,,ვერასოდეს ვერაფერი შეცვლის მელნით გაჯერებული ფურცლის სუნს”…
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namdvili talantia, am Wabuks didi momavali aqvs – ase ganacxada cnobilma literaturismcodnem da mweralma, mravali saxelovani mwerlis gzamkvlevma murad mTvareliZem, roca aleqsandre (leqso) kakiaSvilis novelebi waikiTxa da urCia avtors, gamosaqveyneblad literaturuli gazeTisTvis gaegzavna. novelebi dabeWdes da saqebarma gamoxmaurebebma cxadyo axalgazrda mwerlis warmatebuli starti; leqsom mkiTxveli miizida, daainteresa. am TavisTavadi, sakuTari xelweris mqone avtoris literaturul asparezze gamoCena sasixarulo da imedismomcemia, is wers uSualod da sainteresod, gamoirCeva naTeli gonebiTa da gulwrfelobiT, rac am interviuSic kargad Cans.
– samwerlo asparezze gamosvlisTanave miiqcieT yuradReba, saqebari sityvebi ar dauSurebiaT. . . gansakuTrebiT vis emadlierebiT, rogor moxda Tqveni kurTxeva mwerlad?
– pirvel rigSi, rogorc WeSmariti qristiani, vmadlob ufals yoveli im sikeTisTvis, rac man Cemzed mowyalebad gaiRo. rac Seexeba madlierebis saero mxares, ar SemiZlia gansakuTrebuli madliereba ar gamovTqva baton murad mTvareliZisadmi. swored, misi adamianuri arsis, uSurvelobis, gulis da sulismieri mimReblobis damsaxurebaa, rom sakuTar TavSi rwmena aRmovaCine, rwmena imisa, rom Tundac Cemi erTi umniSvnelo novelac ki adamianTaTvis sulier Rirebulebas warmoadgenda. Aaseve, im adamianebs minda gadavuxado madloba, romelTac sjerodaT, sjeraT da swamT Cemi, rogorc erTi rigiTi mwerlis. swored rom maTi damsaxurebaa yovelive es. visargebleb SemTxveviT, Tqvenis nebarTviT da madlobas gadavuxdi xaSuris saxalxo Teatris reJisor guram kapanaZes erTguli megobrobisTvis, swored man gamacno batoni muradi.
– Tqveni STagonebis masazrdoebeli wyaro?
– adamianebi, movlenebi. ar aris aucilebeli raime gansakuTrebuli mzaoba imisTvis, rom STagoneba gewvios. sruliad spontanurad, SesaZloa, iseT mocemulobas waawyde quCaSi, rom warmoudgenel irealur samyaroSi gamogzauros. aAseve, warsulis `skivrSi~ saguldagulod gadamaluli mogonebebic gansakuTrebuli inspiraciis wyaro xdeba mwuxris Jams.
– roca bavSvobas, ganvlil gzas gadaxedavT, mogonebebi feradia?
– Cemi bavSvoba, iseve rogorc im dros aRzrdili yvela bavSvis, mZime gaxldaT. omiT, upovrobiTa da uqonlobiT gajerebuli periodi iyo, amitom bavSvobis mogonebebs ferebi aklda. ver vityvi, rom uferuli iyo, magram imas aucileblad davsZen, rom rodesac bavSvobis mogonebebis Zvel, mtvriT dafarul `skivrs~ mivadgebi, gansakuTrebuli siTbo meRvreba gulSi. ar vici, SesaZloa, swored esaa is feri, romelic am mogonebebs aferadebs, magram is ki vici, rom gansakuTrebuli da Rirebulia.
– pirvelad Tqveni nawarmoebebi baton murad mTvareliZes miutaneT dasaWaSnikeblad. . . es arCevani, cxadia, Segnebulad gaakeTeT. . .
