პუტინმა თავად დაამსხვრია რუსეთის უძლეველობის მითი
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ruseT-ukrainis omi mniSvnelovan gavlenas moaxdens evraziis kontinentze da maT Soris postsabWoTa qveynebis momavalze, ris Sesaxebac saubroben ara mxolod ukraineli, aramed dasavleli analitikosebic. Tu ruseTi ukrainaSi damarcxda, es mniSvnelovnad daaCqarebs agresiis qveS myofi saxelmwifoebis integracias dasavlur samyaroSi, sapirispiro suraTis SemTxvevaSi ki mTeli msoflio wesrigi amoyiravdeba da saqarTvelos ra momavali elis, veravin ityvis. sxvagvarad rom vTqvaT, am omis dasrulebis Semdeg bevri ram gairkveva, rogorc politikuri, ise ekonomikuri TvalsazrisiT. Cndeba kiTxvebi: ras niSnavs ruseTSi nawilobrivi mobilizacia, saqarTveloSi rusi mosaxleobis masobrivi migrireba ra safrTxes Seicavs da amJamad ra fazaa ruseT-ukrainis omSi? am da sxva aqtualur sakiTxebze saubrisTvis sajaro mmarTvelobis doqtors, bsu-is leqtor giga fartenaZes mivmarTeT.
– omis meSvide Tvis miwuruls ruseTis prezidentma nawilobrivi mobilizacia gamoacxada ukrainaSi sajariso danakargebis Sesavsebad, ra gaxda am gadawyvetilebis mizezi da ras unda velodoT samomavlod?
– ruseTis armiis uZlevelobis miTi ukraineli xalxis Tavdadebis Sedegad Tavad putinma daamsxvria maSin, rodesac mobilizacia gamoacxada. mogexsenebaT, rom mobilizacia cxaddeba swored maSin, rodesac omSi CarTuli saxelmwifo mniSvnelovan danakargs ganicdis, frontis xazze aqvs danaklisi, moraluric da raodenobrivic, rac saswrafod unda Seivsos. am gadawyvetilebis Sedegebi, vfiqrob, umZimesi iqneba Tavad ruseTisTvis, radgan mobilizaciis dros frontis wina xazze aRmoCndebian adamianebi, romlebsac Sesabamisi kvalifikacia, momzadeba da gamocdileba ar gaaCniaT.
– vxedavT, rom CrdiloeT kavkasiaSi da ruseTis sxvadasxva mxareSi mitingebi imarTeba mobilizaciis sawinaaRmdegod, am mxriv procesebis ra ganviTarebas elodebiT?
– Cven vxedavT gamosvlebs quCaSi, xalxis mcire nawilis, magram mainc winaaRdegobas am kuTxiT, Tumca Sedegebi sxva rameze metyvelebs, adamianTa mobilizeba ZaldatanebiT Tu TavianTi nebiT mainc xerxdeba. Sedegebs frontis xazidan unda davelodoT. putinma Tavisi xalxi sikvdilisTvis gaimeta, sacdel obieqtad aqcia, rac uaxloes dReebSi gamoCndeba.
– mosaxleoba ruseTidan gamorbis da saxldeba sxvadasxva qveyanaSi, maT Soris saqarTveloSic, xom araa mosalodneli, rom ruseTma isini saqarTvelos sawinaaRmdegod gamoiyenos?
– sagulisxmoa is, rom Cven ar gvaqvs zusti informacia, ra kategoriis, daniSnulebis da misiis adamianebi Camodian Cvens qveyanaSi. Cveni qveynis TiToeul moqalaqes marTebs iyos fxizlad, raTa nebismieri saeWvo qmedebis Tu provocirebis dros ar aRmovCndeT maT sasargeblo TamaSSi. Sors var im azrisgan, rom aq Camosul ruseTis moqalaqeebs axali frontis gaCenis misia aqvT dakisrebuli, radgan putinis ruseTs dRes amis resursi ar gaaCnia, anu am formiT ar unda velodoT safrTxes. Tumca, grZelvadian perspeqtivaSi, bunebrivia, am raodenobis `oms gamoqceuli~ rusi moqalaqeebis Cvens qveyanaSi damkvidreba rom seriozul yuradRebas moiTxovs, es cxadia.
– meSvide Tvea ukrainaSi omi mimdinareobs, ra etapzea igi?
– rogorc viciT, ukraina warmatebiT ibrZvis frontis xazze da araerTi mniSvneloovani da strategiuli teritoria daibruna. axla iwyeba ruseTis danakargis da deficitis Sevseba, rac oms Tvisobrivad axal etapze gadaiyvans.
– ukrainuli armia warmatebul brZolebs awarmoebs, aTavisuflebs dapyrobil teritoriebs da amave dros ieriSi miaqvs xersonsa da yirimSi ganlagebul samxedro bazebze, es risi maniSnebelia?
– dapyrobili teritoriebis gaTavisufleba ruseTisaTvis mowmendil caze mexis gavardnis tolfasi iyo, rac metyvelebs ukrainis swor, efeqtur da kargad dagegmil TavdacviT Tu sapasuxo ieriSebze, Zlier samxedro sadazvervo samsaxurze, ukraineli xalxis erTianobis ganmtkicebaze, sakuTari qveynis suverenitetis dacvis da Tavisuflebis ideisTvis brZolis ualternativobaze.
