დავით არახამია: თავისუფლება სულის მდგომარეობაა, რომლის დათრგუნვაც შეუძლებელია
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daviT araxamia saintereso Semoqmedia, romelic wers gulSi Camwvdomad da mxatvrulad. SeuZlebelia ar mogxiblos mwerlis gancdebis siRrmem da am gancdaTa gadmocemis unarma, romelmac gansxeuleba lirikul prozaSi SeZlo. `movedi winaprebidan da miveSurebi uflis gzaze, win – winaprebisken~, – ityvis ase da Cven winaSe warmosdgeba moazrovne, gonebiT mxedi pirovneba, romlis sityvebs `ra codnac gvaqvs – cnobierebac iqamde midis~, uTuod virwmunebT da gaviTavisebT kidec, am intervius Semdeg.
– `gulze gadamdis wlebis Cqeri~ – werT erTgan. hoda, am wlebis gadasaxedidan rogor gamoiyureba Tqveni `sivi~?
– sicocxlis caze maisis mzis mexotbe var. davibade 1963 wlis 26 maiss. am dRidan Rvivis Cemi sicocxlis vardisfer sizmris Rimili. Cemi sicocxlis vardi Cxorowyus raionis sofel kircxSi aRmocenda da gaifurCqna. skolis damTavrebis Semdeg ganaTlebis misaRebad ymawvilkacobis mquxare talRebs simSvidis borniT gamovyev Tbilisamde 1980 wels. mas Semdeg mivuyvebi cxovrebis cicaboebs werosaviT kiserawvdili, fiqris qaravniT: samyaroze, samSobloze, ojaxze, Svilebsa da SviliSvilebze uzomod Seyvarebuli.
– `vazis CrdilSi, miwis surneliT gaJRenTil balaxze wamowolils stumroba mominda warsulSi sakuTar TavTan~ – uTuod daaintereseT mkiTxveli am naTqvamiT. estumreT sakuTar Tavs, mogismenT. . .
– sadRac SoreTSi gamitacebs xolme zRvisferi ocnebebi, da es xom realoba iyo odesRac. dResac msurs, fexSiSvelma davirbino mTa-bari da ezo-yure, Torem vin icis, xval-zeg ra momelis. naakvnars ki aSordes gvalva da setyva, avTa qarTa risxva zuzuni. mTebSi ismas yiJina cxengaqafulis da miarRvevdnen mkerdgaReRili mxedrebi Walas. me ki saZovarze gavreko Zroxa-kameCi da vucqiro, rogor aSrobs lorTqo balaxs Takara mze. guls moefinos bulbulis stvena, rogorc mdinaris narnara zvirTi. fiqrebs mtacebs mTebs Selewili mdinaris Cqeri. vaxel sizmrian Tvalebs da mzera gadavstyorcne mdinaris gadaRma, sadac odesRac xobiswyalma mimRera nana, axlac rom tanSi Jruantelad mivlis. gavcqeri mSobliur mTaTa mwvane naoWebs, Sevxari awmyos da arc mikvirs, radgan gulSi CamrCa silamaze da sidarbaisle kolxur mTebisa. ZvelTaZvel odas Tavze edgas Cero CinarTa. CuqurTmebiani maRali kedlis sarkmlidan aRelvebuli, SeSfoTebiT vumziro mTvares, rom visaubro warsulis baRSi im Zvel satrfosTan, romlis mimarT Cems ocnebas ar Cauvlia cudad, JamTasvlis mere mis mkerdze SeumCnevlad gaCenil borcvebze, romelTac darcxvenili malavda mudam. msurda, menaxa mxrebSi amaRlebuli, daqalebuli da mainc nazi, tanlerwama, mSvid saxeze RimilgaCaRebuli misi arseba, dakodil gulze dasalewavad da am scenis mxilvelT aivanze eqoTqoTaT yvavilT qoTnebs, rom mwuxar gzaze masTan alersis brwyinvaleba daucxromel sinaTles afrqvevdes sixarulisas. es is warsulia, sadac xSirad vmogzaurob xolme ocnebiT da axla, roca mimovixede, erTmaneTs cvlian dReebi, wlebi, gulCvilad vlaRob.
– saidan moxvediT da saiT mieSurebiT. . . Tqveni winaprebi. . . saidan daiwyeT samyaros aRqma?
