,,როგორც შვილის სიყვარულს გრძნობ გულით, ასევე გრძნობს პოეტი თითოეულ სტრიქონს”
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leila lemsaZe Suaxevis municipalitetis sofel tbeTis lomsianeTis ubanSi daibada. mravalSvilian ojaxSi gazrdils ufalma poeziis niWi daanaTla. igi male leqsebis mesame krebuliT warsdgeba mkiTxvelis winaSe. Suaxevel poet qalTagan am asakSi aseTi aRiareba aravis hqonia. leila Cveni gazeTis stumaria.
– lomsianeTi mcired dasaxlebuli ubania, erovnuli meurneobis TiTqmis yvela dargis specialisti da araerTi cnobili mecnieria aq dabadebuli. qalTagan poeziis muzasTan damegobrebis TvalsazrisiT aq pirveli xarT, es rogor moxda?
– didi madloba, CemTvis pativia, viyo Tqveni gazeTis stumari. rac Seexeba kiTxvas, yvelaferi, ra Tqma unda, RvTis nebaa, Tumca zogierTi ram gadamdebia cxovrebaSi, irgvliv amdeni Semoqmedi Tu mecnieri mezobeli rom gvyavs, giCndeba ambicia, raime Senc gaakeTo, diax, esecaa, magram leqsebs rom vwer, es mainc dedaCemis damsaxurebaa, dedam icoda, rom me raRac leqsebis magvars vwerdi da vanadgurebdi. mrcxvenoda, rom meTqva, leqsi davwere-meTqi. deda sul marigebda, ar daxio dawerili leqsi, mjera, Svilo, eg leqsebi mzis sxivs ixilavso. . . ai, asec moxda.
– Tqveni poezia metwilad lirikulia, sxva JanrSic xom ar apirebT bedis cdas?
– iciT, vTvli, rom Cemi leqsebi yovelTvis sxvadasxva Janrs miekuTvneba, miuxedavad imisa, rom ara maqvs cvalebadi xasiaTi, isini saxesa da Janrs xSirad icvlian. gpirdebiT, rom aucileblad meqneba gansxvavebuli leqsebi. miyvars iumori, am Janrsac minda Cavwvde.
– mama RvTis msaxuria, deda diasaxlisi. Tqvens SemoqmedebaSi maTi roli rogoria?
– yvelaze metad miyvars es SekiTxva, mcire Sesworebas Sevitan – deda diasaxlisicaa da bebiaqalic. mTis soflebSi stiqia rom mZvinvarebda, dedaCemi erT-erTi iyo, vinc mSobiare qalebs mieSveleboda, igi 38-ze met bavSvs daexmara amqveynad mosvlaSi. Ddiax, mama RvTis msaxuria, sworedac misi damsaxurebaa, rom Svilebs RmerTis siyvaruli, rwmena da simtkice sulSi gvaqvs gamjdari. maTi roli upirvelesia Cems SemoqmedebaSi, dedaCemi gaxldaT Cemi motivatori da pirveli mkiTxveli. swored deda magulianebda, were, were Svilo, vin icis, ra dro dadgeba, erT dRes yvela gaigebs Seni leqsebis sitkboso… arasdros maklda maTi mxardaWera da mowodeba. Cemi pirveli wigni `davxetilob me Cems warsulSi~ swored Cems sayvarel ded-mamas mivuZRveni.
– Zmebic didi Zalaa disTvis, ase araa?
– maTi arseboba minaTebs sulsac da gulsac. SemiZlia vTqva xmamaRla da siamayiT, yvelaze magari Zmebi myavs, me Cemi Zmebis gazrdili var, maTi mxardaWeriT gavagrZele swavla universitetSi, miWirs Tu milxins, vici, rom gverdiT ori didi Zala da imedi myavs. dedasTan erTad Cemi pirveli mkiTxveli da Semfasebeli ufrosi Zma cezaria, xSirad viReb misgan SeniSvnebs da rCevebs, male Cemi leqsebis kidev erTi krebuli gamova da es wigni Cemi Zmebis finansuri mxardaWeriT daibeWdeba, ai, ase masuldgmuleben Cemi yovlisSemZle Zmebi.
