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WeSmariti Tavisuflebis gancda mxolod im adamians SeuZlia, vinc daZlevs am soflis gravitacias: sulmdablur zraxvebs, egoizms, Surs, silaCres, vercxlismoyvareobas, angarebianobas. Tavisuflebas ar aqvs sazRvrebi, misi veqtori dedamiwidan iwyeba da galaqtikaSi gadis, amitomac ver gansazRvravs Tavisuflebas yofiTi garemoebani, igi adamianis sulSi budobs da xelSeuxebelia, – ase miaCnia poets, mecniers, filosofoss, Tbilisis ioane RvTismetyvelis saxelobis taZris winamZRvars, arqimandrit adam axalaZes, romelmac yvelaze mTavari jildo – adamianebis siyvaruli didi xania daimsaxura da yoveldRiurad cdilobs daexmaros maT, swori arCevani gaakeTebinos, siyvaruli Seayvarebinos. dRes igi Cveni stumaria.
– erTi dRiT bavSvobaSi rom dagabrunon. . .
– erTi dRiT?! ras ambobT? erTi wuTiT dabrunebac ki uzarmazar Zalas momcemda. me mas (bavSvobas) zustad ganvicdi, zustad vgrZnob, xelSesaxebad, egzistencialuri monatrebiT! bavSvobis erTi wuTis gacocxleba, xelaxla gancda amavsebda SemousazRvravi SemoqmedebiTi energiiT. ratom?! imitom, rom igi savsea TviTmyofadobiT, ufro zustad, bavSvoba Tavadaa TviTmyofadoba, grZnobebis, survilebis, siyvarulis, gancdebis, arsebobis, silamazis, amaRlebulis, mSvenierebis, adamianad yofnis TviTmyofadoba.
– baTumuri istoria, romelic sul Tan gdevT. . .
– ris Sesaxebac davwere: bocoria, soxumis quCa, zRvaSi Cadgmuli kinoekrani, skolis bolo zari, zRvas Sewiruli sicocxleebi. . . da is istoriebi, razec aucileblad davwer!
– gza, romelic gamoiareT, iyo. . .
– ekliani, tkivilebiani, nisliani, imedgacruebebiani. . . da mainc macocxlebelwvimiani.
– mudam Ziebisa da ganviTarebis procesSi xarT, mudam qmniT da gascemT, arada, TiTqos erTi adamianisTvis es yvelaferi SeuZlebelia. rogor poulobT sakuTar TavSi Zalas, ra gaZlevT inspiracias?
– vinc gaZlevs talants, is gaZlevs am talantTa xorcSesxmisTvis saWiro yvela Tvisebas, Zalas, unars. . . Cemi inspiratori ufalia.
– poezia xom poeziis moyvarulTaTvis sulis uebari wamalia, poetisTvis ki saSualebaa, Tundac piradi ambavi gaxados sazogado da daafiqros adamiani. . . ras niSnavs TqvenTvis poezia da ras niSnavs gerqvas poeti?
– poetoba bedisweraa! marTla kargi leqsis avtorebi samyofad gvyavs, poetebi – bevrad ufro cota, imitom, rom poetoba kargi leqsis weris garda, misiaa! RvTaebrivis, ciuris, amaRlebulis, gasxivosnebulis danaxvebaSia es misia da dacemulis, dabnelebulis, wyalwaRebulis SeyvarebaSi. ciuri rom daanaxo vinmes, jer Tavad unda grZnobde mas ucdomelad. dacemuli da damarcxebuli rom Seiyvaro, Tavad araerTxel Zirs dacemuls da danarcxebuls, madlierebis gancda ar unda gtovebdes, rom aRmdgarxar. poeti sxvaa, leqsis mTxzveli – sxva, `Sua uzis didi mzRvari~.
– mxolod erTi leqsi rom iyos Tqveni poezia, romeli iqneboda is?
– aseTi leqsi arc damiweria da arc imas vfiqrob, rom odesme davwer. erTi leqsi verafriT gamoxatavs kacis mTel saTqmels. Tumca am SemTxvevas xelidan ar gavuSveb, mkiTxvels rom Cemi poezia Sevaxseno.
uflis xis totiT
davificeb
(1993)
me miamdeba siyvarulis iara
wamiT, Cemo miwao,
glexkacis ofli saTibebSi
ros epkureba
namikrefias, timoTelas,
wvnik ulewelas. . .
an roca sisxli wiTel namad
moesxureba
qristesbeWedas, mariamas,
TeTr maCitelas. . .
samxled dakrefil bulaxebSi
TiTod avarCev
nacarqaTamas, msuqan TaTabos
da maTuTelas. . .
uflis xis totiT davificeb
Cems qristesisxlas
da mariamsakmelas nayofs!
