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Tbilisis saxelmwifo universitetis damTavrebis Semdeg filologma sofia miqavam am ori aTeuli wlis win maswavleblad rom daiwyo muSaoba, pirvelive dReebSi darwmunda, es misi mowodeba iyo. axla ukve warmatebuli da gamocdili pedagogi Tavisi keTili Sromis nayofs imkis – igi gamorCeviT uyvarT ssip `CiraRdanis~ moswavleebs, romlebsac qarTul enasa da literaturas aswavlis. moswavleebis interess aZlierebs isic, rom maTi sayvareli maswavlebeli saintereso moTxrobebsa da leqsebs aqveynebs, romelTa mkiTxvelebi Tavad es moswavleebi da maTi Tanatolebi arian. exmaurebian kidec TavianTi komentarebiT. swored am faqtma gvikarnaxa, Cveni mkiTxvelisaTvis gagvecno sofia miqava.
– kargi xasiaTis adamiania, ase rom daaxasiaTeben pirovnebas, TiTqos yvelaferi cxadia, da mainc, raSi mdgomareobs kargi xasiaTis saidumlo, Tqven rogori xasiaTi gaqvT?
– adamiani kargi xasiaTis aris, an ar aris. kargi xasiaTi gulidan, gonebidan, sulidan unda modiodes. kargi xasiaTi Tavad unda gavsebdes, unda ggvrides siamovnebas. Tu adamianebTan gaqvs kargi urTierToba, SegiZlia maTTvis sixarulis miniWeba, es ukve kargi xasiaTis niSania. vgoneb, kargi xasiaTi maqvs. ar miyvars sakuTar Tavze saubari, magram xSirad uTqvamT: Zalian mWirdeba SenTan urTierToba, Seni rCevao. madloba RmerTs, ar var cudi xasiaTis.
– rogoria Tqveni cxovrebis umniSvnelovanesi movlenebi, gza, romelic aqamde gaiareT.
– gza, romelic aqamde gaviare, rTuli iyo, tragikuli, magram amaze ar visaubreb, ar minda vinmes sevda movgvaro. erTma umniSvnelovanesma dRem – 2004 wlis 8 aprilma sicocxle gamixalisa – Cemi Svili moevlina am qveyanas, yvela tkivili gadafara da dRemde Tavisi arsebobiT mavsebs.
– ratom airCieT profesiad pedagogoba da am arCevanis Sedegi rogoria axla?
– pedagogoba bavSvobidan Zalian mindoda, es Cemi pirveli maswavleblis, meri (keke) guluas damsaxurebaa. axla 80 wlisaa, Tavis saqmes pirnaTlad asrulebs. bavSvobaSi vbaZavdi mas, sarkis win davjdebodi da vatarebdi gakveTilebs. bednieri var, es profesia mavsebs, jer erTi imitom, rom mudmivad swavlis procesSi xar, unda iswavlo, yoveldRiurad ganviTarde, siaxleebi eZebo da am siaxleebs fexi auwyo. madlobeli var Cemi pirveli maswavleblis, stimuli momca, rom es profesia amerCia. am arCevanis SedegiT kmayofili var. diax, vaswavli da vswavlob. . .
– roca sakuTari sulis labirinTebSi mogzaurobT da iqidan gancdili qaRaldze gadmogaqvT, es, ZiriTadad, prozauli teqstebia ara? ise sainteresoa qaRaldze werT, rogorc wina Taobis mwerlebi, Tu pirdapir monitorze krebT?
– sakuTar TavTan saubari yovelTvis miyvarda, bavSvobidan. mere es naazrevi gadmodioda qaRaldze xan leqsad, xan moTxrobad. ase var axlac, roca Cemi Sinagani monologi qaRaldze gadmomaqvs. cxadia, Tanamedrove teqnologiebs vflob, magram weras qaRaldze vamjobineb. vfiqrob, rom visac kalami uWris, is ufro mZafrad da, ase vTqvaT, xatovnad gadmoscems qaRaldze Tavis saTqmels.