– ki. rogorc TavSi aRvniSne, Cemi megobris daxmarebiT, baton murads veaxleT. raRa Tqma unda, es Segnebuli nabiji gaxldaT, radgan batoni muradi CemTvis profesionalizmis is `metria~, romelic Tavad drom gamoawrTo. modiT, am yovelives meore mxridan SevxedoT. CemTvis, rogorc axlad gacnobili adamianisTvis, yvelaze mniSvnelovani da sulismieri Rirebuleba misi adamianoba, uSualo da guliTadi damokidebuleba gaxldaT. gana vin viyav, an Tundac, var?. . . erTi ubralo frazis mkrebavi, romelic midis proza-poeziis `metrTan~ da misgan yuradRebasa da guliTad damokidebulebas grZnobs. gana es araa rwmenis safuZveli? gana sxva rwmunebas saWiroebs CemsaviT ubralod frazis mkrebavi?. . . am yvelaferma ki gansakuTrebuli Zala momca, rom sakuTari Tavis merwmuna.
– cifrul epoqaSi SevdivarT, icvleba Zveli cxovrebis wesi. bevrisTvis es gadawyoba mtkivneulia. Tqven, rogorc mwerali, rogor aRiqvamT amas da rogoria transformaciis Tqveneuli gza?
– ra droc unda gavides, ra progresic unda ganaviTaros sazogadoebam, verasodes veraferi Secvlis melniT gajerebuli furclis suns. xelnaweri da xeliT qmnili mudam darCeba im erTaderT, unikalur `Zeglad~, rac aucileblad gauZlebs dros, epoqas da ganviTarebis uCveulo registrsac. rac Seexeba wesis Secvlas da gadawyobas, marTalia, mtkivneulia, magram gardauvalia. gardauvaloba ki arsidan gamomdinare, iZulebiTi qmedebis erTgvari gamomxatveli qmedebaa da gvsurs Tu ara, veguebiT kidec. SeuCerebeli procesia da misi ugulebelyofa, vTvli, rom aragonivruli iqneba. `ubralod, saWiroa, fexi avuwyoT, magram Zvel taZarSi kvlav gvenTos Tundac erTi martosuli kandeli.
– mTavaria sami rame qveyanaze – siyvaruli, sikeTe da silamaze. . . am azris Tqveneuli interpretacia. . .
– ufali, adamianuri arsi da sispetake. uflis gareSe siyvarulis qmediToba warmoudgenelia, radgan Tavad ufalia siyvaruli. Tu uflisadmi rwmena ar gagaCnia adamians, arc `siyvarulisa ara gesmis ra, rac Seexeba adamianur arss, ufalma xatad Tvisad Seqmna adamiani da uboZa is unikaluri, ukvdavi, sauflo materia, rasac Cven suls veZaxiT da uwoda mas adamiani. gamomdinare aqedan, adamianuri arsi TiToeul CvenganSi pirvelad qmnili sispetakea da mas xeluxleblad, SeubRalavad movla da patronoba sWirdeba. samwuxarod, dRes ukve es iSviaTi movlenaa, razec Zalian mwydeba guli. adamianebi dRiTi dRe iviwyeben adamianur arss. axla ki sispetake. . . is, rac spetakia, upirobod lamazia!
– ra elis xval anu momavalSi qveyanas? rogor fiqrobT, axla es yvelaze metad vis adardebs da saerTod, vis unda adardebdes da zrunavdes Cveni ukeTesi mermisisaTvis?
– am tempiT da ase erTmaneTis `kbeniT~ Sepyrobil ersa Tu bers, zogadad, momavalSi ra elis ki ara, momavali Tu elis, esaa sakiTxavi. qveynis momavals sazogadoeba unda qmnides da sazogadoebis interesebis gamtarebeli xelisufleba. me Tu Cemi Svilis momavali ar madardebs, vis movTxovo sxvas, rom masze idardos? analogiurad unda iyos eri ganwyobili qveynisadmi da maSin aucileblad progresic SesamCnevi gaxdeba. xelisuflebas sazogadoeba irCevs da sazogadoebasve ZaluZs cvlileba.
– TaobaTa cvla bunebrivi procesia, magram SeiniSneba ufrosi Taobisadmi ukmayofileba. es ganwyoba bevrs swyins. . .
