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poeti bela qeburia aramarto SemoqmedebiT gamoirCeva. igi niWier norC Semoqmedebs gzas ukvalavs namdvili poeziisken. arc sakuTar talants Ralatobs da, ramdenadac viciT, romanzec muSaobs
vfiqrobT, aseTi SemoqmedebiTi aRmafrena talantTan erTad, sazogadoebrivi moRvaweobis im gzamac ganapiroba, romelic poetma qalma dRemde gamoiara. baTumis SoTa rusTavelis saxelobis saxelmwifo pedagogiuri institutis warCinebiT damTavrebis Semdeg aspiranturis staJireba gaiara Tbilisis ivane javaxiSvilis saxelobis saxelmwifo universitetSi, jer XIX, xolo Semdeg XX saukunis qarTuli literaturis istoriis kaTedrebze muSaobda, aseve saqarTvelos radios axalgazrdul gadacemaTa redaqciaSi – `siWabuke~ Jurnalistad; 1982 wlidan baTumis SoTa rusTavelis saxelobis saxelmwifo universitetSi – leqtorad, paralelurad, amave universitetis axalgazrda mweralTa wris, xolo Semdeg literaturuli salonis xelmZRvanelad cnobil Jurnalist da mweral muxran kobalaZesTan erTad. qarTveli mwerlebis – fridon xalvaSisa da zurab gorgilaZis saxelobis norC SemoqmedTa literaturul konkurs `zRvauris~ damfuZnebelia da amave saxelobis literaturuli Jurnalis mTavari redaqtori. misi leqsebi Sesulia qarTuli poeziis, qarTuli sabavSvo poeziis, somxur da inglisur enebze gamosuli Tanamedrove qarTuli poeziis anTologiebSi, es ukanaskneli orjer, 2007 da 2017 wlebSi erevanSi gamoica. bela qeburias leqsebi Targmnilia inglisur, frangul, italiur, germanul, somxur, rusul, ukrainul, Turqul, azerbaijanul, espanur da berZnul enebze. Tavadac Targmna uiliam vordsvortis, aJdar olis, gagik davTianis, veisel Colaqis, leila iSiqis, aTaol behramoRlusa da volodimir luCukis leqsebi. wers scenarebs, atarebs masterklasebs, SemoqmedebiT saRamoebs rogorc baTumSi, ise saqarTvelos sxvadasxva kuTxeSi, aseve ucxoeTSi. qalbaton belas leqsebze 20-ze meti simRera Seiqmna. misi leqsebi aamReres kompozitorebma manana xoravam (sagundo), zviad bolqvaZem, mindia xiTariSvilma, manana gabaiZem da daviT SvangiraZem (himni quTaiss). 12 simRera ukrainul, rusul da inglisur enebze Seqmna ukrainuli rok-jguf `ko-ngos~ xelmZRvanelma da kompozitorma sergei golubevma, xolo espaneTSi mcxovrebma qarTvelma kompozitorma da momReralma maia siWinavam – 6 simRera. aris `rCeuli Semoqmedis~ (aWaris mweralTa organizaciisgan) wodebis mflobeli, xolo aWaris avtonomiuri respublikis ganaTlebis, kulturisa da sportis saministrosgan – madlobis sigeli daimsaxura. 8 literaturuli premiis laureatia. sxvadasxva RonisZiebaSi aqtiuri monawileobisa da momaval TaobaTa SemoqmedebiTi kuTxiT ganviTarebaSi Setanili wvlilisaTvis mieniWa `baTumis damsaxurebuli moRvawis~ wodeba. amJamad patriarqis Coxosnebis kulturis samsaxurSia moadgilis poziciaze. qalbatoni bela saerTaSoriso literaturuli festivalis `ze-karTan~ (damfuZnebeli da xelmZRvaneli – v. beriZe) sapatio yabalaxisa da `maWaxlobis~ sapatio qamris mflobelia, aris sxvadasxva saqvelmoqmedo fondis wevri, 8 wignis avtori, 11 wignis Tanaavtori, 30-mde wignis redaqtor-Semdgeneli. igi dRes Cveni stumaria.
