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saqarTvelos warmateba damokidebulia demokratiuli standartebis danergvaze, adamianis uflebebis dacvaze, gansxvavebuli Sexedulebebis pativiscemasa da kanonis uzenaesobaze, swored am sakiTxebis mogvarebas gvirCeven dasavleli megobrebi. qarTul politikur speqtrSi am mimarTebiT azrTa sxvaobaa. xelisufleba opozicias adanaSaulebs urapatriotobasa da populizmSi, opozicia ki mmarTvel partias – antiqarTul qmedebaSi, rac, maTi TqmiT, gamoixateba Tundac antidasavlur ritorikaSi. opozicia saSemodgomod xelisuflebas siurprizebs hpirdeba, rac mraval kiTxvas badebs: SeZlebs Tu ara opozicia seqtemberSi mZlavri saprotesto muxtis gaRvivebas mosaxleobaSi da dasavleTis Tanadgomis gareSe ra safrTxe emuqreba Cvens qveyanas? am da sxva aqtualur sakiTxebze `aWarasTan~ sajaro mmarTvelobis doqtori, bsu-is leqtori giga fartenaZe saubrobs.
– dRevandel saqarTveloSi arsebul realobaze ras ityviT?
– dResdReobiT Cvens qveyanaSi politikur dRis wesrigs Tu gadavxedavT, aSkarad ikveTeba naklebi impulsuroba. albaT, es aixsneba sazafxulo periodiT, Tumca iseTi STabeWdileba gvrCeba, TiTqos politikuri partiebi Tu samoqalaqo sazogadoeba Zalebis aRdgenis procesSia da axali SemarTebiT, ideebiTa Tu strategiebiT apirebs Semodgomaze qarTuli politikuri amindis formirebas. wina wlebTan SedarebiT, Cveni qveyana udidesi gamowvevisa da pasuxismgeblobis winaSe dgas (12-punqtiani gegmis Sesruleba), amitomac arc xelisuflebas da arc opozicias ar unda daaviwydeT mTavar, erovnul sakiTxze koncentrireba, raTa xelidan ar gavuSvaT istoriuli SesaZlebloba.
– diax, opozicia xelisuflebas saSemodgomod siurprizebs hpirdeba erovnuli daumorCileblobis kuTxiT, ras fiqrobT, rogori Sedegi eqneba amas?
– politikaSi nebismieri xerxiT brZola, romelic ganmtkicebuli da aRiarebulia konstituciiT, gamarTlebuli da mizanSewonilia. Tu Cven gvinda samarTlebrivi saxelmwifos Seneba, es formula Cveni brZolis taqtikis proporciuli unda iyos. rac Seexeba opozicias da maT saSemodgomo siurprizebs, vfiqrob, Tu qveyanaSi raRac ar mogwons da amis sawinaaRmdegod gagaCnia xelCasaWidi argumentebi Tu faqtebi, danaSaulad mimaCnia misi konkretuli `sezonisTvis~ gamoaSkaraveba. ufro rbilad rom vTqvaT, rac ufro naklebia faqtebiT gajerebuli argumentebi, miT ufro meti sivrce rCeba politikuri spekulaciebisTvis.
– vxedavT, rom opozicia da mmarTveli partia erTmaneTs 12-punqtiani evropuli rekomendaciebis dablokvaSi adanaSauleben, ramdenad mniSvnelovania am rekomendaciebis Sesruleba Cveni evropuli momavlisTvis?
– mocemuloba aris Semdegi (da sakiTxis mniSvnelobac, vfiqrob, martivad gasagebia): 12 puqtis Sesruleba Cveni qveynisTvis niSnavs evrokavSiris wevrobis kandidatis statusis miniWebas. ar SeasrulebT rekomendacias – da vrCebiT am istoriuli monapovris gareSe da faqtobrivad, vabrkolebT Cveni qveynis ganviTarebas. arcerT politikur partias Tu politikoss, vsaubrob prodasavlur (Riad Tu farulad mxardamWerebs vgulisxmob) flangze ar epatieba 12-punqtiani gegmis verSesruleba da pasuxismgeblobac unda iyos Sesabamisi.