– xSirad vstumrob sakuTar Tavs, Rrma fiqris Semdeg gafiTrebuli vekiTxebi mermiss, am sawuTroSi saidan movel an sad miveSurebi? Sevyureb zecas, mefobs dumili. Tavad vcdilob gavce sakuTar Tavs pasuxi. awmyodan warsulisaken vfurcle genetikuri mexsierebis furclebi, rogorc davadgine da gadmocemiT vici, warsulSi Cemi winaprebi mejogeebi yofilan. babuis babuas rqmevia daTa, Cems babus erqva grigoli, CemTvis daurqmeviaT daviTi, me ki Cems vaJs davarqvi grigoli, Cemma vaJma ki Tavis vaJs daviTi. am CamonaTvaliT sami saukune gamodis TiTqmis da imis win vin iyvnen, samwuxarod, informaciam Cemamde ver moaRwia. maxsovs, Zalian patara roca viyavi, babuis saxlSi, sadac dabadebidan mxolod ori Tu sami weli vizrdebodi, kedelze ekida Coxa, xmali, xanjali da filTa Tofi, rac did interess iwvevda CemSi. winapris am samoss da iaraRs, STagonebuli, mowiwebiT Sevyurebdi xolme. vfiqrob, rogor cxovrobdnen mama-papani qveynad, rogor awrTobdnen simamaces uricxv mterTan da duSmanTan brZolaSi, romelTa ZvalTsanaxebs mSobliur miwaze STamomavalT cremlebi ayria. axla, roca eqvsma aTeulma welma gairbina Tvalwin, am samosis da aRWurvilobis magiur surnelebidan iwyeba Cemi samyaros aRqmac. kiTxvaze, saidan moxvediT da saiT mieSurebiT? movedi winaprebidan da miveSurebi uflis gzaze, win – winaprebisken.
– Tavisuflebis Tqveneuli aRqma. . . erTxel hkiTxeT sakuTar Tavs: – daTo, Sen Tavisufali suli xar? axla upasuxeT.
– demokratiuli qveynebis konstituciaSi umTavres Rirebulebad miCneulia Tavisufleba. `yvela adamians aqvs bunebisgan miniWebuli arCevanis, gamoxatvisa da rwmenis Tavisufleba~. saerTod, ras niSnavs arCevanis Tavisufleba, gamoxatvis Tavisufleba an rwmenis Tavisufleba? veranairi kanoni bolomde ver moamwyvdevs da CaaxSobs Tavisuflebas. Tavisufleba da kanoni ver Seqmnis verasdros idealur kombinacias, es ori urTierTsapirispiro mcnebaa. ver movnaTlavT kanons adamianis Tavisuflebis garantad, mmarTvelobis forma, Tavisuflebis am mcire dozebs sakenkad gviyris. Tavisuflebaa, erTgvarad flobde da Seicnobde sakuTar Tavs. rom davTmo Tavisufleba, gamodis, rom unda davTmo Cemi Tavi, misi Secnobis procesi, anu ver ganvaxorcieleb verc siyvaruls, verc sinanuls, verc rwmenas, vercerT amgvars ver ganvaxorcieleb, Tu ar var Cemi Tavi. aqedan gamomdinare, ra Tqma unda, Tavisufleba individualuria yoveli individisTvis, magram is, yvela SemTxvevaSi, sulis mdgomareobaa, romlis daTrgunvac SeuZlebelia. zemoT Tqmulidan gamomdinare, xSirad gavdivar sakuTar sxeulidan da Semovdivar, radganac ar arsebobs dedamiwaze imaze aRmatebuli grZnoba, rogoric bednierebaa. amitomaa Tavisuflebac is uZvirfasesi Rirebuleba, rac adamians adamianad yofnis siamovnebas agrZnobinebs: akeTo is, rac ginda, iyo iseTi, rogoric ginda, iyo, gankargo sakuTari cxovreba ise, rogorc gsurs.
– Tqveni wignebi kritikosTa yuradRebis arealSia, gexmarebaT maTi recenziebi?
– netav SemeZlos pasuxis gacema, Tumca, Sevecdebi. mniSvnelovania gamoxmaureba, romelic avtoris wignebs unda mohyves mkiTxvelisgan da literaturuli kritikosebisgan, magram sinamdvileSi ar aris. . . da Tu aris, gamoixateba avtoris qebasa an ZagebaSi. Cem SemTxvevaSi ramdenime adamiani akeTebs amas, weren recenziebs, risTvisac madlobas vuxdi maT, magram me meti minda, minda kritikuli TvaliT Sexedon leqss Tu Canaxats, Tqvan, ra varga da ra ar varga. ganixilon strof-strof Tu abzac-abzac, rom SemoqmedebiT zrdaSi daexmaros maTi naazrevi avtors. bevri rom ar visaubro, xmagaumtar, morakrake siCumeSi weraa CemTvis mTavari da kiTxva. es maniWebs siamovnebas da sixaruls.
