რამ დააინტერესა ამერიკელი გამომცემელი ნათია ხადურის შემოქმედებაში?
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naTia xaduri – prozaikosi, poeti, samarTlisa da saerTaSoriso urTierTobebis specialisti, `persona 2021-is~ titulis mflobeli, im warmatebul adamianebs miekuTvneba, sakuTari ganviTarebisTvis mizanmimarTulad rom irjebian da TavianTi azrovnebiTa da moqmedebiT gamarjvebas aRweven. amis dasturia sagulisxmo da sasixarulo faqti – amerikel gamomcemelTan warmatebiT TanamSromloba. naTias romans `ierusalimamde~ male inglisurad ixilavs mkiTxveli. qalbatoni naTia amJamad amerikaSia, niu-iorkSi cxovrobs da muSaobs. igi Tavisi SromismoyvareobiT adamianebs magaliTs aZlevs da mkafiod aCvenebs, Tu ra SeuZlia motivirebul pirovnebas, materializebul azrs. dRes qalbatoni naTia gazeT `aWaris~ stumaria.
– amerikeli gamomcemlis daintereseba didi miRwevaa, Tqvens romans `ierusalimamde~ male msoflio bazarze inglisurad ixilavs mkiTxveli, gilocavT. ras gvetyviT amis Sesaxeb?
– es saocari faqti iyo. rodesac Cemi romanidan maT amonaridi gavugzavne wignis Sinaarsis warmosaxvisTvis, daaxloebiT 30 wuTSi miviRe Setyobineba. `Cven uamrav avtors vesaubrebiT, magram vitovebT ramdenime nawers. ai, Tqveni naweri ki maiZulebs xelidan ar davdo is. daviwyoT TanamSromloba dResve~. raRa Tqma unda, aRvfrTovandi. martivi ar aris, moipovo maTi aseTi keTilganwyoba. Semdeg wignis ydis dizainze mkiTxes. vuTxari, rom is ukve mqonda da dizainis Secvlas ar vapirebdi. rodesac isic naxes, mowoneba da interesi erTdroulad daafiqsires. bolos vuTxari, rom wignis ydis dizains hqonda miRebuli jildo `literaturuli dizaini~. mokled, Cemi da maTi urTierToba pirvelive winadadebidan sainteresod daiwyo. danarCens Sedegi gvanaxebs, udidesi proeqtia da Cemi pasuxismgeblobac didia, Aaseve, Cemi Tavdajerebuloba, rac mafiqrebinebs, rom yvelaferi kargi win aris. . .
– axla niu-iorkSi cxovrobT. rogoria emigrantis cxovreba da, rogorc legalizebuls, ra uflebebi da movaleobebi gaqvT, aseve, rogoria Tqveni TvaliT danaxuli amerika da amerikelebi?
– sawyis etapze yvelasTvis (legali, aralegali) erTnairad rTulia ucxo qveyanaSi fexis adgma. aq ufro fsiqologiuri stabilurobaa Seguebis da sirTuleebis gadalaxvis mTavari aqtori. Cems SemTxvevaSi, yvelaferi gacilebiT martivad aewyo, radgan Zalian martivad Camovedi am qveyanaSi da sabuTebic sakmaod gamarTuli maqvs sawyisisTvis. rac Seexeba am bumberaz qveyanaSi fexis adgmas, esec saocari SemarTebiT daviwye da asec grZeldeba. jer mxolod oTxi Tvea, rac Camovedi da ukve Zalian kargad vgrZnob Tavs. ar minda is adamianebi gavanawyeno, vinc am gzas Zalian didi sirTuleebis gadalaxvis xarjze gadis. diax, es simarTlea, rom qarTvelebs udidesi Zalisxmevisa da riskis fasad ujdebaT aq Camosvla. magram, Cems SemTxvevaSi, yvelaferi TiTqos cidan movlenil saswauls hgavs.
– simReriTa da leqsiT daiwyo Cemi da amerikis urTierTobao – werdiT erT postSi. . .