Cemno caTanno!
me miamdeba mtkivani sulis
Wriloba imiT,
rom veferebi
qarTuli sityviT
amosulT miwiT.
– procesi, roca ibadeba axali leqsi…
– TiToeul leqss Tavisi istoria aqvs, Tavisi cxovreba da Tavgadasavali. yvelaferi ki iwyeba leqsis dabadebamde bevrad adre, roca sityvakazmul mwerlobaze usaSvelod Seyvarebuli, verc ki grZnob, leqsis sityvebs, striqonebs, surnels, ritms, simSvenieres, Sens wiaRSi rom atareb, Sens sulSi, Seni arsebis siRrmeSi – sasityvosnoSi – zustad ise, rogorc deda Svils orsulobis pirveli gamoucnobi dReebis ganmavlobaSi! mere modis leqsis dabadebis dro! Sen teqsts gonebaSi Txzav, kalmiTa da fanqriT wer, sabeWd manqanaze kref an kompiuteris ekranze aCen. aseTi ambiT dabadebuls mere bevri movla da zrunva sWirdeba: saxeli unda daarqva, yuradReba ar unda moaklo axalSobils – mravaljer gadaikiTxo, guldasmiT Caasworo, axleburad gadaiazro da samoselic SeurCio. . . ase rom, CemTvis leqsis dabadeba arasodesaa meyseuli procesi, Tumca xSirad amboben, – TiTqos raRac mkarnaxobs, me ki mxolod viwero. amitomac, Cemi azriT, sainteresoa da aucilebeli, magaliTad, galaktionis ubis wignakebis gacnoba axalgazrda literatorebisTvis. leqsis qmnis procesi unda gaTavisufldes miTosuri fuCeCisgan. es TavisTavze unda aiRos literaturis Teoriam da kritikam.
– ra aris Tqveni Semoqmedebis mTavari saTqmeli?
– igive, ra saTqmelic hqonda yovelTvis msoflio literaturas. mTavaria, rogor ambob am saTqmels! ai, am `rogorSia~ mTeli saidumlo sityvakazmuli mwerlobisa – Semoqmedis ostatoba. es ki ukve zecidan momadlebuli talantia, rasac mere mTeli cxovreba unda uvlide, eloliavebode, ofliT, cremliTa da sisxliT rwyavde, bedisweris erTgulebiT asazrdoebde! da mainc vityvi: Cemi saTqmeli isaa, Tu rogor cxovroben adamianebi, rogor uyvarT, rogor ibadebian, rogor kvdebian, rogor klaven, rogor tirian, rogor marxaven, rogor imedovneben, rogor Ralatoben, rogor xataven, rogor aSeneben, rogor qmnian musikas, rogor awyoben sufras, rogor SurT, rogor ewirebian imas, rac sicocxleze metad SeyvarebiaT. . .
– vnanob. . .
– ufro metad rom ver davemsgavse im adamians, vinc RmerTma Caifiqra, amqveynad rom momavlina.
– ra aRgafrTovanebT yvelaze metad?
– bevri ram, nayofiT daxunZluli vaSlis Tu atmis xeebidan – zevidan danaxul Rrublebamde; balRis Wlopinidan – adamianis genialurobis ukidures gamovlinebamde, vTqvaT, miqelanjelo buonarotis qandakebebamde. . . mgoni, am kiTxvas bevr Cems nawerSi gaveci pasuxi.
– saeklesio msaxureba – tvirTi Tu Sveba?
– saeklesio msaxureba tvirTicaa da Svebac. igi mxolod RvTisgan geZleva. ufali ki ase brZanebs: `movediT Cemda yovelni maSuralni da tvirTmZimeni, da me gangisueno Tquen. aRiReT uReli Cemi Tquen zeda da iswaveT Cemgan, rameTu mSvid var da mdabal guliTa, da hpooT gansuenebai sulTa TquenTai. rameTu uReli Cemi tkbil ars, da tvirTi Cemi subuq ars~ (maTe, 11, 28-30). erTic msurs vTqva: `rai mivago ufalsa yovlisaveTvis, romeli momago me?~ (fs. 115, 3), rac niSnavs Cvens SemTxvevaSi imas, rom veravin SeZlebs, ufals uTxras Sesatyvisi samadlobeli im udidesi jildosTvis, riTac gamoarCevs xolme vinmes da akurTxebs mRvdelmsaxurad.
