdomas ar eswreboda opozicia, Tumca momdevno sxdomas, romelzec ramdenime mniSvnelovani sakiTxi ganixileboda, isini daeswrnen da gadawyvetilebebis miRebisas ramdenime sakiTxs mxaric dauWires. ra Tqma unda, sxdomaze yvela sakiTxi mniSvnelovani iyo, Tumca gansakuTrebuli mniSvneloba eniWeboda or sakiTxs, romelic gaCerebuli iyo. pirveli gaxlavT `iafi saxlis~ programa, romelsac meria axorcielebs. mosaxleoba didxans eloda farTebis gadacemas da imis gamo, rom sakrebulo ver Seikriba da ver miiRo gadawyvetileba, es sakiTxi Zalian mwvaved idga. meore `avariuli saxlebis programa baTumSi~ gaxlavT, romlis damtkicebac imave mizeziT ver xerxdeboda. yvelas kargad moexseneba, ramdenad aqtualuria baTumSi avariuli saxlebis Tema da vinaidan sakrebulo ver ikribeboda, Sesabamisad, verc meria iwyebda muSobas programis ganxorcielebaze. dRes es barieri gadalaxulia – am sakiTxebis mxardaWerisas sakrebulos TiToeuli wevri iyo erTsulovani, rac Zalian kargia, ase rom, piradad Cemi da Cveni gundis mizania, sakrebulom, meriasa da sakrebuloSi warmodgenil politikur subieqtebTan erTad, imuSaos im sakiTxebze, romlebic mosaxleobis keTildReobasa da qalaqis ganviTarebas sWirdeba. konstruqciuli TanamSromlobis pirobebSi am mowvevis sakrebulos aqvs SesaZlebloba, warmatebiT gaumklavdes qalaqSi arsebul yvela gamowvevas.
– opoziciasTan TanamSromlobas rogor fiqrobT? gaiTvaliswinebT Tu ara maT SeniSvnebsa da mosazrebebs?
– opoziciasTan Cven gveqneba konstuqciuli dialogi. mqonda Sexvedrebi maTTan. gaviTvaliswinebT yvela jansaR mosazrebas, romelic qalaqs da mosaxleobis keTildReobas waadgeba. Cemi kari yvelasTvis Riaa da Cems gundTan erTad, me mzad var maTTan erTad ganvixilo saRi da qalaqze morgebuli Temebi. Tu ra formatSi gavagrZelebT muSaobas, Cvens qalaqsa da baTumelebze aisaxeba dadebiTad. am mimarTulebiT piradad viReb Cems wil pasuxismgeblobas.
– rogoria prioritetebi da pirvel rigSi mosagvarebeli problemebi am droisTvis?
– qalaqi bevri gamowvevis winaSea. am etapze, erT-erTi Tema, romelic baTumelebisTvis aris saintereso, bulvaris gengegmaa. iciT, rom sakiTxi male Semova sakrebuloSi gansaxilvelad da misi gadawyveta erTxel da samudamod daasrulebs kamaTs am Temaze. bulvars sabolood mougvardeba problema. es aris Zalian mniSvnelovani. erT-erTi sakiTxia, aseve, is infrastruqturuli samuSaoebi, romelic qalaqis centraluri ubnis ramdenime quCaze mimdinareobs. qvafenilis SecvlasTan dakavSirebiT, aris sxvadasxva mosazreba. unda iTqvas, rom es qvafenili Tavidanve arasworad da uxarisxod iqna dagebuli, ris gamoc Zalian bevri problema Seiqmna. garda imisa, rom mZRolebisTvis da fexiT mosiaruleebisTvisac warmoadgenda problemas (iyo asxletili qvebisgan dazianebis ramdenime SemTxvevac), SSm pirebsac eqmnebodaT problemebi etliT gadaadgilebisas, saniaRvre WebSi Caxvetilma qviSam ki maTi gadavsebis problemac gamoiwvia. bevri SeiZleba vilaparakoT imaze, rom ekologiuri TvalsazrisiT qvafenili ufro gamarTlebulia, magram aqve isic unda vTqvaT, xarisxianad dagebuli rom yofiliyo da daqvemdebareboda movla-patronobas, misi Secvlis saWiroeba ar dadgeboda.
