ბექა დიასამიძე: ქვეყნის წინაშე არსებული პრობლემები არათუ შემცირდა, პირიქით, გაიზარდა…
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damoukideblobis da demokratiis gza, romelsac Cveni qveyana adgas, siZneleebiTa da dabrkolebebiTaa savse: ruseTis mcocavi okupacia, arasaxarbielo ekonomikuri mdgomareoba, opoziciis da mmarTveli partiis SeuTanxmebloba mniSvnelovan sakiTxebSi, opoziciuri speqtris faruli urTierTdapirispireba, sazogadoebis indiferentuloba. . . am mimarTebiT araerTi kiTxva Cndeba, romlebzec amjerad `strategia aRmaSeneblis~ aWaris organizaciis xelmZRvaneli beqa diasamiZe gvipasuxebs.
– qveyanaSi politikuri situacia garkveulwilad gamococxlda, amis erT-erTi magaliTia is, rom mmarTveli partiidan wasulebma sazogadoebrivi moZraoba `xalxis Zala~ Camoayalibes. axlaxan `qarTuli ocneba~ kidev xuTma wevrma datova da e. w. oTxeuls SeuerTda, es risi maniSnebelia?
– oTxeulis cxra wevramde gazrda imaze miuTiTebs, rom biZina ivaniSvili cdilobs TamaSis wesebi Secvalos ara marto qarTul politikaSi, aramed `qarTuli ocnebis~ SigniTac. erTi frTiani gamonaTqvamia: `yvela kvercxis erT kalaTaSi moqceva ar SeiZleba~. swored am principis dacvas cdilobs ivaniSvili. mis miznebs ramdenad uweria Sesruleba saerTaSoriso politikur asparezze Secvlili koniunqturis pirobebSi, dro gviCvenebs.
– mmarTveli partiis erT-erTi lideri irakli kobaxiZe acxadebs, rom maT mouwevT am axal ZalasTan (`axali Zala~) urTierToba da kompromisze wasvla, opozicia ki zemoaRniSnul Zalas xelisuflebis satelitad moixseniebs, ras fiqrobT?
– `qarTuli ocnebac~ da `xalxis Zalac~ ivaniSvilis proeqtia, es sadavoc ar aris da ar meguleba adamiani, romelic gulubryvilod fiqrobs, rom mmarTveli partiis axali frTa damoukidebeli politikuri jgufia, romelsac damoukidebeli politikuri dRis wesrigi aqvs. xundaZe-subaris koalicia Seiqmna imitom, rom irakli kobaxiZes parlamentSi damoukideblad sakiTxebis gadawyvetis saSualeba ivaniSvils moespo (`qarTuli ocneba~ aRar imyofeba umravlesobaSi). amiT kobaxiZes agrZnobines, vin aris partiaSi gadawyvetilebis mimRebi. meore amocana is aris, rom imaTi xmebi, vinc 5 ivlisis aqciebi moawyves arCevnebis dros, `qarTulma ocnebam~ ar dakargos. ubralod, am xalxs spikerebi Seucvales, etyoba alt-infom maTi an kremlis imedebi ar gaamarTla. egreT wodebuli amboxebulebis mesame amocanaa is, rom mwvaved daupirispirdnen Cven strategiul partniorebs, amerikelebs, manam, sanam ivaniSvili maT evaWreba. araformaluri mmarTveli xundaZis piriT gzavnils ugzavnis dasavleTs, rom mas SeuZlia sagareo politikis kursi Seucvalos qveyanas, Tu mis pirad interesebs momavalSi ar gaiTvaliswineben.
– mmarTveli partiis wevrebi acxadeben, rom maTi mmarTvelobiT mosaxleoba kmayofilia. `qarTuli ocneba~ xelisuflebaSi aTi welia, rogor afasebT maT saqmianobas?
– `qarTuli ocnebis~ arc saSinao, arc sagareo politika ar SeiZleba dadebiTad Sefasdes. faqtobrivad, bolo 10 weli Cvenma qveyanam dakarga. mkveTri garRveva romelime erTi mimarTulebiT ar gvqonia. qveynis winaSe arsebuli problemebi araTu Semcirda, piriqiT, gaizarda. dRes saqarTvelo mxolod inerciiT moZraobs. ekonomika guliT daavadebul pacients hgavs, romelsac xelovnur sunTqvebs utareben, rom ar mokvdes, magram operaciis Casatareblad mTavrobas kompetencia ar hyofnis. mosaxleoba amas sakuTar kanze grZnobs da rogor SeiZleba kmayofili iyos?
– xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi acxadeben, rom miuxedavad garkveuli problemebisa, qveyana viTardeba da opoziciis SeniSvnebi usamarTloa. ZiriTadad, ra pretenziebi aqvs maTTan Tqvens partias?