– werT. . . aqveynebT. . . mkiTxvelis da literaturuli kritikis Sefaseba ramdenad mniSvnelovania TqvenTvis? gamoxmaureba, romelmac dagafiqraT. . .
– kritikis gareSe literaturuli procesebis ganviTareba SeuZlebelia. visac ar ezareba, dRes yvela wers da es swored literaturuli kritikis arasasurveli donis bralia. SeiZleba iTqvas, literaturuli kritika CvenSi erTgvarad tendenciuria, xSirad aqeben daumsaxureblad, es ki mwerals aferxebs da xels uSlis ganviTarebaSi da ase gamodis, rom amaSi swored mexotbe aris damnaSave. madloba ufals, rom Cem irgvliv ar arian aseTi mexotbeni, piriqiT, makritikeben da es kargia, radgan uamisod verc me waval win. mkiTxvelebi xSirad mexmaurebian, Tumca iseTi gamoxmaureba ar mqonia, romelic Rrmad damafiqrebda, ise sasiamovno ki iqneboda, gulwrfelad vambob.
– ganaTlebis sferoSi siaxleebi inergeba, uaxlesi teqnologiuri miRwevebis fonze swavleba axali gamowvevebis winaSe ayenebs skolas, sazogadoebas. sadac Tqven muSaobT, rogor uwyobT am novaciebs fexs, piradad Tqven, Tqveni moswavleebi?
– icvleba dro, epoqa da icvleba Sexedulebebi. axla teqnologiebis epoqaa, am epoqas aqvs sakuTari gamowvevebi – cifruli gadatvirTva did Zalisxmevas moiTxovs da SeiZleba. Cveni skolac maqsimums akeTebs teqnologiur siaxleebTan adaptirebisTvis. Cveni mizania: swavlebis procesi sasiamovno da misaRebi iyos. Tu moswavles ar daaintereseb, verc aswavli, yoveli gakveTili siaxliT Tu ar iqneba gamorCeuli, moswavleebi dakargaven interess. Cemi moswavleebi bevrs kiTxuloben, ecnobian informaciebs, siaxleebs, yvela gakveTili axal samyaroSi mogzaurobas emsgavseba, mSobliuri literaturis Tematika da Tanamedrove teqnikuri SesaZleblobebi saswavlo process esTetikurad mimzidvels da mravalferovans xdis. . .
– pandemiis periodSi muSaobam ra dafaruli problemebi gamoavlina, ramac dagafiqraT swavlebis xarisxis gaumjobesebis aucileblobaze? rogorc praqtikos maswavlebels, ra migaCniaT saWirod, upiratesoba romel sagnebs unda mieniWos da ra unda daematos?
– pandemia iyo Cveni tragedia, ramac araerTi Zvirfasi sicocxle Seiwira, maT siaSi moxvdnen Cemi moswavleebisTvis mniSvnelovani adamianebi, aman gavlena iqonia maT fsiqikaze, Sesabamisad, maT akademiur moswrebazec, rogorc swavla-swavlebis procesze, aseve fsiqologiuradac. gamovlinda uinteresoba ara marto swavlisadmi, aramed gaucxoeba da gulgriloba erTmaneTis mimarTac. sami weli ar aris cota, onlainswavlebam damarwmuna, rom yovel gamowvevas momzadebuli unda SevxvdeT, fsiqologiur ganwyobasa da mdgradobas didi mniSvneloba aqvs. axla, roca cxovrebis Cveul ritms davubrundiT, ufro TvalnaTelia, rom umTavresia mozardis sulieri ganviTareba, rom kargi ganaTleba, kargi swavleba moswavlis sulier zrdas unda emsaxurebodes. vfiqrob, rom srulyofilad unda iswavlebodes is sagani, romeli sagnisadmic aqvs konkretul moswavles konkretuli interesi. skolas Tu warmatebiT ar daasrulebs, zogadi ganaTleba mainc unda hqondes damakmayofilebeli. dRes ganaTlebis saWiroebis pikia, amitom zogadad, yvelaferSi unda erkveodes moswavle. saswavlo process bevri ram SeiZleba daamato, Tundac sportuli aqtivobebi, inteleqtualuri TamaSebi. Tu maswavlebeli ar aris pasuxismgeblobis grZnobiT aRWurvili da ver SeZlebs moswavlis dainteresebas sagnis mimarT, yovelive fuWia, magram, arc is unda dagvaviwydes, maswavlebeli RmerTi ar aris, Tu moswavle ar moindomebs da ar ahyveba, verafers gaxdeba.