– yvela poets aqvs gamorCeuli leqsi, romels gamoarCevdiT?
– marTali xarT. yvelas gvaqvs sulSi mZivad Camarxuli leqsi, me ai, am leqss gamovarCev, radgan mTa miyvars misi istoriiT:
ager Cemi saxli, ndobis
sabaduri.
warsulis guli da mudam
saamuri,
ager Cemi ezo sul
fafaraSlili,
ager Cemi gulic masSi
Camarxuli.
sevdam Camiyola kidec Camwyda
guli,
rogor dakargula wlebi
Jamgasuli,
sevda momeZala eniT jer
arTqmuli,
monatrebiT gaskda mTao,
Cemi guli.
ager nenes locva CadrSi
damaluli,
gaRmiT dedes facxa kalmiT
daxatuli,
ager Cemi suli cremliT
danamuli,
kidev Cemi saxli sevdis sabaduri.
fexiT moviare mTebi mTebis
gulic,
Cemi qurTluRi da tbebi
arnaxuli,
veli gadavTele fexiT
ieliani,
saxlSi biliks movyev,
aris wvimiani.
saxlis kari Ria, kvamli cad
asuli,
grZnoba dameufla, RmerTo, ar
naxuli,
RmerTo, damiloce qoxi
Tavaduri.
Cemi pawawina sevdis sabaduri.
– winadadeba an xatovani gamoTqma, romelsac leqsebSi xSirad imeorebT?
– leqsebSi xSirad ufals vaxseneb, romlis siyvarulis gareSe wami ar misunTqia, romlis siyvarulis wyalobiT gadavlaxe cxovrebaSi bevri problema, amitomac Cems leqsebSi xSirad naxavT frazebs: `madloba, RmerTo~ da `RmerTo gevedrebi~.
– ra asakSi agedevnaT poeziis muza?
– rogorc deda ambobs, skolaSi Sesulic ar viyavi, roca Cemeburad, zepirad vayalibebdi striqonebs. pirveli leqsi davwere pirvel klasSi, maSin deda droebiT aRmosavleT saqarTveloSi cxovrobda. momenatrnen mSoblebi, naxvas rom ver vaxerxebdi, monatreba striqonebSi gadavitane: `axla Ramdeba da guli mewvis, dResac uSedegod, tyuila gicdi, me ki momenatre, Cemo dedi, rogor myvarebixar, momklavs dardi~.
– romelma maswavlebelma moaxdina Tqvenze gansakuTrebuli gavlena?
– yvela pedagogebi kargi myavda, udavod. magram dRes Tu raimes vwer, es batoni ramin baxtaZis damsaxurebaa, misi wakiTxuli leqsi da gaSinaarseba axlac Camesmis. Cemi megobari-pedagogi ki qalbatoni nona jafariZe gaxlavT, visTanac SemeZlo mesaubra yvela Temaze da es dRemde grZeldeba. aqve madlobas gadavuxdi maT, rom arseboben Cvens cxovrebaSi.
– vis andeT leqsebis pirveli krebulis redaqtoroba?
– dRes rom vdgavar sazogadoebis winaSe, xmamaRla vkiTxulob leqss da gamovcem krebulebs, es baton vaxtang gograWaZis damsaxurebaa, is pirveli kiTxulobda internetsivrceSi Cems leqsebs. miTxra, momwons Seni leqsebi da modi gamovamzeuroTo. Sedegic mohyva. madloba vaxtang gograWaZes, xeli SemaSvela, rom meTqva Cemi sityva poeziaSi. rac Seexeba Cems pirvel krebuls – `davxetialob me Cems warsulSi~, misi redaqtoroba saganmanaTleblo organizacia `mwignobaris~ xelmZRvanel qalbaton manana wulukiZes vande da ar Sevmcdarvar. myavs mravali kargi mkiTxveli.
– poetebi xSirad sakuTar leqsebze ukeT sxvisas kiTxuloben, visi leqsebis wakiTxva giyvarT?