– premier-ministrisgan xSirad gvesmis, rom ekonomikis arnaxuli zrda gvaqvs da igi duRs. Tu ekonomika garkveulwilad, izrdeba, es mxolod mTavrobasTan daaxloebuli msxvili biznesis mflobelebisa da bankebisTvis. ubralo xalxi da mcire biznesi am zrdas ver grZnobs. ratom iciT? imitom, rom araswori ekonomikuri politika gvaqvs. ra politikasac vawarmoebT, morgebulia ara xalxze, aramed bazris monopolistebze, rac saboloo jamSi, ekonomikaSi konkurenciis ganviTarebas ar uwyobs xels. konkurencia principSi arc awyobT. Raribi da daCiavebuli xalxis marTva xom ufro advilia, xolo didi biznesidan partiaSi `atkatebi~, anu partiuli Semowirulobebi misdiT. kargad dalagebuli sqema aqvT. meore sakiTxi, romelic ekonomikur TemebTan dakavSirebiT metad aqtualuria Cvens qveyanaSi da mTavroba saTanado yuradRebas ar uTmobs, qveynis Tavdacvisunarianobis zrdaa. saqarTvelos samezobloSi mZime politikuri da samxedro viTarebaa Seqmnili. Cveni qveynis 20% okupirebulia. aseT situaciaSi saqarTvelo moumzadebeli xvdeba mZime gamowvevebs. imis nacvlad, rom Cveni samxedro SesaZleblobebi gavzardoT, Tundac amerikis SeerTebul StatebTan aqtiuri TanamSromlobiT, mmarTveli Zala xundaZis piriT amerikis elCze Tavdasxmebs aaqtiurebs.
– mmarTveli partiis yofilma wevrebma (xundaZe, subari, yavlaSvili) morigi gancxadeba gaakeTes, rom dasavleTs saqarTvelos omSi CaTreva surs, msgavsi gancxadebebi ra mizans isaxavs?
– faqtia, rom mmarTveli Zala rusuli interesebis gamtarebelia saqarTveloSi. narativi: `aba omi gindaT~?! – rusulia. aravis unda saqarTveloSi omi da maT Soris arc dasavleTs. piriqiT, saqarTveloSi mSvidoba saSualebas miscems evropis qveynebs kaspiis zRvis energomatareblebi SeiZinon tranzitiT Cvens qveyanaSi. amgvarad napovni iqneba rusuli navTobisa da gazis alternativa. magram, `qarTuli ocneba~ xelisuflebas ise eWideba, rom misi wevrebi mzad arian qveynis interesebi mihyidon ruseTs. sul es aris maTi qmedebebis mizezi.
– eqsperti gia xuxaSvili acxadebs, rom mmarTveli partia evrokavSiris 12 punqts ar Seasrulebs, am mxriv parlamentSi opoziciisa da mmarTveli partiis urTierToba ra stadiaSia?
– im 12 punqtidan parlamentSi oligarqizaciis kanoni ukve daainicires. am kanonproeqtis mixedviT yvelani oligarqebi varT – Tqvenc, mec, mamuka xazaraZec, badri jafariZec da a.S., magram aramc da aramc biZina ivaniSvili, romelic evrokavSiris rezoluciaSi iyo miTiTebuli. ra azri aqvs am blefSi Sesvlas Tu winaswar viciT, rom Sedegi evrorekomendaciebis Sesruleba ar iqneba. igive mdgomareoba gvaqvs sxva sakiTxebSic, radgan `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxridan rekomendaciebis Sesruleba maTTvis xelisuflebis dakargvas moaswavebs da rogorc ukve vTqvi, xelisuflebis dakargvas qveynis interesebis gayidva urCevniaT.
– aRniSnul 12 punqtSi aris sasamarTlos damoukideblobisa da politpatimrebis sakiTxic, am mxriv SeTanxmebis imedi Tu unda gvqondes?
– mmarTvel partias arcerT punqtSi daTmoba ar surs. mogexsenebaT, nebismier molaparakebas maSin aqvs azri, roca orive mxare mzad aris garkveul kompromisze wasasvlelad. amas saparlamento umravlesobis mxridan ver vxedavT da, bunebrivia, depolarizaciaze saubaric zedmetia. 12-punqtiani gegmidan mTavari ori sakiTxia: deoligarqizacia da depolarizacia, danarCenebi maTgan gamomdinareobs. ar gadawydeba mTavari sakiTxebi, ver miviRebT evrokavSiris wevrobis kandidatis statuss. amitom yvela Rone unda vixmaroT, rom vaiZuloT `qarTuli ocneba~, gadadgas qveynisTvis sasargeblo nabijebi.
– eqspertebi arc opozicias indoben da acxadeben, rom opozicia ganaxlebas saWiroebs. rogorc gavige, Tqveni partiis lideri am mimarTebiT uaxloes xanSi mniSvnelovan gegmas warmogvidgens opoziciis gaaqtiurebisa da gaerTianebisTvis, gviambeT amis Sesaxeb. . .
