როგორ გახდა ერეკლე საღლიანი ბათუმელი?..
poetsa da mTargmnel erekle saRlians – gansxvavebuli xasiaTisa da Sinagani xmis leqsebis avtors kargad icnobs qarTveli mkiTxveli. poeziis aRmarTs bavSvobidan Seudga da araerTi mTagrexilic gadaiara. mis krebulebSi – `usaTauro~, `raSouda~ `Samarira~ usaTuod dainaxavT siyvarulis yvela gradacias: samSoblos, satrfos, megobars, sazogadod, adamians Tavisi tkivilebiTa da sixaruliT, adamians, romelsac Rrmad aqvs fesvebi gadgmuli sakuTari qveynis, kuTxis istoriaSi. erekle saRlianis poezia svaneTis diad bunebasaviT lamazicaa da mkacric, rac am isedac TavisTavadi poetis Semoqmedebas kidev ufro sainteresos xdis. igi baTumis xSiri stumaria. amjerad zurab gorgilaZis saiubileo saRamoze vnaxeT da masTan saubris SesaZlebloba xelidan ar gavuSviT.
– ra xdeba amJamad Tqvens SemoqmedebaSi?
– Cems SemoqmedebaSi amJamad patara Sesvenebis periodia, magram ar vRelav, radgan es Tu ar aris, maSin ukve iwyeba gamoSroba, anu Tu erTma ciklma amowura Tavisi saTqmeli, unda Seemzado sruliad axali ciklisTvis. SeiZleba Seqmna ukeTesi nawarmoebi, vidre manamde gqonda, magram Tu Sens Semoqmedebas ar moaqvs axali, maSin jobia, gaCerde. erTi adgilis tkepna yvelaze didi saSinelebaa.
– gamodis, es pirveli Sesveneba araa, raxan cikluria. yvelaze didi Sesveneba rodis gqondaT?
– studentobis periodSi sami weli erTi pwkaric ar damiweria, maSin Cavidine miutevebeli danaSauli – CavTvale, rom ukve amoviwure da mTeli Cemi bavSvobis droindeli Canawerebi gavanadgure. anu sakuTar Tavs wavarTvi bavSvoba, rasac dRemde ver vpatiob sakuTar Tavs.
– maSin albaT gegonaT, rom aRarasodes dawerdiT da. . . rogor movida isev Tavidan muza?
– siyvarulma amaRebina xelSi kalami. movida, SemanjRria, Semajayjaya. . . iseTi gancda iyo. . . damabruna isev poeziasTan. sxvaTa Soris, me da maSindeli siyvarulis obieqti dRemde vmegobrobT, miuxedavad imisa, rom ar viqeciT erT ojaxad. erTxel miTxra, me gaqcie poetado, me vupasuxe, Tu amdeni SegeZlo, barem qmradac geqcie-meTqi.
– misdami miZRvnili leqsebi albaT Sesulia krebulebSi.
– ra Tqma unda, Zalian bevri leqsia misdami miZRvnili. umetesoba davbeWde, magram aris iseTi leqsebi, romlebic daviwune da ar Sevitane Cems krebulSi.
– sxva siyvarulis leqsebi?
– sxva siyvaruli ukve Cemi meuRlea. mas didi jafa adgas, CemTan erTad Sebmulia uRelSi da Rirseulad eweva. bevri leqsi maqvs miZRvnili misdamic.
– rogoria zRapariviT momajadoebeli, saqarTvelos siamaye svaneTi dRes Tqveni gadmosaxedidan?
– svaneTi yovelTvis iqneba saqarTvelos siamaye, zRapari. . . magram am zRaparSic aris bevri ram, magaliTad, zRapruli zRapari da marto zRapari. . . dRevandeli svaneTi marto zRaparia da ai, ratom – wavida Zveli xalxi da Tan gahyva zneoba. aris aseTi gamonaTqvami: sad wavidnen is jiSiani cxenebio? gadaSendnen, Tvals miefarneno, da is vaJkacebio? im cxenebze Sesxdnen da wavidneno. . . marto svaneTSi ki ara, samwuxarod, yvelgan. . . anu bevr iseT faseulobas veleviT, romlebsac ar unda SevelioT. ivane javaxiSvilma, am saocarma kacma, Tqva: qarTvelebs gvaviwydeba umTavresi ram – Coxa-axaluxs, romelic morgebulia Cvens tanze, vwunobT da vetanebiT ucxo samosels, aRmoCndeba, rom es ucxo samoseli ar aris Cven tanze Sekerili, mainc vicvamT, ar gvergeba da vrCebiT dediSobila. ai,zustad aseTi suraTia dRes saqarTveloSi.