– diax, Cveni urTierTobis pirvelive wuTebidan vmReri, leqsebs vkiTxulob, vwer, mixaria. . . es ar niSnavs, rom ukve yvelaferi, rac aq cxovrebisTvis mWirdeba, xelisgulze midevs, magram, mainc bednieri var, ufro davakonkreteb: ar vgulisxmob, rom amerikaSi yofnaa TavisTavadi da erTaderTi bedniereba. ufro is, rom Cemi cxovreba Sevida bednierebis fazaSi. Signidan modis es yvelaferi da ereva yvela gare faqtors, romelic dabrkolebebs warmoSobs xolme. niu-iorki – mesame qalaqi, romelic CemTvis sacxovreblad avirCie. . . `CemTvis sacxovrebad~, imitom, rom TanacxovrebisTvis arc ise martivi xasiaTi maqvs. . . melodia unda daibados Cemsa da Cems arCeuls Soris da unda gvindodes sixarulis erTmaneTTan gaziareba. yvelas da yvelafers sWirdeba Tavis enaze saubari da sulis siRrmeebSi wvdoma. ar aris martivi niu iorkis hegemonisturi zraxvebis gamocnoba, Tumca ufro rTulia, cxovrobde masSi da ara gagegebodes ra misi boboqari gulisa, romelsac SeuZlia Tavisnairi uzarmazari sixaruli mianiWos adamians, visac Tanaziarad gaixdis. . . Cemi Tbilisi – Cemi pirveli `arCeuli~. . . ase viwyeb xolme ambis moyolas, rodesac cxovrebis urTules dReebs vixseneb. qalaqi, romelmac Cemi pirovneba da Tandayolili xasiaTi SeauRla da miviRe erTiani, mTliani `me~. . . qalaqi, romelmac yvelaferi momca, rac Cemi sulis sisavsisTvis mindoda da qalaqi, romelic Cemi saxlia. . . Semdeg ierusalimi iyo, Cemi utkbesi mogonebebis samyaro da Cemi Semdgari siyvaruli. . . da ai, niu-iorki. guls sjera, rom Cven erTmaneTi Segviyvardeba, radgan Cveni Tanacxovrebis pirvelive akordi maJoruli gamiT daiwyo. nuravin metyvis, rom siyvaruli mxolod erTi arsebobs. araviTari! – Seyvareba imdenjer SeiZleba, ramdenjerac sicocxlis SegrZneba aris SesaZlebeli. me meoris SeyvarebiT pirvelisTvis araferi damiklia. piriqiTac, gamovaswore kidec Cemi xasiaTis naklovanebebi da vnanob, rom kidev meti urTierToba iyo SesaZlebeli da zogjer dros umecariviT vflangavdi. anu, ramdenjerac Seviyvareb, imdenjer izrdeba CemSi mcxovrebi adamiani. ra saocaria cxovreba, ara? – mTavaria, bedniereba gindodes da iseT korifeebsac Sewvdebi, niu-iorkTan urTierTobebis xelovneba rom hqvia. ise, cota uxasiaTo mec var, magram araferia. . . vin aris, rom sulis laJvardis usasrulobas grZnobdes da martivad uyurebdes RmerTis Semoqmedebas. rom dameCemebina, Cemi qalaqi goria da mxolod is unda miyvardes-meTqi, amiT niu-iorks ki ar daakldeboda rame, aramed Cemi Seyvarebis unaris Tvalsawieri iqneboda viwro. gori Cemi upirobo siyvarulia da is sul iqneba Cemi siyvarulis maswavlebeli, magram, rac didi qalaqebis SeyvarebiT SeviZine, namdvili ganZia. erTia, upirobod rom giyvars da – meore, rom Segiyvarda. . . bednierebaa, rom aRmoaCen, Seyvareba SegiZlia. radgan visac ar uyvars, is ar icnobs RmerTs, radgan RmerTi siyvarulia. siyvarulisTvis madloba, RmerTo.
– mogzauroba giyvarT. qveynebi, sadac iyaviT da apirebT Casvlas. Tqveni, rogorc prozaikosis interesi da mizani am kuTxiT?
– simarTle giTxraT, amJamad ver davikvexni mravali qveynis xiblis naxviT, Tumca, uaxloesi periodidan daviwyeb da, albaT, bevrs vimogzaureb. ramdenime qveynis gacnobiT Semovifarglebi mxolod. mogzauroba sxva masStabebia da vimedovneb, rom esec gamova.
– rogorc iuwyebodiT, daasruleT axali, mesame romani `jariskacis sagzali~, romlis eleqtronulma versiam araerTi gamoxmaureba hpova. maTgan gansakuTrebiT romelma dagafiqraT, gaaZliera Tqveni SemoqmedebiTi muxti?
– diax, gidasturebT am informacias. ra Tqma unda, CemTvis mniSvnelovania yvela im adamianis Sefaseba, visac xelewifeba es – literaturis specialistebi. Tumca gadamwyveti sityva, mainc mkiTxvels ekuTvnis. dekembris dasawyisSi is ukve xelmisawvdomi iqneba yvelasTvis. uamrav Setyobinebas viReb piradad, sad SeiZinon es wigni. is mTavari muxtia, romelic am kiTxvas absoluturi gulwrfelobiT pasuxobs.
– `sikeTe erTaderTia, rasac dedamiwaze abnev da caSi varskvlavebad grovdeba~ – lamazad TqviT, es TiTqos bevrma icis da mainc, sikeTis naklebobaa dedamiwaze. . .