– mmarTveli gundidan axlaxan gasuli deputatebi (subari, yavelaSvili, xundaZe) drodadro Cvens mokavSireebs akritikeben, rom maT saqarTvelos omSi CaTreva undaT, msgavsi gancxadebebi ramdenad azianebs saqarTvelos prodasavlur kurss?
– e.w. sameulisa gancxadebebi, romelic Cveni mokavSireebis Tu partniori qveynebis dadanaSaulebas, gakritikebas da mizanmimarTul diskreditacias eweva, aris gamiznuli da, ra Tqma unda, xels uSlis Cveni qveynis prodasavlur kurss, vinaidan isini ar moiazrebian damoukidebel politikur figurebad, maTi afilireba xelisuflebasTan aris absoluturad logikuri da gamarTlebulic.
– am bolo dros saqarTvelos prezidenti salome zurabiSvili sul ufro xSirad akritikebs mmarTvel partias sxvadasxva sakiTxTan mimarTebiT, es ris mimaniSnebelia?
– qalbatoni zurabiSvilis Secvlili ritorika miuTiTebs swored imaze, rom xelisuflebis mier gadadgmuli nabijebi (an umoqmedoba) kritikis sagania ara mxolod opoziciurad ganwyobili jgufebisTvis, aramed Tavad maT mier arCeuli prezidentisTvisac. es raze miuTiTebs, sazogadoebam gansajos, Tumca meore sakiTxia, ramdenad gulwrfelia Tu ara is, xelisuflebis kritikisas, da winaswar SeTanxmebuli xom ar aris Sesabamis pirebTan, xom ar itovebs xelisufleba erTgvar alternatiul gzas, erTi mxriv (aRmasrulebelma – mTavrobam, umravlesobam) akritikos Cveni dasavleli partniorebi, diplomatiuri korpusi da samoqalaqo sazogadoeba, xolo meore mxriv prezidentis institutma, piriqiT, daicvas kritikis obieqtebis interesebi da erTgvari balansi Seqmnas Sedegis miuxedavad.
– sxvaTa Soris, eqspertebi opozicias akritikeben da acxadeben, rom igi caitnotSia da urCeven erT mZlavr blokad gaerTianebas, Tqven ras ityviT opoziciur flangze?
– saqarTvelos Sidapolitikur procesebs da politikur ganwyobebs Tu SevadarebT wina wlebs, ikveTeba Semdegi tendencia: faqtia, rom xelisuflebisadmi opoziciurad ganwyobili sazogadoeba izrdeba wlidan wlamde, Tumca aRniSnuli ar aisaxeba opoziciuri partiebis balansze, logikurad xom SeiZleba daisvas kiTxva, ratom xdeba ase? vfiqrob, pasuxi swored opoziciis zogjer gaugebar, araTanmimdevrul da arajerovan qmedebebSi unda veZioT. gamosavali marTlac, ZalTa gaerTianebaSia, Teoriulad, ki batono, davuSvaT rom asea, magram realurad opoziciurad ganwyobili amomrCevlis gemovnebaze morgebuli modeli jerac ver warmoadgines partiebma, rac SeiZleba naklebi ndobiT aixsnas. qarTveli xalxi iTxovs cvlilebebs, Tumca opoziciur partiebs am dakveTis Sesruleba dRevandeli mocemulobiT, vfiqrob, Zalian gauWirdebaT, gamosavali ki swor sakadro politikasa da Ria politikis keTebaSi unda veZioT.
– alaparakdnen imazec, rom SesaZloa saakaSvili gaemijnos qarTul politikas da `nacmoZraoba~, Tu es realoba dadga, yofili mmarTveli partia SeinarCunebs mTavari opoziciuri Zalis statuss?