– sakiTxi, romelic baTumelebs awuxebs da araerTxel gaxmovanebula aris is, rom qalaqi dRiTi dRe kargavs iersaxes, gansakuTrebiT – Zveli baTumi. problemaa maRalsarTuliani korpusebic, romlebic bolo periodSi qaosurad Sendeba. baTums ar aqvs gengegma, qalaqSi ar aris saparkinge adgilebi, Senobebs ar aqvs ezo, bavSvebs ki saTamaSo sivrceebi. . .
– erTi ram SemiZlia giTxraT: am mowvevis sakrebulo ar miiRebs iseT gadawyvetilebas, romlebic baTums daazianebs. rac Seexeba infrastruqturas, bevri qalaqi minaxavs, sadac mravalsarTuliani Senobebi did efeqts qmnis, oRond es unda iyos brenduli da yvelasgan gansxvavebuli. geTanxmebiT, rom mSeneblobebi ar unda mimdinareobdes qaosurad. wlis bolosTvis dasruldeba gengegmaze muSaoba da qalaqs eqneba mniSvnelovani dokumenti, romliTac ixelmZRvaneleben arqiteqturis samsaxuri, samSeneblo kompaniebi da, Sesabamisad, problemac mogvardeba. parkings da ezoebs rac Seexeba, roca gengegma iqneba, es Tema sabolood amoiwureba. am sakiTxebze gundSi araerTxel gvimsjelia da vTanxmdebiT, rom problema unda aRmoifxvras. Cemi pozicia ukve gamovxate mSeneblobasTan dakavSirebiT, rom aris ubnebi, sadac maRlivi korpusebi uxdeba qalaqs, ar vgulisxmob Zveli baTumis ubans. vTanxmdebiT imazec, rom es ubani unda iyos savizito baraTi da yovelTvis viqnebi im azrze, rom Zvel baTums SeunarCundes Tavisi iersaxe.
– mosaxleobas qalaqis istoriul ubanSi xSirad problemebi aqvs avariuli sacxovrisis gamo, amdenad misTvis misaRebia investori da pirobebis gaumjobeseba, rasac kritika mohyveba. . .
– Zvel baTumSi ufro Rrmad gamovikvlevT arsebul situacias. Zalian bevri problemaa italiur ezoebSi, sadac Senobebi (kulturuli memkvidreobis Zeglebs ar vgulisxmob) garkveuli doziT rekonstruqcias moiTxovs. aris Senobebi, romlebic raRac nawilSi aRdgenasac aRar eqvemdebareba. Cemi azriT, maRlivi kopusebis mSenebloba am SemTxvevaSic ki dauSvebelia da arc ganixileba, magram faqtia, iq mcxovreb mosaxleobas sWirdeba daxmareba da amaze unda vifiqroT.
– opozicia am mowvevis sakrebuloSi mravladaa warmodgenili. kvorumis ararsebobis SemTxvevaSi, rogor fiqrobT sakiTxebis dadebiTad gadawyvetas?