– uyvarde, gendobodnen niSnavs, rom gadaarCine. . . ra gancdaa, roca sulierebis argaxunebaSi exmarebiT adamianebs?
– RmrTis msaxurebis arsi macxovris saxarebiseul sityvebSia: damwysen cxovarni Cemni (ioane, 21, 17). ase rom, adamiani, romelic eklesiaSi modis cxovnebis gzis sapovnelad, ara mxolod moyvasia Seni, aramed uflisa da macxovrisa Cuenisa ieso qristes cxovari. amitomac, masze rom zrunavs, mRvdelmsaxuri yovelTvis grZnobs qristes Sewevnas, Tanadgomas, wyalobas. ufals mindobili, cdilob, daexmaro, gadaarCino, swori arCevani gaakeTebino, amaRlebulisa da RvTaebrivisken mimarTo, siyvaruli Seayvarebino. . . wrfeli guliTa da rwmeniT ufals mindobili SeZlebs mxolod, anugeSos da zecisken miaxedos.
– nabiji, romliTac yvelaze metad amayobT…
– Tu damijerebT, arafriT vamayob, a – r a f – r i T ! ise ki `saamayo~ arCevanis gakeTeba unda iyos adamianisTvis. roca SeZleb, uari Tqva iaffasian popularobaze, fulis moxveWaze, karieraze, wuTier sisusteebze, codvaze, sxvis daCagvraze, rac ar gekuTvnis, imis mitacebaze, sul erTia, es materialuria Tu aramaterialuri – miwis nakveTi Tu premia, Tanamdeboba Tu saxeli. . .
– samecniero-pedagogiuri muSaoba gaZlevT saSualebas, mudmivad gqondeT urTierToba axalgazrdebTan. rogor SeafasebdiT maT? rogor fiqrobT, ra aris maTTvis prioriteti, rogoria maTi msoflmxedveloba, mokled, ra surT axalgazrdebs?
– studenti axalgazrdoba, visac Cven vaswavliT dRevandel universitetebSi, gaxlavT Cveni qveynisa da msoflios xvalindeli dRe. amitomac araferi unda iyos maT aRzrda-ganaTlebasa da maTze zrunvaze upiratesi qveynis interesebs Soris. Cven gvevaleba, viyoT maTi mamebi, dedebi, didedebi, papebi. aki Cvens Svilebs, SviliSvilebs, SvilTaSvilebs akliaT siyvaruli, Cveni siyvaruli, da es danaklisi aucileblad unda SevuvsoT maT. Cveni axalgazrdoba araCveulebrivia, mSvenieri, jansaRi. vaswavloT maT, rogor gaxdnen Tavisufalni da bednierni, rogor iyvnen mizanmimarTulni da dauRalavni, rogor Seiyvaron adamianis Semoqmedebis Tvaluwvdeneli samyaro da RmrTis mier Seqmnili ca da miwa! vaswavloT, oRond mSobliuri siyvaruliT, da iswavlian. mxolod amis Semdgom gvaqvs ufleba, movTxovoT, gamovcadoT, SevafasoT. ra surT axalgazrdebs? yvelaferi, rac aqamde surda yvela epoqis, yvela saukunisa da yvela Taobis axalgazrdobas. RmerTma dalocos da gaaxaros Cveni Svilebi, Cveni sayvareli axalgazrdebi!
– rogor fiqrobT, ra aris adamianis am qveynad mosvlis mTavari misia?
– upasuxos or SekiTxvas: `ra aris RmerTi~ da `ra aris adamiani~. unda vupasuxoT, cxadia, sakuTari SesaZleblobebis farglebSi. umTavresia, adamianma ifiqros amaze. imazec, rom igi unda gaxdes adamiani, Tavis TavSi unda aRadginos adamiani. misiis, rogorc urTulesi fenomenis sxva komponentebi am refleqsiaSi ibadeba. adamiani qmnis ojaxs, xdeba profesionali, aSenebs taZars, wers musikas, ayenebs Rvinos, kiTxulobs wignebs, teleskopiT gahyurebs varskvlaveTs. . .
– visTan erTad imogzaurebdiT msoflios garSemo da ratom?