– qalbatono bela, rogor Semovida aWara Tqvens SemoqmedebaSi?
– Cemi winaprebi me-20 saukunis dasawyisidan baTumSi cxovrobdnen. aWara CemTvis iseTive axlobeli iyo, rogorc mSobliuri Cxorowyu, sadac davibade. erTi periodi TbilisSic vcxovrobdi da vmuSaobdi. aqedan gamomdinare, Cemi cxovreba etapebadaa dayofili, magram rom mkiTxon, sad vicxovrebdi, sad ufro realizebulad vgrZnob Tavs, ra Tqma unda, es aWaraa, Cemi usayvarlesi baTum-qalaqi. pataraobidanve guliT momixaroda baTumSi da aseve mimeCqareboda Cems mSobliur kuTxeSi. bedma am kuTxes didi siyvaruliTac damakavSira da aqedan gamomdinare, sulier swrafvasa da siyvarulTan erTad Semovida fizikuri siyvarulic, romelic adamianTa cxovrebas alamazebs, sainteresos xdis. cnobierad Tavs am kuTxis Sviladac miviCnev, magram amave dros aqaurebis rZalic var da es CemTvis didi pativi da pasuxismgeblobaa, rasac pirnaTlad vemsaxurebi.
– ra motiviT airCieT aqauri Wabuki gulissworad?
– aranairi motivi. siyvaruli movida, morCa da gaTavda! Tu arsebobs erTi naxviT Seyvareba, es piradad gamovcade, zustad ase iyo. cnobili gamoTqmis perifrazireba rom gamoviyenoT: Sevxvdi Tu ara, mivxvdi, rom is is iyo da isic mixvda, rom ipova, visac eZebda.
– iSviaTia aWaris zRispireTsa da mTaSi SemoqmedebiTi xasiaTis RonisZieba, romlebSic aqtiurad ar monawileobdeT. amjerad aWaris mTianeTSi, istoriul Wvanis xeobaSi, kolegebTan erTad `momavlis sofeli~ moinaxuleT. rogori STabeWdilebiT tovebT am garemos?
– gulwrfeli minda viyo. ojaxuri pirobebis gamo wamosvla-darCenis fiqri mqonda. . . magram interesma mZlia. miT umetes, es exeba am kuTxis Svilis mier qristianuli samlocvelos mSeneblobas, male misi sazeimo kurTxevac moxdeba. vaiTu, mere ar momcemoda wamosvlis SesaZlebloba. CemTvis mniSvnelovani iyo es movlena, radgan cnobilia, ra kvali da memkvidreobac datoves osmalo momxdurebma am kuTxeSi. Cven religiaTa da interesTa gamZafrebul gzajvaredinze vcxovrobT. . . TiToeuli nabiji, guliT gakeTebuli saqme mniSvnelovan gavlenas axdens Cveni sazogadoebis cnobierebaze. imis miuxedavad, rom mwerlobasa da saerTod, xelovan adamianebze araerTxel miitanes ieriSi, ecadnen maT diskreditacias. mwerlebs, poetebs, xelovnebis sxvadasxva dargis moRvaweebs imedis TvaliT Sehyurebs xalxi, Cvens sityvas gulisyuriT ismenen, daskvnebsac umalve akeTeben. amanac ganapiroba mwerlebis aq stumroba. Tanac msurda, sakuTari TvaliT menaxa, rogori taZari aSenda. is, rac eris sulieri duRabis misias asrulebs – CemTvis upirvelesia. . . ar vici, am axalgazrda kacze – levan (andria) mJavanaZeze aseTi ra madli gadmovida, uflis xmas rom mihyva da am maRal mTebSi warmoudgeneli da umSvenieresi ram gaakeTa. bednierebisa da emociisgan sunTqva mekvris, radgan