– sakrebulo gaxlavT warmomadgenlobiTi organo da misi TiToeuli wevri individualurad iRebs gadawyvetilebas. Cveni gundi Rirseuli wevrebiTaa dakompleqtebuli da sakmarisi xma gvaqvs, rom sakiTxi ganvixiloT da davamtkicoT. zemoTac vTqvi da axlac gavimeoreb: opoziciasTan konstuqciul TanamSromlobas vgegmavT da es ukve dainaxa mosaxleobam – Cven erTad, sruli umravlesobiT miviReT qalaqisa da mosaxleobisTvis saWiro gadawyvetilebebi ramdenime sakiTxze da imedi maqvs, momavalSic msgavsi mxardaWera araerTxel gveqneba. ar aqvs mniSvneloba, socialuri sfero iqneba, samSeneblo, biznesi Tu sxva mimarTuleba, yvela sfero aris misaxedi. biznesi Tu ar ganviTarda, Semosavali ar eqneba qalaqs. socialuri proeqtebi, rac unda ganvaxorcieloT, biznesis xelSewyobis gareSe warmoudgenelia. yvelaferi unda Cajdes samarTlebriv sivrceSi, rac aris sazogadoebis moTxovna.
– sakmao perodi muSaobdiT aWaris jandacvis saministroSi sxvadasxva poziciaze. bevri mniSvnelovani proeqti ganxorcielda am periodSi da bevri madlieri ojaxic gyavT. sakrebulos Tavmjdomaris poziciaze rogor grZnobT Tavs, dairRva Tu ara Tqveni komfortis zona?
– aWaris mTavrobaSi jandacvis ministris pirveli moadgile viyavi. sajaro seqtorSi muSaobis 25-wliani gamocdileba maqvs da am wlebis ganmavlobaSi araerTi sasikeTo saqme mikeTebia, araerT adamians davxmarebivar da damikvalianebia. Tumca unda vTqva, rom warmomadgenlobiT organoSi muSoba CemTvis gamowvevaa da darwmunebuli var, SevZleb imas, rom mosaxleoba kmayofili iyos. partia, romelsac warmovadgen, saukeTeso wevrebiTaa dakompleqtebuli da garda amisa, sakrebulos aparatis TanamSromelTa saxiT aq damxvda is gundi, romelic miadvilebs muSaobas, rac momwons da vafaseb. danarCens dro gviCvenebs. yvelani baTumelebi varT, aq ar unda hqondes mniSvneloba poziciasa da opozicias, yvela uklebliv am qalaqs warmovadgenT da qalaqis ganviTarebasa da mosaxleobis keTildReobaze unda viyoT orientirebuli. Tu vinmes winadadeba eqneba am qalaqisTvis raime sasikeTo gaakeTos, siamovnebiT movusmen, me ase minda, yovel SemTxvevaSi. rTulia sakuTar Tavze saubari, magram is gamocdileba, rac damigrovda, amis Tqmis saSualebas maZlevs. roca maRal Tanamdebobebze vmuSaobdi, maqsimalurad vcdilobdi, konstruqciuli vyofiliyavi, momesmina, gameTvaliswinebina yvelas azri da gadawyvetilebac Sesabamisi mimeRo. bolo periodze gavakeTeb aqcents. batoni Tornike riJvaZis xelmZRvanelobiT, Zalian did socialur sakiTxebs SeveWideT, `ocnebis qalaqi~ didi gamowveva iyo am xelisuflebisTvis da ise movaxerxeT, rom bolomde miviyvaneT. iciT, rom 582 bina Sendeba da es procesi grZeldeba, SemuSavda kriteriumebi da mixaria, rom am saqmeSi Cemi patara wvlilicaa im xelmZRvanelebTan erTad, visTanac momiwia muSaoba.
– sakrebulo raRac doziT pasuxismgeblobas iRebs Tavis deputatebze. ar SemiZlia aqve ar gkiTxoT Tqven Tanagundel riCard sirabiZis irgvliv zedized atexil aJiotaJze. pirveli – marTvis mowmobasTan dakavSirebiT, meore ki bsu-is studentebis daxurul CatSi mimoweras exeba.
– riCard sirabiZe aris sakrebulos wevri, perspeqtiuli da kargi axalgazrda. marTvis mowmobas rac Seexeba, pirdapir vityvi, rom es TiToeuli adamianis personaluri pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxia, xolo Catis TemasTan dakavSirebiT, rogorc Tavad ganacxada da rogorc me maqvs informacia, es iyo `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardamWerTa Cati, romlis Seqmnis ufleba yvela politikuri organos warmomadgenels aqvs. Catis mimoweris SinaarsSi ar Seval.