– gverds ver avuvliT dawesebul sanqciebs, ramdenad eloda kremli am sanqciebs da aseve, ukrainis mxardaWeras dasavleTis mxridan?
– ruseTi, bunebrivia, eloda garkveul saerTaSoriso sanqciebs, radgan amis gamocdileba miRebuli aqvs jer kidev 2008 wels saqarTvelosTan omSi da 2014 wels ukrainaSi SeWris Semdeg, Tumca damdgarma Sedegma is ubralod, sul mcire, gaaoca, radgan aseTi erTiani, kritikuli da Sekruli dasavleTi mis winaaRmdeg aqamde ar enaxa.
– marTlia, dasavleTi exmareba ukrainas, magram germania da safrangeTi (didi britaneTisa da aSS-isgan gansxvavebiT) saTanadod ar exmarebian, ra ganapirobebs maT aseT qmedebas?
– dasavleTis wamyvanma saxelmwifoebma unda airCion sworxazovani politika – an exmarebian ukrainas borotebasTan brZolaSi da yvelafers akeTeben misi gamarjvebisTvis, an irCeven strategias, romelic aWianurebs am gamarjvebas.
– sxvaTa Soris, dasavluri da ukrainuli mediiT vrceldeba informacia, TiTqos dasavleli liderebi cdiloben zelenski ruseTTan dakavSirebiT kompromisebze daiTanxmon da putins saxe SeunarCunon, ras fiqrobT?
– putini borotebis imperiis warmomadgenelia, dampyrobeli, sxvisi teritoriebis mimtacebeli da patara saxelmwifoebis mCagvreli. dRes misi saxis SenarCunebaze saubari ubralod uaris Tqmaa iseT Rirebulebebze, rogoricaa sicocxle, adamiani, Tavisufleba, suvereniteti.
– amerikeli generali ben hojesi acxadebs, rom ruseTi ukrainaSi damarcxdeba, ramdenime weliwadSi daiSleba da am scenarisTvis saqarTvelo mzad unda iyos. ramdenad realuria aseTi damaimedebeli prognozi?
– generlis mosazreba, ra Tqma unda, imedis momcemia, Tumca am procesis dawyebisTvis jer ukrainam unda gaimarjvos am brZolaSi, rac pirdapirproporciulia saqarTvelos gamarjvebisa. Cveni qveynis erovnuli interesia okupirebuli teritoriebis dabruneba da saqarTvelos iurisdiqciis srul teritoriaze gavrceleba, rac Zalian mniSnelovania erTiani saxelmwifos formirebisTvis. aRniSnulidan gamomdinare, Tu es yvelaferi okupanti qveynis daSlis Sedegad moxdeba, Cveni brZolis veli ukrainis sakeTildReod unda gavaZlieroT.
– belarusis prezidenti soxumSi separatistebis liderebs Sexvda, ram gadaawyvetina lukaSenkos amgvari nabijis gadadgma da xom araa mosalodneli, belarusma e.w. afxazeTis damoukidebloba aRiaros?
– pirveli – es aris sruliad aradiplomatiuri, Cven mimarT aramegobruli nabiji, romelsac unda mohyves saqarTvelos xelisuflebisgan Sesabamisi reagireba. meore – lukaSenko kargad asrulebs putinis survilebs, Rrmad mwams, rom mas sxva gza ar hqonda. is putinis interesebis gamtarebeli da angariSvaldebulia. mesame – Tavisi mmarTvelobis stilis gamo is gariyulia civilizebuli samyarosgan, sxvas ras unda velodoT misgan? aRiarebas? es Secvlis Cveni qveynis ganwyobas belarusis mimarT. putinis politikis gamtarebel lukaSenkos belarusi iseve daimsxvreva, rogorc Tavad es boroti imperia.
– dabolos, rogor warmogidgeniaT putinis da postsabWoTa qveynebis momavali ruseT-ukrainis omis Semdeg?
– ruseT-ukrainis omma mkveTrad gvaCvena Semdegi, postsabWoTa qveynebis umravlesoba mxars ukrainis suverenitets uWers, nawili – ruseTis politikis gamtarebelia, zogi ki cdilobs Sualedi gamonaxos am dapirispirebaSi. aqedan gamomdinare, ra daskvnebis gakeTeba SegviZlia? ruseTis damarcxeba niSnavs postsabWoTa qveynebSi putinis marionetuli xelisuflebis avtomaturad damxobas da xalxis mier arCeuli demokratiuli xelisuflebis formirebas, xolo is qveynebi, romlebic Sualedur mdgomareobas amjobinebdnen, avtomaturad gamarjvebulis pozicias daiWeren, rac sabolood daasustebs ruseTis xelisuflebas. aqedan gamomdinare, imperialisturi ganzraxva da warsulad qceuli sabWoTa kavSiris msgavsi gaerTianebis aRdgenis mcdeloba isevea damarcxebisTvis ganwiruli, rogorc ukrainis teritoriaze ruseTis SeWra gamodga.