– moswavle vizualurad axla ise gamoiyureba, rogorc Tavad mas swadia, xSirad gamomwvevadac. Tavisuflebis aseTi gageba ki, SeiZleba iTqvas, sazianoa, `oqros Sualedi~ saZiebelia, ara? da rogor?
– Cacma zogadad kulturaa, amitom vinaidan skola kulturul-saganmanaTleblo dawesebulebaa, moswavle CacmulobiT ar unda hgavdes romeliRac musikaluri an sportuli jgufis wevrs, unda ecvas akademiurad, magram gadaWarbeba da zedmetad CarCoebSi moqceva gamoiwvevs Zalian did ukuSedegs. gvinda ar gvinda, bevri ram unda davTmoT, magram swored aqaa saWiro `oqros Sualedi~, moswavle unda davarwmunoT, rom is araa panki da ar SeiZleba misebr vulgarulad Cacma. kulturuli yofaqcevis wesebis dacva rom aucilebelia, unda SevTanxmdeT mSoblebTan erTad da gamovimuSaoT Cacmis kultura. ra Tqma unda, es yoveldRiur yuradRebas moiTxovs.
– vin migaCniaT warmatebul maswavleblad? Tqven rom ganaTlebis ministri iyoT, vis daajildoebdiT upirvelesad?
– warmatebul maswavleblad mimaCnia Cemi pirveli maswavlebeli meri (keke) gulua, romelmac fulad jildoze uari ganacxada, Caabara gamocdebi da 80 wlis asakSi gamoiyureba mxned, SemarTebiT da arcerT axalgazrda kolegas arafriT Camouvardeba. ganaTlebis ministri rom viyo, ai, aseT pedagogebs davajildoebdi.
– yoveli kargi wignis wakiTxvis Semdeg vxdebiT ukeTesi, es aqsiomad qceuli azri romel bolo dros daweril wignebze SeiZleba ganvavrcoT? romeli Tanamedrove avtorebis wakiTxvas urCevdiT axalgazrdebs?
– es aqsiomaa namdvilad, ise bevri nakiTxi adamiani vici, romelmac veraferi iswavla da ori imdenic rom waikiTxos, verafers iswavlis. kultura Sinaganad gaqvs, an ar gaqvs. imdeni adamiani vici Cems garSemo, visac wigni xelSi ar auRia, magram, bunebiT brZenia, cxovrebaa maTi wigni. Tumca es imas ar niSnavs, rom ar unda waikiTxon, piriqiT, Zalian, Zalian bevri ikiTxon da Seignon, Seimecnon. vis vurCevdi? Zvelebidan vurCevdi gamsaxurdias, qarCxaZes da axlebidan – aka morCilaZes da guram doCanaSvils.
– rom gTxovoT, jadosnuri sityva moixmeT-meTqi, ra sityva iqneba es?
– jadosnuri sityva ara, sityvebi: miyvarxar, mapatie, meimedebi! es sami sityva CemTvis aris sicocxle, bedniereba da imedi.
– dabolos, ras ityodiT, riT daasrulebdiT am intervius?
– am intervius ase davasrulebdi: gviyvardes erTmaneTi uangarod, upirobod, gavitanoT erTmaneTi da am xanmokle wuTisofelSi gavaxaroT erTmaneTi. vacaloT erTmaneTs cxovreba, ise, rogorc gvsurs.