– gaerTianebas alternativa ar aqvs. Cveni politikuri Zala `Zala erTobaSias~ Seqmnis erT-erTi aqtiuri iniciatori iyo. mimdinareobs konsultaciebi, dasrulebis Semdeg aucileblad gavasajaroebT Sedegebs.
– amboben, rom SesaZloa `nacmoZraoba~ or nawilad gaiyos. rogor fiqrobT, usaakaSvilod `nacmoZraoba~ dakargavs mTavari opoziciuri Zalis statuss?
– Cveni gundisTvis axla mTavari sakiTxia yvela proevropuli politikuri Tu arapolitikuri Zalis gaerTianeba da mobilizacia. rac Seexeba `nacmoZraobis~ Sida sakiTxebs, es maTi partiuli gamowvevebia da imedi gvaqvs, rom mokle vadaSi aRmoifxvreba. axla mTavaria prorusuli umciresobisgan mitacebuli Zalauflebisa da Cveni samSoblos dabruneba proevropelebisTvis. Tumca samwuxaro faqtia, rom sajarod gaxda cnobili `nacmoZraobis~ Sida ganxeTqilebis Sesaxeb, axla Sida dapirispirebis dro namdvilad ar aris.
– sagareo sakiTxsac SevexoT – ar wydeba rusebis nakadi Cvens qveyanaSi, xom ar aris mosalodneli, rom kremlma isini saqarTvelos sawinaaRmdegod gamoiyenos?
– ar aris gamoricxuli. rogorc istoriam gvaCvena, msgavsi saSiSroeba arsebobs da ruseTs SeuZlia saqarTvelosTan mimarTebaSi es scenari gaiTamaSos. vSiSob, ekonomikuri sargebeli, romelic rusebis SemoSvebiT miiRo qveyanam, umniSvneloa im safrTxeebTan SedarebiT, rac SesaZloa dagvidges am gadawyvetilebis miRebis Sedegad.
– vxedavT, rom ukraina aTavisuflebs dapyrobil teritoriebs paralelurad, ruseTi birTvuli iaraRiT aSantaJebs msoflios, ra stadiaSia Tqveni azriT, ruseT-ukrainis omi?
– kargad unda gvesmodes, rom putins SeuZlia birTvuli iaraRis gamoyeneba. SeiZleba vcdebi, magram, vfiqrob, misi pirovnebis fsiqotipi amis maniSnebelia. igi am nabijze wamsvleli aris, magram ra unda da ra SeuZlia, ori sxvadasxva sakiTxia. rac ufro meti dro gava omis dawyebidan, putinis survili – daartyas mowinaaRmdeges taqtikuri birTvuli iaraRiT – gaizrdeba, magram amdeniTve Semcirdeba misi gamoyenebis SesaZlebloba, radgan gadawyvetilebis aRsrulebaSi ramdenime adamiani unda iyos CarTuli da yvela ar iqneba msgavsi nabijis gadadgmisTvis mzad. vfiqrob, birTvuli omis saSiSroebis gamo gaiwela droSi ukrainis omi (es erT-erTi faqtoria), winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi dasavleTs ukrainisTvis Tavidanve SeeZlo iseTi SeiaraRebis miwodeba, rac mokle vadaSi gaanadgurebda rusul armias, magram gazrdida birTvuli iaraRis gamoyenebis Sansebs.
– dabolos, udavoa, rom fanjara natosa da evrokavSirSi gasawevrianeblad axla garkveulwilad, Riaa. es Sansi rom qveyanam gamoiyenos, xelisuflebam ra unda gaakeTos da opozicias Tu gaaCnia evroatlantikur struqturebSi integraciis konkretuli gegma?
– xelisuflebas rom surdes natoSi an evrostruqturebSi saqarTvelos gawevrianeba, Sesabamis nabijebs gadadgamda, magram, rogorc vxedavT, piriqiT moqmedebs – akavebs opoziciurad ganwyobili mediamenejers, iRebs mosmenebis kanons da sxva, rac evrokavSirs gvaSorebs da ar gvaaxloebs. gamosavali erTia – yvela opoziciuri partiis gaerTianeba da xelisuflebis iZuleba, gadadgas Sesabamisi nabijebi. gaxsovT, am mTavrobas evrokavSiris wevrobaze gancxadebis miReba ar surda, magram sazogadoebis aqtiurobam da saerTo interesma aiZula am nabijis gadadgma. igive unda gavimeoroT am SemTxvevaSic. imisaTvis, rom civilizebuli msoflios nawili gavxdeT, saWiroa brZola da axla xelebis CamoSveba ar Rirs. 30 wlis win dawyebuli saqme bolomde unda miviyvanoT.