– faqti, rom qveynis mesame prezidentis gavlena kvlav aqtualuria `nacionalur moZraobaSi~ jiutia, Tumca isic unda gvaxsovdes, rom saqarTveloSi myofi mesame prezidentis faqtorma Tavis eleqtoratze ver moaxdina is gavlena, riTac SeZlebdnen xelisuflebis cvlilebas, risi naTeli magaliTic gaxlavT arCevnebis Sedegebi. vfiqrob, es iyo maqsimumi, risi dadebis saSualebac am mocemulobiT gaaCnia `nacionalur moZraobas~. mesame prezidentis wasvla qarTuli politikuri cxovrebidan niSnavs axali `cxovrebis~ dawyebas `nacionaluri moZraobisTvis~.
– cxadia, gverds ver avuvliT qveynis ekonomikur mdgomareobas, eqspertTa nawili acxadebs, rom Cveni xelisuflebebi ar arian dainteresebuli ekonomikis gaumjobesebiT, radgan dabeCavebuli mosaxleobis marTva advilia. . .
– mosazreba rom `Raribi~ mosaxleobis marTva ufro advilia, WeSmaritebaa. Tu xelisuflebis TviTmizani aris sazogadoebis anu qveynis keTildReoba da amisTvis saWiroebebze morgebuli proeqtebisa da RonisZiebis dagegmareba-implementacias uwyobs xels, ebrZvis korufcias, Tavisufali ekonomikuri garemos Seqmnas, Sansi imisa, rom mosaxleoba ekonomikurad gaZlierdes, didia, Tumca davsxdeT da mxolod xelisuflebas davuwyoT lodini, arasworia. Zlieri samoqalaqo sazogadoebisTvis ar kmara mxolod ekonomikuri siZliere. moqalaqis ZalauflebiT aRWurva SesaZlebelia sami faqtoriT: pirveli – ganaTleba, meore – informaciis xelmisawvdomoba da mesame – uflebis miniWeba anu am oris erToblivad gamoxatvis SesaZlebloba. es mocemuloba pasuxismgeblian xelisuflebas ar miscems modunebis saSualebas, aaridebs potenciur gadacdomebs da biurokratiul aparats gaxdis ufro efeqtursa da moqalaqeze morgebuls.
– sagareo sakiTxsac SevexoT – ukrainaSi omis meeqvse Tvem ra aCvena?
– pirveli – ruseTis uZlevelobis miTi daimsxvra, kidev erTxel dadasturda, rom es qveyana aris agresori da imperialisturi ideologiis da interesebis garda araferi ainteresebs, misTvis adamiani ar aris Rirebuli, ara mxolod ucxo qveynis moqalaqe (ukraineli iqneba es Tu qarTveli). sakuTaric ki arafrad uRirs. oficialuri monacemebiT, aTiaTasobiT rusi jariskacia ukve daRupuli ukrainis teritoriaze mxolod imitom, rom putinis axireba gaxldaT es. ris gamo ixoceba usastikesi meTodebiT udanaSaulo aTasobiT bavSvi, qali, xanSiSesuli adamiani? ruseTis sidiadis msxvrevis procesi dawyebulia ukrainaSi da is unda gaCerdes ukrainaSi da am process sxva alternativa ar aqvs.
– dasavleTis daxmareba ukrainis mimarT TvalsaCinoa, swored dasavluri SeiaraRebiT umklavdeba ukrainuli armia agresors, romelmac ukve ieriSi miitana yirimis naxevarkunZulze. . .