– ai, svaneTidan mTel saqarTveloze gadavediT. geTanxmebiT da rogorc mwerals gekiTxebiT: ra aris Cveni mTavari gasaWiri, saidan unda daviwyoT, rom am mdgomareobidan gamovideT?
– Cveni mTavari gasaWiri isaa, rom verc vxvdebiT, ra gasaWiria Cvens Tavs, brmad varT mindobili drois dinebas, mivyvebiT, imas vetanebiT, rac zedapirul informacias emyareba da ara siRrmiseul wvdomas, gauazreblad vmoqmedebT. mgoni, marto dRevandeli dRis ubedureba ar unda iyos es. vici, rom Tqven skolaSi, svaneTSi karga xans aswavlidiT qarTul enasa da literaturas. gavixsenoT giorgi merCules didi nawarmoebi `grigol xanZTelis cxovreba~, sadac aRwerilia, rogor gadaekida anCis episkoposi cqiri did moZRvars. daavala anCelebs, misuliyvnen xanZTaSi da daengriaT wminda giorgis saxelobis eklesia. mikvirs, amodena brboSi erTi kaci mainc rogor ar gaeria, vinc ityoda, – xalxo, sasuliero pirebi mtroben erTmaneTs, ratom vangrevT eklesias, – mzad iyvnen yvelani, rom daengriaT uflis saxli da grigol xanZTeli, romelic exveweboda ufals adamianis gadarCenas, pirvelad Seevedra, rom moekla is adamiani. vimeoreb, SemaZrwunebeli marto cqiris ki araa, brbos saqcielicaa, dResac es gvemarTeba, dRevandeli dRis suraTia faqtobrivad.
– gmiri ar gvyavs dRes saqarTveloSi. . .
– nicSes veTanxmebi, romelic ambobs: `sacodavia eri, romelsac gmiri sWirdeba~. gmiri ar unda gWirdebodes, gmiroba unda iyos norma da roca gmiri gWirdeba, gasacodavebuli xar, veTanxmebi nicSes. . . rogor fiqrobT, mariupolis brZolaze, romelmac msoflio SeZra, meti ar iyo xaldes brZola? ukraina eomeba ruseTs da SeiaraRebulia ucxouri iaraRiT, xaldelebi ki kaJiani TofebiT ibrZodnen. vici, rom Tqven sofel xaldeSi stumrobdiT guram xarZianis did ojaxs. miTxariT, im xaldelebs gmiri sWirdebodaT? ara, radgan yvelani gmirebi iyvnen.
– baTumTan didi siyvaruli gakavSirebT, rogor daiwyo igi?
– marTlac, uzarmazari siyvaruli makavSirebs. Tavidanve ase iyo, magram aWarasTan kidev ufro damaaxlova mamaTqvenma saSa miTaiSvilma, Cemma ufrosma Zmam da megobarma zurab gorgilaZem, daTo TedoraZem, mogvianebiT fridon xalvaSis ojaxic gavicani, aseve Cemi nanatri CitiSvili, kargi mxatvari malxaz varSaniZe, mamia avaliani, Cveni legenda momRerali aleko xomeriki, yvelas ver CamovTvli, yvela nagulisxmevia RmerTma icodes.
– SegiZliaT raRac saerTo niSniT dagvaxasiaToT, rogorebi varT baTumelebi?