– es rom SemeZlos! RmerTo, Seni Seqmnili dedamiwa rom vnaxo mTlianad. . . yvelaze metad, iciT, risi naxva minda? afrikis, yvelaze saocari kontinentis! visTan erTad vimogzaurebdi? studentebis jgufTan erTad. Tavad Sevadgendi am jgufs. vfiqrob, es Cemi erTgvari gzavnili iqneboda momavlisTvis. albaT, ase daiwereboda Cemi kidev erTi wigni, wigni imaze, Tu ra maqvs saTqmeli adamianad yofnaze maSin, roca vmogzaurob msoflios garSemo, vxedav, ra mravalferovania da ganumeorebeli TiToeuli geografiuli regioni, vxvdebi sruliad ucxo moxucebs, bavSvebs, qalebsa da mamakacebs, romlebic CemTvis kargad cnobil adamianebs magoneben! hoda, mec vixseneb, vfiqrob, vocnebob. . . diax. Cven unda viocneboT maSinac, rodesac viRac fiqrobs, rom mxolod nanaxiT unda viyoT STagonebulni.
– ra aris siyvaruli? gyvarebiaT TavdaviwyebiT?
– giyvardeT, giyvardeT, giyvardeT da TviT siyvaruli gaswavliT siyvaruls! Tavad gansajeT, vin aris ufro bednieri – is, vinc uyvarT, Tu is, visac uyvars? amisTvis gaixseneT, Seyvarebuli rom iyaviT! rogor dafrinavdiT, rogor iyaviT mzad, gulSi CagekraT mTeli qveyniereba, rogor dadiodiT sulelurad momRimari da kidev ufro sasacilod pirRia, rogor gaviwydebodaT Wama, sma, xandaxan sunTqvac ki – aki Tavad siyvaruli sunTqavda TqvenSi! imisTvis, rom siyvaruli dainaxo, mxolod siyvarulia saWiro. imisTvis, rom igrZno, Tu ra bednieria is, visac uyvars, unda Seiyvaro.
– guli mwydeba, rom. . .
– dRe-RameSi mxolod ocdaoTxi saaTia.
– wlebis Semdeg, Tqven Sesaxeb gamocemul wigns ra gindaT, eweros saTaurad?
– `mama adami. avtobiografia maradisobidan gamogzavnili komentarebiT~. ar vTvli, rom Cemze wignebi unda daiweros, miT umetes, es wignebi sxvebma rom daweron. ukeTesia, Tu me movaswreb ramdenime wignis Seqmnas. mwerlobis upiratesoba swored esaa. Tumca siymawvileSi Zalian miyvarda biografiuli romanebis kiTxva.
– yvelafris axlidan dawyeba rom SeiZlebodes, ras SecvlidiT an gaimeorebdiT sakuTari cxovrebidan?
– rom SeiZlebodes, davfiqrdebodi da getyodiT. ise ki, radganac adamiani amqveynad modis mxolod erTxel, anu erTxel eZleva amqveyniuri sicocxle, amitomac unda Seecados, ise ganvlos Tavisi cxovrebis gza, rom iSviaTad hqondes sanatrebeli, ex, neta xelmeored gaTendebodes dRevandeli dReo. . .
– rogoria Tqveni wili baTumi?
– miuwvdomeli. sxva saqmea, rogori minda iyos igi: RumelSi danTebuli cecxliT gamTbari, siyvaruliT savse adamianebiT garSemortymuli, wignebiani, aucileblad wignebiani, kidev – zRvispireTis surneliani, utkbesi saRamoebiani, da, ra Tqma unda, wvimiani! aki `miyvars wvima. ufro metic – wvima macocxlebs, masazrdoebs. ramdeni ram davwere wvimaze da, vgoneb, kidev davwer. amouwuravia da usasrulo fiqrebi wvimaze, wvimaSi, wvimiT nazardi, wvimiT STagonebuli, wvimiT dasvelebuli, wvimis wveTebs Sefarebuli~. albaT, Cemi SesaZlo wili baTumidan wvimaRa SemrCa! mas veravin wamarTmevs verasodes.
– profesiul uamrav jildosTan erTad gaqvT mTavari jildo, adamianebis siyvaruli. gazeT `aWaris~ saSualebiT, ras etyodiT Tqvens baTumelebs da zogadad adamianebs?
– Zvirfaso baTumelebo, miyvarxarT! ufalma RmerTma daglocoT da gagaxaroT! minda iyoT bednierebi, icxovroT aRorZinebul saqarTveloSi, mSvidobian da ayvavebul dedamiwaze, Zalian minda! xolo imisTvis, rom Cveni cxovreba ukeTesi gaxdes, gaxsovdeT, arasodes, arasodes atkinoT guli bavSvebs!