– ra Tqma unda, Zalian mniSvnelovan daxmarebas uwevs dasavleTi dRes ukrainas da ukrainel xalxs, Tumca modiT, mivyveT Tavidan – iyo da aris Tu ara es sakmarisi? dasavleTis reaqcia dagvianebuli iyo 2008 wels, rodesac Cven vafrTxilebdiT mTel msoflios, rom ruseTi dagvesxmeboda Tavs, 2014 welsac, roca moxda yirimis aneqsia da 2022 welsac, maSin rodesac yvela tribunis gamoyenebiT ukraina mouwodebda mTels msoflios, SeeCerebinaT ruseTi, Tumca ase ar moxda da ager ukve 6 Tvea 21-saukuneSi pirdapir eTerSi vuyurebT adamianTa xocva-Jletas. . . gvesmis, rom politikuri procesebis winaswarmetyveleba 100% sizustiT SeuZlebelia, Tumca Tu erTi saxelmwifos magaliTi (2008 wels ruseTis SemoWra saqarTveloSi) ar iyo sakmarisi imisTvis, rom ruseTis agresia realurad aReqva dasavleTs da winaswar gadaedga qmediTi nabijebi, 2014 welsac xom zustad igive ganmeorda yirimis magaliTze? da, samwuxarod, igive moxda mesamed, ukve 2022 wels isev ruseTis monawileobiT ukrainis suverenul teritoriaze SeWriT. dasavleTma ar unda Sewyvitos ukrainis rogorc ekonomikuri, ise samxedro mxardaWera, raTa es didi, `saxalxo interesebs~ amofarebuli boroti manqana erTxel da samudamod davamsxvrioT, rogorc daimsxvra nacisturi reJimi.
– ruseTi rom araprognozirebadi qveyanaa, cnobilia, zaporoJies regionSi ganlagebul atomur sadgurze rusi samxedroebi provokaciebs awyoben, amiT risi miRweva surs kremls?
– kremlis propagandistebma im mizans miaRwies, rom dasavlur, civilizebul sazogadoebaSi gaeRvivebinaT gancda, rom ruseTi aris araprognozirebadi qveyana, iracionaluri gadawyvetilebebis mimRebi, riTic surT, daTeson SiSi da moaxdinon zegavlena ara mxolod xelisuflebebze, aramed msoflio mosaxleobaze. kremls rom hqonoda atomuri Tu birTvuli iaraRis gamoyenebis gambedaoba, vfiqrob, amas aqamdec gamoiyenebda. es aris spekulacia da farTo sazogadoebis daSantaJeba-SeSinebis mcdeloba. ra Tqma unda, gamoricxuli araferia, Tumca faqti, rom putini Seecdeba zaporoJies viTareba `vaWrobis~ sagnad gadaaqcios, es cxadia.
– eqspertebi acxadeben, rom ukraina am oms moigebs, rasac rusi analitikosebi (piantkovski, ilarionovi. . .) ar uaryofen, am mxriv ruseTisgan ra siurprizebs unda elodos Tundac saqarTvelo da moldova?
– am omis dasrulebis Semdeg ruseTi veRar iqneba iseTi Zlieri, rogoric iyo 6 Tvis win, sanam SeiWreboda ukrainis teritoriaze. ruseTis ekonomika CamoSlilia axal-axali sanqciebiT, dawesebuli SezRudvebiT da udidesi samxedro da ekonomikuri danakargiT. xafangSi moqceuli daTvis msgavsad, jer gausaZlis tkivils SeebrZoleba, Semdeg ki es tkivili mas daanarcxebs Zirs.
– dabolos, araxalia, rom Cveni qveyana didadaa damokidebuli dasavleTis mxardaWeraze, rogorc am sakiTxSi kompetenturs, minda gkiTxoT: aSS-is da evrokavSiris Tanadgomis gareSe ra safrTxe emuqreba saqarTvelos?
– saqarTvelos istoriuli monapovari aris Cveni qveynis dasavlur civilizebul ojaxSi Rirseulad yofna, sasworis meore mxares ki devs ruseTis gaumarTavi da korufciisgan Campali biurokratiuli aparati, ugulebelyofili adamianis uflebebi, ganviTarebis da progresis nacvlad Waobi. Cveni miswrafeba – vaSenoT dasavluri, Zlieri da samarTlebrivi saxelmwifo, ganpirobebulia swored imiT, rom ar gvsurs, davbrundeT im WaobSi, romelSic 70 wlis ganmavlobaSi gvamyofes, Cven, rogorc saxelmwifo, ar gavnadgurdeT, damoukideblobisken swrafvis survilma SegvaZlebina, rom amovZveriT stagnaciidan da axla ukan dabruneba TviTlikvidaciis, suicidis tolfasia.