– baTumi saocari qalaqia, romelsac aqvs Tavisi gamorCeuli, yvelasgan gansxvavebuli xasiaTi, qalaqi, romelsac zRva ki ar amSvenebs, Tavad amSvenebs zRvas. Zalian mwydeba guli, rom bevrs hgonia bolo dros baTumi gamSvenierda, arada, daamaxinjes, Tavisi xasiaTi waarTves, aRmarTes es evropuli tipis nagebobebi, romlebiTac veravis ganvacvifrebT. baTumi ucxoels ganacvifrebs ganumeorebeli bulvariT, botanikuri baRiT da im patara saxlebiT, romlebic Sexmatkbilebulad idgnen gverdigverd da ar uRrendnen erTmaneTs, rogorc dRes xdeba. Cemi neba rom iyos, bevr Senobas movacilebdi qalaqs da baTums Tavis iers davubrunebdi. saocari is aris, rom amaxinjes, amaxinjes da bolomde mainc ver daamaxinjes, pewi ver daukarges. baTumelebze ki ai, ras getyviT, rogorc qalaqs aqvs Tavisi xasiaTi, baTumelsac aqvs Tavisi xma. zurab gorgilaZis leqsi milion SemoqmedSi ar agereva, icnob, radgan aqauri surneliT aris gajerebuli. grZnob limonis, manadarinis surnelebas da xedav saocar feradovnebas. miyvars aqauri kilo da didi Txovna maqvs maRalmTan aWaraSi mcxovrebTa mimarT: nu daiviwyeben am saocar aWarul dialeqts. mas Tavisi ganumeorebeli xibli aqvs. baTumSi saqarTvelos yvela kuTxe iyris Tavs da yvela xdeba baTumeli. mec Cems Tavs, miuxedavad imisa, rom ar vcxovrob aq, Tavs baTumelad vTvli.
– baTumSi iyaviT didi zurab gorgilaZis dabadebis dRis aRsaniSnav RonisZiebaze. gaixseneT raime masTan dakavSirebiT. . .
– svaneTSi, mogexsenebaT, citrusebi ar aris. ori yuTi mandarini gamatana zurabma, ori yuTic – mamaTqvenma. es is periodia, roca akrZalulia respublikis gareT citrusebis gatana. damapatimres matarebelSi, saspekulaciod gagaqvT citrusebio. kaco, veubnebi, svaneTSi mivdivar, megobrebma gamomatanes. bolos da bolos, aq xarT da xom dainaxavT, ingirSi rom Caval. marTlac, ingirSi rom Cavedi da yuTebic Cavitane, mxolod maSin damanebes Tavi. zurabTan dakavSirebiT bevri ram maqvs gasaxsenebeli. . . sxvebTan dakavSirebiTac – aq erT-erTi Camosvlisas cxonebulma SoTa zoiZem aseTi leqsi dawera:
`qari afrebs afTariviT afeTebs da
erekeba,
aWareli afrakebi aafrina ereklema~.
gansakuTrebuli pativiscema minda gamovxato goCa iremaZis mimarT, visi wyalobiTac amayni varT da welSi gamarTulni daviarebiT, vinc gamoisyida zurab gorgilaZis sacxovrebeli saxli da gvaCuqa muzeumi. aseTi kacebi rom ara, dRes Tavdaxrilebs unda gvevlo da bolos, roca dadgeba Jami da imqveynad yvela erTad SeviyrebiT, zurab gorgilaZesTan misasvleli piri gveqneba.
– Tqveni Semoqmedebidan sayvareli leqsis fragmenti wagvikiTxeT.
– baTumze maqvs leqsi, sadac zurab gorgilaZes mivmarTav:
`mamulisaTvis dasaRvreli sisxl rom
damdindes,
Seni saxeli amomiva uxmod sisxlidan~.
ai, es aris zurab gorgilaZe CemTvis, sisxlSia daleqili misi saxeli da gvari da ara marto sisxlSi, aramed sulsa da gulSi.
– qarTveli poetebis axalgazrda Taobaze ras ityviT?
– Zalian kargi Taoba modis. karg leqsebs weren, oRond esec unda vTqva – movlen, eldas dagvitoveben, mere Cerdebian. minda vuTxra maT – nuRar gaCerdebiT, miRweuliT ar dakmayofildeT, mudmivi ukmayofilebis cecxli unda gwvavdeT!
marina miTaiSvili