– Cveni qveynis awmyo da momavali upirvelesi safiqrali da sazrunavi unda iyos yvela qarTvelisaTvis. . . da rom ar aris? rogorc ambobT: `samSoblos siyvaruli mZime tvirTia, uniaTo ver awevs mas~. saqarTvelosTvis ualternativo gzad ra gesaxebaT?
– diax, ar aris. samSoblos siyvaruli mZime tvirTia, yvela ver aswevs mas. Cvens mxneobas da sulier Seupovrobas asazrdoebs sakuTari SesaZleblobebis idumal TaviseburebaTa wyaro. darwmunebuli varT, yvelaferi viciT, ra xdeba Cvens irgvliv. Tavs vaZlevT iluziaSi yofnis uflebas. ver vaRwevT siRrmeebSi sakuTari Tavis Sesacnobad. sibnele sibneles ver gaaqrobs, es SeuZlia mxolod sinaTles. samwuxarod, ra codnac gvaqvs, cnobierebac iqamde midis. sulieri wrTobis sawyisi unda hyvaodes. unda SevZloT sulieri da inteleqtualuri Zalebis mobilizeba. unda moxdes azrovnebis da gonebis gamoTavisufleba dromoWmuli sabWoTa monuri mentalitetisagan. yvelaferi unda gavakeToT saimisod, rom axalgazrdoba sazogadoebrivi cxovrebiT dainteresdes. isini unda Camoyalibdnen Tavisufal adamianebad. RmerTis fexis xmas maxvili mzera gavayoloT, raTa tanjvis unari SegvrCes, qveyana rom ar daiRupos.
– vis gamoixmobdiT warsulidan, rom SeZlos Cveni sulebis ganaTeba da Cveni gaerTianeba qveynis sakeTildReod?
– didi xania mamulis sevdis sarkeSi bindi Cagvisaxlda, TiTqos imedis kandelic Caqra, radganac dRemde ver vakiafeT samSoblos iRblis varskvlavi. vcdilob, pasuxi gavce Tqvens kiTxvas da fiqrebSi warsulis mquxare talRebs Sevebi simSvidis borniT. awmyodan warsulisaken vfurclav mexsierebis furclebs, mivende JamTaRmwerlebs. cremli madgeba Tvalebze, mamulis akvans qariSxlis talRebi arwevs. . . Camowva saRamos bindi, miyuCda niavi, bnelSi SuqiviT aRimarTa guli mziani, TiTqos ukvdavebam sZlia ukuns. mezmana uzarmazar mTebidan daSvebuli mxedrioni. momesma Zaxili, mivayurade, TeTr raSze amxedrebuli silueti damidga Tvalwin. didi winapari Sevican xmaSi, daviT didi, aRmaSenebeli!
– roca rusTavels kiTxulobT, yvela wakiTxvis Semdeg ra gancda giCdebaT, ras aRmoaCenT?
– yoveli wakiTxvis Semdeg vxdebi ufro Wkviani, vidre viyavi, zeaRmatebuli. yoveli winadadebis WuWrutanidan samyaros Sida xedi Cans. SoTa rusTavelis `vefxistyaosani~ CemTvis meore bibliaa.
– qarTul xalxur zRaprebzec unda gkiTxoT: romels gamoarCevT da ratom?
– `nacarqeqias~. zRapari xom ganuxorcielebeli ocnebaa, an sinamdvilis sapirispiro, an tyuili, romelic gvauwyebs yoveldRiuri sinamdvilis ZleviT masze aRmatebulis damkvidrebas da Tu es asea, es movlena samyaros axal safexurze asvlaa, sadac aris axali ca da axali miwa. . . am gzis gamkafavi xom zRapris gmiria. gadis biWi mamis saxlidan, ususuri, yaribi, is arc gare samyaros icnobs. mas Tavis dasacavad kombalic ki ar miaqvs. miaqvs mxolod Wyinti yveli, sadgisi da guda nacari. saxlidan waRebul sagnebSi is aRmoaCens imaze mets, rasac isini asruleben yoveldRiur yofaSi. is mWvretelia, zis keriaSi da qeqavs nacars, magram nacarqeqiam cnobierad Tu qvecnobierad icis, rom nacris qeqva cecxlis arsis, misi safuZvlis Wvretis simboloa. man icis, risi danatovaria nacari da nacridan ras SeiZleba miswvdes misi mCxrekeli. . . biWi, romelic gadis mamis saxlidan, gamarjvebuli da gamdidrebuli ubrundeba mas. Cven, qarTvelebi, mxolod qmedebaSi varT, mxolod vmoqmedebT, saWiroa Wvretac, amitom gamovarCev `nacarqeqias~.