– imitom, rom sikeTis qmna yvelaze rTuli moqmedebaa. aseT Zalisxmevaze ki adamianebis umravlesoba ar midis. radgan es xSir SemTxvevaSi, piradi komfortis zonidan gamosvlasac niSnavs. gaakeTo keTili saqme, ar niSnavs, rom unda iyo mdidari. zogjer es SesaZloa sakuTari lukmis sxvisTvis ganawileba – daTmobasac niSnavdes. amitom ar midian adamianebi aseT msxverplze. ufro zustad, aseTi msxverplis gaReba mxolod maT ZaluZT, visac es niWi RmerTisgan eboZa. sikeTis qmnis unari sulis mdgomareobaa, romelic Tandayolili niWia.
– `Cemi cxovreba Sedgeba yvela asakisgan, bavSvic var, moxucic da axalgazrdac~. es Tqveni avtoportreti interess iwvevs. . .
– diax, asea. Tu imdenad gavizrdebi, rom Cems pirovnebaSi bavSvi aRar iarsebebs, veRarasdros viqnebi gulwrfeli. moxucSi is dabrZenebuli, xandazmuli vigulisxme, mTeli cxovrebis codna da gamocdileba rom daugrovda, Cemi Tavi ki – maT Soris mdgomi asaki, xan erTs rom moixdens da xan meores. da umTavresi, vTqvi, rom adamiani rTuli fenomenia. misi pirovnebis mdgeneli mxolod calke aRebuli erTi konkretuli periodi an cxovrebis epizodi ver iqneba. is aris im yvela dRisa da asakis erToblioba, rac ukve iyo da isic, rac momavalSi unda iyos. SesaZloa, vinmem Tqvas, momavalSi vin iqneba, dRes ver gansazRvravso. sworedac rom ganvsazRvrav, radganac oTxi aTeuli weli Tavad gansazRvravs, vin iqnebi momavalSi.
– sikvdili siyvaruls ver klavs. . . ki, asea da mainc, sikvdili umravlesobas xom aSinebs?
– diax, sikvdili adamianis yvelaze veragi da amazrzeni mteria. sikvdili aris sicocxlis sapirispiro mdgomareoba. sicocxleSi yvelafris unar-SesaZlebloba gvaqvs, sikvdilis mdgomareobaSi – arafris. sxvaTa Soris, am sakiTxs Cems mesame romanSic ganvixilav. solomonis sityvebiT rom vTqvaT: `yvelaferi, rasac xels mohkidebT, gulmodgineT akeTe, radgan arc saqme, arc Canafiqri, arc codna da arc sibrZne ar aris samareSi, sadac midixar~. aseTi mdgomareoba ki TavisTavad aris sazareli.
– siZneleebs ar eguebiT, ori Svilis gamzrdeli deda warmatebuli adamiani xarT. ram ganapiroba Tqveni es SemarTeba da motivacia?
– amisi mTavari aqtori, pirvel rigSi, Seni Sinagani samyaro, Tandayolili buneba aris, Semdegi aqtori, ukve – pasuxismgebloba. me ar mindoda Cemi pirovnebis winaSe vyofiliyavi upasuxismgeblo, romelsac mudmivad ganviTareba undoda. am pasuxismgeblobas, mgoni dResac yairaTianad varTmev Tavs, radgan pirovnuli ganviTarebis procesi isev aqtiur fazaSia.
– wigni, romelic sulierad gaZlierebT?
– biblia, es aris erTaderTi wigni, romlis avtoric RmerTia, amitom, sulierad ganviTarebis pirdapirproporciulia. es aris erTaderTi wigni, rac ki kacobriobis istoriaSi arsebula, romelic yvelaze met enazea naTargmni da yvelaze didi tiraJiT aris gamocemuli.
– ra migvaCniaT adamianis pirovnuli siZlieris wyarod da ras urCevdiT adamianebs, gamowvevebs rom gaumklavdnen?
– aqac ar meqneba martivi pasuxi. adamianis siZlieres ganapirobebs misi uryevi rwmena RmerTisadmi, codna, inteleqti, erTgulebis, siyvarulis unaris, Sromisa da Zalisxmevis erToblioba, rac yvela saqmeSi upiratesia. Tu siyvaruliT ar akeTeb saqmes da erTguleba ar geyo, rom Sedegamde misasvlel gzaze sirTuleebi gadalaxo, albaT, verc verasdros dadgeba Sedegi. Zlieri da warmatebuli adamianis naxelavi erTi SexedviT ise martivi Cans, TiTqos erT dReSi Seiqmna, erT dReSi daibada. arada, udidesi Sromisa da Zalisxmevis produqti aris yoveli warmatebuli saqme. Cems SemTxvevaSi, es gacilebiT rTuli aris, radgan yvelafers, rasac vakeTeb, vakeTeb marto, Cemi gonebis, gulisa da xelebis imedad. mxolod RmerTma icis, rasac axla vambob, radgan Zneli aris zogjer aseTi ambebis dajereba.