– piradi iniciativa Tu gaqvT, rasac SesTavazebdiT sakrebulos gansaxilvelad da riTac daamaxsovrebdiT Tavs mosaxleobas?
– baTumis meria mravalmxrivi mimarTulebiT muSaobs, xorcieldeba rogorc socialuri, jandacvis programebi, ise infrasruqturuli proeqtebi, `iafi saxlis~ da `avariuli saxlis~ programebi rad Rirs marto, Tumca gamowvevac bevria. gvaqvs gegmebi, romlebzec vapirebT erToblivad muSaobas, winaswar ar visaubreb, Tumca getyviT, rom es iqneba iseTi mimarTulebebi, romlebic Cveni baTumisTvis misaRebi iqneba da mosaxleobis saWiroebebs upasuxebs. Cemi survilia, baTumi, romelsac Savi zRvis akvatoriaSi erT-erTi ulamazesi mdebareoba aqvs, ganviTarebuli da mimzidveli evropuli qalaqi iyos. Cems gundTan erTad, opoziciasTan aqtiuri TanamSromlobiT, vfiqrob, amas erToblivad mivaRwevT.
– sakrebulos darbazSi dRemde remonti mimdinareobs da sxdomebi bsus-is darbazSi tardeba. male ganaxlebul darbazSi Seikribeba sakrebulo. deputatebis gazrdili ricxvis gamo, sxdomebze mosaxleobis daswreba SeizRudeba. gamosavals raSi xedavT?
– iciT, rom kanonSi cvlilebis Semdeg sakrebulos wevrTa raodenoba 25-dan 35-mde gaizarda. samwuxarod, am darbazis sivrce moqalaqeebis adrindeli raodenobiT daswrebis saSualebas veRar mogvcems. miuxedavad imisa, rom sxdoma pirdapiri laivstrimingiT iqneba gadacemuli adrindelze bevrad ufro gaumjobesebuli xilvadobis xarisxiT, mainc es arasakmarisia da damatebiT vgegmavT gareT mcire monitoris damontaJebas, romliTac SesaZlebeli iqneba Tvalyuris devneba. samwuxarod, metis saSualebas am etapze arsebuli sivrce ar iZleva. CvenTvis ufro misaRebi iqneboda, am formatis saSualebas rom gvZlevdes arsebuli darbazi.
– evrokavSiris kandidatis statusis miniWebis sakiTxis Sesaxebac visaubroT.
– perspeqtiva, romelic Caiwera, Zalian mniSvnelovani iyo Cveni qveynisTvis. mTavroba, premieris xelmZRvanelobiT, yvelafers akeTebs, raTa punqtebi, rac dagvevala, Sesruldes da saqarTvelo gaxdes evrokavSiris wevri. evroparlaments es gadawyvetileba axlave rom mieRo, yvelaze gonivruli gadawyvetileba iqneboda Cveni qveynisTvis, magram raxan Canaweri gaCnda da perspeqtiva mogveniWa, ara mgonia, amas ver mivaRwioT, radgan amis realuri Sansi Cven gvaqvs.
– batono ramaz, ramdenad xelmisawvdomi iqneba TqvenTan komunikacia mosaxleobisTvis?
– samuSao saaTebSi, Tu raime RonisZiebaze ar var gasuli, mudmivad adgilze vimyofebi da vxvdebi moqalaqeebs. amisaTvis gansakuTrebuli dRe ar damiwesebia. mTavaria, moqalaqe movides da saSvi aiRos. igive SemiZlia vTqva Jurnalistebze – yovelTvis mzad var, nebismier SekiTxvas vupasuxo da ar darCes kiTxvis niSnebi.