– poezia ise miyvars, yvela poetis leqsi wamikiTxavs, gulSi mwvdeba nana SainiZis leqsebi, magram galaktioni CemTvis ubadlo da maradiulia.
– zogierTi poeti, mwerali wigns Svils adarebs, TqvenTvis Tu gamodgeba es Sedareba?
– diax batono, sruli WeSmaritebaa, swored asea, rogori siTboTi da siyvaruliT elodebi Svils, asevea wignis gamosvlis drosac. maxsovs, raoden emociuri iyo Cemi pirveli wignis gamosvla, marTlac SviliviT miyvars. rogorc Svilis siyvaruls grZnob guliT, aseve grZnobs poeti TiToeul striqons.
– Rirseuli Svilis gazrdaa mTavari, Tu kargi leqsis dawera?
– tanSi Jruantelma damiara am SekiTxvaze, Svilis siyvaruli yvelaze gulwrfeli grZnobaa. es siyvaruli iarasaviT matyvia gulze. SeuRlebidan 6 wlis mere gamiCnda anri da mis siyvaruls yvela grZnobaze maRla vayeneb. umTavresia, upirvelesia Rirseuli Svilis gazrda. ufalma yvelas SegvaZlebinos Rirseulad aRvzardoT Svilebi (am etapze ar vuCivi beds, marTla Rirseuli biWia Cemi anri, is ukve 17 wlisaa). bedma Temur abaSiZis saxiT erTguli da ojaxis mosiyvarule meuRle marguna. vinaidan wignis gamocemac Svilis dabadebas hgavs, es orive grZnoba erwymis erTmaneTs – Tu aRzrdi Rirseul Svils, Caunergav RmerTisa da eris siyvaruls, maSin leqsic aucileblad kargi gamogiva da piriqiT, Tu leqsebSi kargad qargav qveynisa da adamianTa siyvaruls, maSin Svilsac kargad aRzrdi. diax, is upirvelesia.
– leqsisTvis yovelTvis ganmartoeba gWirdebaT?
– raoden gasakviric unda iyos, mniSvneloba ara aqvs, sad da rodis vwer, vwer sadac ar unda viyo, ra saqmesac ar unda vakeTebde, leqsi yavis moxarSvas hgavs, dadgam cecxlze da amoduRdeba, gulSi cecxli dainTeba da muza striqonebad amoifrqveva. ise, sxvebisgan gansxvavebiT, me ver vwer, roca bednieri var, vwer maSin, roca mtkiva, roca ganvicdi da yvelaze gulwrfeli var maSin, maxsovs, baTumSi plazis teritoriidan xofaze gasvlamde samarSruto avtobusSi davwere 11 strofi leqsi. mokled, vwer yvelgan da yovelTvis, roca muza gulSi da gonebaSi faTuns iwyebs.
– adgilobrivi kulinariisTvis damaxasiaTebeli kerZebidan romlis momzadeba giyvarT?
– kerZebis keTeba Zalian miyvars, xelsac miqeben da saukeTesoebsac vamzadeb, siamovnebiT vakeTeb `sinors~ da `Caqafuls~.
– samzareuloSi mofusfuses leqsi Tu dagiweriaT?
-ki, batono, ramdenic gnebavT, maxsovs, stumrebi modiodnen, Zalian vCqarobdiT, kerZebi droulad unda mogvemzadebina. uceb gonebaSi wamovida striqonebi, mivatove kerZebis keTeba da wera daviwye. xandaxan Cumad rom var da kiTxvaze aravis vpasuxob, ese igi vwer da xels aravin miSlis . . .
– Tqveni babua Serifi xeobaSi brZen kacad iTvleboda, sanaqebo mWedelic iyo. ras gaixsenebdiT masTan dakavSirebiT?
– madloba, rom Cemi didebuli babua gaixseneT. CemTvis bednierebaa brZeni kacis SviliSviloba, bevri gavizardeT babuis darigebebiT. axlac Camesmis misi xma: `Svilebo, rac ar unda gagiWirdeT, tyuili arasdros TqvaT, megobars, mezobels ar uRalatoT, ar iorpiroT~. SemiZlia gulwrfelad vTqva, rom yovel wams maxsovs misi darigeba da vTvli, rom matyuara ki ara, yvelaze pirdapiri da gulwrfeli var.