– Cemi azriT, es is kanonzomierebaa, romelic urRvevia. Cndeba axali miswrafebebi, rasac dro da maT Soris, teqnologiuri progresic xels uwyobs, amitom xSirad ukmayofilebas warmoSobs. Tumca, erTaderTi, rac savaldebuloa nebismieri Taobis warmomadgenelTaTvis, es pativiscemaa! es ukanaskneli ki aRzrdaze metyvelebs da ara gazrdaze! Tuki Taoba aRzrdilia, maSin pativiscema ufrosi Taobis mimarT upirobod eqneba da Tuki gazrdilia Taoba, maSin pativs mxolod sakuTar Sexedulebebs scems. am problemis Tavi da Tavi, mainc aRzrdaSi mgonia.
– Cveni tradiciebidan ra migaCniaT TanamedroveobisaTvis Seufereblad?
– zogadad, tradiciebis mimarT arcTu saTanadod var keTilganwyobili. uamravi tradiciaa, romelic damaxinjebuli saxiTaa Semonaxuli, da arsebobs iseTi tradiciebic, romelsac, Cemi neba rom iyos, CanasaxSive aRvkveTdi. es tradiciebi, garkveulwilad vnebs rogorc adamians, aseve sazogadoebas. saSineli Rreobis tradiciebi aviRoT, TanamedroveobaSi ki ara, warsulSic zedmetia, rom gvaqvs. aviRoT myofadi tradiciebi, Tundac gasvenebis an qorwilis. . . aqac ukidegano Wama-smamde mivdivarT. gana es normaluria? me ar momwons msgavsi tradiciebi.
– sicocxle maradiuli sisxldena iqneboda, rom ar arsebuliyo xelovneba. . . am frTian gamoTqmas Tqven rogor gaiazrebT?
– Tavad `moyvaruli~ msaxiobi gaxlavarT, miTamaSia rogorc TeatrSi, aseve kinoSic. xelovneba rom ara, sicocxlec warmoudgeneli iqneboda. yvelaze diadi Semoqmedi Tavad ufalia, mimoixedeT garSemo gana es yovelive diadi Semoqmedis xelovnebis nimuSi araa? da Tu asea, dasabamidan uflis xeliT qmnil, xelovnebis uzado nimuSad warmodgenil samyaroSi, uflis xatad qmnil adamianT ZaluZT emsaxuron am diad monapovars. me Cemi mTeli Segnebuli cxovrebis ganmavlobaSi im uricxv meomarTagani viqnebi, romelnic mudam ibrZvian am saganZuris dasacavad. Tuki adamians xelovnebisadmi pativiscema ar gaaCnia, verc sikeTis marcvali aRmoucendeba gulSi. cota Temidanac gadavuxvev, Tumca, zomierad. rodesac vwer, weris procesSi garkveul rols TamaSobs musika, JReradoba, romelic werisas Tematikis Sesabamisia da es erTgvari berketia CemTvis, raTa Cems novelebs, moTxrobebs sul sxva feri SevsZino.
– wigni, romelic gamorCeulad giyvarT da ratom?
– bevri wignia aseTi, magram mainc Cvens, qarTvel mwerlebs mivaniWebdi upiratesobas. mikerZoebuli viqnebi am kuTxiT da Cvens xasiaTs, Cveni eris niSas rac ukeT warmoadgens, is mirCevnia. magaliTad rom moviyvano, bavSvobaSi jovani bokaCos `dekamerons~ SeveWide. TiTqmis kvira vikiTxe, magram vera gavuge ra da dedis rCeviT, nodar dumbaZis `me vxedav mzes~ wavikiTxe. Cems mokrZalebul axsnasac ar saWiroebs am sulmnaTi adamianis Semoqmedeba… magram Tuki meore gamorCeul wigns vigulisxmeb, maSin dante aligieris `RvTaebrivi komedia~ upiroboa. am wignma gansakuTrebul samyaroSi mamogzaura, samyaroSi, sadac sevda didebulobda da misi sidiade imdenad Cemeuli iyo, rom ase mgonia, realur cxovrebaSic ki amixda.
– yvelaze metad ra kiTxva unda dausvas adamianma Tavsac da sxvasac?
– bednieri xar?
– dabolos?…
– dabolos, minda Tqvens mkiTxvels mivesalmo, madloba gadavuxado, rom maTi cxovrebis ramdenime wami damiTmes. ufals vebarebodeT.