– megobari Cveni sulieri naTesavia – ase migaCniaT? da vin arian Tqveni megobrebi?
– suli maradiuli didi Rirebulebaa samyaroSi. Cven vgrZnobT da vreagirebT adamianis gare energetikul gamosxivebaze, romelic misi sulidan modis. suliT naTesaoba ori adamianis urTierTobaa, romelic grZeldeba mravali reinkarnaciisTvis. adamianebis sulebi mTeli cxovrebis ganmavlobaSi exmarebian erTmaneTs dakisrebuli amocanebis gadaWraSi. naTesav sulebs aqvT saerTo cxovrebiseuli gamocdileba. erTmaneTis mimarT avlenen naTel grZnobebs, siyvaruls, megobrobas. adamianTa sulebi, romlebsac aqvT saerTo interesebi erTmaneTTan, msgavsi Sexedulebebi da cxovrebiseuli poziciebi, asruleben erTsa da imave moqmedebebs. aseTi adamianebi TiTqos asaxaven erTmaneTis qmedebebs, rogorc anarekls sarkeSi. aqedan gamomdinare, radganac ar var aseTi, Tavs vTvli marto sulad, magram uamrav adamianTan urTierTobisas vxatav sakuTar Tavs adamianuri urTierTobebis sruli suraTisTvis.
– `memento mori~ – gvaxsovdes sikvdili. gvaxsovs ki? vemzadebiT misTvis?
– daviwyebasac aqvs dadebiTi mxare, mxolod sikvdilze Tu vifiqrebdiT da awmyoze veRar vimoqmedebdiT, ver viaqtiurebdiT, analitikuridan sinTezur procesebze veRar gadavrTavdiT azrovnebas. ra Tqma unda, vemzadebiT, radganac mxolod sulis ukvdavebis realoba aniWebs adamians da mis cxovrebas dedamiwaze WeSmarit Rirebulebas.
– ra aris umTavresi maxasiaTebeli, adamians rom ayalibebs planetis gvirgvinad?
– rodesac vuyurebT samyaros masStabebs, bunebrivad gviCndeba ususurobis gancda. am masStabebiT Tu SevxedavT, adamiani kosmosuri mtvris umciresTa Soris umciresi nawilakia. adamiani xom bioqimiuri da fizikuri saswaulia samyaroSi, romelsac SeuZlia CvenTvis cnobil organizmTa Soris yvelaze maRalinteleqtualuri azrovneba, es sabolood ayalibebs pirovnebas, logikas da Seicnobs mTel samyaros ara mxolod codnis da informaciis miRebiT, aramed, warmosaxvis saSualebiT, romelsac Tvalebis gareSe, gonebiT xedvasac uwodeben. sworedac esaa is umTavresi maxasiaTebeli, adamians rom ayalibebs planetis gvirgvinad.
– `mwams, rom ars ena ram saidumlo~. Tqvenc ase gjeraT?
– Tu enis im ucnaur mdgomareobas CavukvirdebiT, romelSic igi teqstis Seqmnis dros eqceva, am sityvebis WeSmaritebaSi eWvis Setana namdvilad gaWirdeba. enis stiqiaSi Sesvla, daZabuli, xangrZliv sunTqvaze gaTvlili procesia, sadac winadadebebis siRrme gaocebs, gaforiaqebs, iZirebi da fskers ver grZnob, Tanac saSinlad gsiamovnebs am siRrmeebSi Sesvla. sicocxlis im nakadebiT ivsebi, romelic enas moaqvs SenTan da saocari ZaliT grZnob erTianobas yvelaferTan, rac gars gakravs xiluli Tu uxilavi saxiT, ase rom. . .
– roca baTums stumrobT. . . . qalaqis Tqveneuli aRqma. SeexmianeT baTumelebs.
– simarTle giTxraT, baTumis xSiri stumari ar var, sul ramdenimejer var namyofi. pirvelad axalgazrdobis wlebSi viyavi, saidanac dRemde dauviwyari mogoneba gamomyva. 2014 wels miwveuli viyavi sabavSvo biblioTekaSi sakuTari wignis wardginebaze, romelic inga gogiberiZem umaRles doneze momiwyo. is Tavad gaxldaT biblioTekis xelmZRvaneli. mas Semdeg kidev orjer viyavi RonisZiebebze mowveuli. momwons Tanamedrove baTumi. didia misi roli saqarTvelos winsvlaSi, kulturaSi, xelovnebaSi. vicnob baTumelebs, romelTac pativs vcem da vafaseb.