– asakSi Sesuli poetebi kbils prozasac usinjaven. Tqven ki adreve xom ar daiwyeT novelebis, moTxrobebis wera?
– ui, mgoni naadrevad mewvia sibere. male geqnebaT Cemi wigni, sadac Sesulia leqsebTan erTad, erTi romani da erTic moTxroba. aWaris mweralTa saxlis direqtorma, qalbatonma lali konceliZem miTxra, Sen mweralic unda dadge, Zalian STambeWdavia Seni prozao. aseve, qalbatonma cisana anTaZem gamaxara, sanam romani bolomde ar wavikiTxe, Wamac ar gamxsenebiao. mokled, ukve SeveWide rogorc moTxrobebis, aseve romanis werasac.
– sacxovreblad baTumze ukeTesi romeli qalaqi gegulebaT?
– ra dalevs lamaz qalaqebs, sad ar vyofilvar, magram Cemi baTumi sul sxvagvaria – patara, gulSi Casatevi da garinduli. .yovel diliT gadmovyureb baTums, viZirebi mis siyvarulSi da vRiRineb gulSi: `baTums qaTqaTas. . .~
– rogor reagirebT aWaris mTianeTSi davanebul xalxur dResaswaulebze?
– guli minaTdeba, survili mklavs, sul minda viyo aseT dResaswaulebze. madloba ufals, SevZeli davswrebodi `SuamTobis~, `kotijvris~ da, rac mTavaria, `jvarimindorobis~ dResaswaulebs. sityvebi ar myofnis, madliereba rom gamovxato. vinc bolo wlebSi dadioda am dResaswaulebze, damerwmuneba, ubralo qelexisgan ar gansxvavdeboda, ar minaxia iseTi organizebuli, masStaburi da mravalferovani RonisZiebebi, rogoric wels iyo. visargebleb SemTxveviT da xelisuflebis TiToeul wevrs, visi TanadgomiTac gaimarTa aseTi mravlismTqmeli da lamazi dResaswaulebi, madloba gadavuxado. Zala erTobaSia. gansakuTrebuli madloba Suaxevis municipalitetis merias, sakrebulos TanadgomisTvis da mSromeli kacis gaxarebisTvis.
– ramdenad xarT CarTuli mSobliur tbeTSi wamowyebul saxalxo dResaswaulSi?
– es Tema, samwuxarod, mtkivneulia CemTvis. mxolod erTxel SevZeli daswreba. ver gamigia, ratom ar SeiZleba erTi dRiT adre an gvian gaimarTos, radgan 28 agvistos mariamobaa. sxva RonisZiebebze miwevs gamosvla, am dros ki Cemi sabudari tbeTi mrCeba moukiTxavi. Cems sofelSi arasdros var vinmes misawvevi da arasdros viqnebi stumari, magram, merwmuneT, mravali kiTxva maqvs am RonisZiebis organizatorebTan da imedia, pasuxebsac miviReb.
– ras daamatebdiT?
– vercerTi qalis cxovreba ver Sedgeba, Tuki ojaxi gverdiT ar daudga. am mxriv gamimarTla. myavs araCveulebrivi ojaxi da rogorc SeuZliaT, midganan gverdiT. Cven mdidrebi arasdros vyofilvarT. Cveni simdidre siyvaruli da pativiscemaa. Cemma meuRlem maCuqa Tavisufleba da mas Zalian vufrTxildebi. ar SemiZlia ar gavixseno Cemi Zvirfasi dedamTili, romelic kovidma Seiwira. man me cxovreba maswavla. amqveynad rame samadlobeli Tu maqvs ufalTan da mSoblebTan, esaa Cemi da-Zmebi. rvani varT. es lemsaZeebis batalionia, Wirsa Tu lxinSi did imedad rom maCuqa RmerTma. madloba maT, rom macocxleben.