istoriuli Wvanis xeobaSi marTlmadidebluri samlocvelos zaris axmianeba winaprebs saflavebSi SeaTrTolebs da maTi sulebi zecaSi gaixareben. gulwrfelad giTxraT, aseT grandiozuls namdvilad ar velodiT. gzad momavalni vfiqrobdiT, rom dagvxvdeboda samlocvelo, iseTi, rogoric dRes mravlad Sendeba. . . naxulma yvela molodins gadaaWarba. rogorc ki Tvali Sevavle yvelafers – axali gzis monakveTidan meurneobiT, venaxiT, skebiT, ezoTi, saxlebiT, kldeSi gamokveTili qvabuliT, romelic darbazad da samzadad uqcevia mflobels, gaoceba ver davfareT. sxvanairi, bednierebis gancdis grZnoba dagveufla. aRtacebam dagvamunja. jer rad Rirs ferdobze Cayrili aTas Zirze meti vazi, siyvaruliTa da rudunebiT movlili, romlis TiToeul ZirTan damrec ferdobze gakeTebul safexurebs mihyavxar! ra xelma, ra gulma, ra siyvarulma akeTa es yvelaferi. maxsendeba zurab gorgilaZis `sulxan-saba~, sulSi acril vazze rom saubrobs. . . axla vigrZeni – risi Tqma surda. uyureb am yvelafers da gaxsendeba didi konstantine gamsaxurdias `didostatis marjvena~, sadac arsakiZe ambobs: `Sromaa udidesi siqvele amqveynad da arc araferi amSvenebs ise vaJkacs, rogorc SromaSi gamoCenili simamace~, – ai, am simamacesTan, am gmirobasTan gvaqvs Cven dRes saqme. . . radgan, samwuxarod, mravlad arian adamianebi, romlebmac mTeli qoneba qars gaatanes, macdur survilebs mindobilT xuxulasaviT daengraT naSenebi `imperiebi~, radgan maTi dro, saxsrebi, energia, niWi da talanti mamuls, Svilebis momavals da RvTisTvis saTno saqmeebs ar moaxmares. es axalgazrda kaci ki nimuSia, orientiria yvela CvenganisTvis, Tu rogor unda giyvardes, ixarjebode da axarebde yvelas, visac mamulisTvis guli uZgers. bolos, roca yvelaferi gonebaSi gadavaanalize, umal vifiqre, rom saswaulebriv qmedebasTan gvaqvs Sexeba, yvelaferSi RvTis Zala, misi Zlieri xelia Careuli. mTeli dRea, vakvirdebi baton andrias, romelic ar gvcildeba da mSvidi, siyvaruliT da sixaruliT, bavSvurad gafarToebuli TvalebiT cdilobs, yvela detali konkretulad agvixsnas, yvelaferi gvaCvenos, Cvens Sefasebasac yuradRebiT usmens. Tanac saocrad mokrZalebuli da Tavmdabalia. uyureb da xedav, igi gakeTebuliT ki ar amayobs, aramed xarobs. dRes – gaciebul, gulgril, Surisa da boRmis zeobis epoqaSi – es namdvili saswaulia. am axalgazrdis saubrebidan, qcevidan vxvdebiT, iwyeba axali epoqa. sworad gamigeT, risi Tqmac msurs. . . mTavrdeba uecrad gamdidrebul im adamianTa epoqa, romlebic mopovebul simdidres mxolod piradi interesebisa da keTildReobisTvis iyeneben. modis Taoba, batoni levanisa da misnairebis saxiT, romlebic mopovebul simdidres samSoblos, mis ganviTarebas, soflad mcxovreb adamianTa sikeTes moaxmaren da qveynis Senebis balavarSi Cadeben. erTi ramec minda aRvniSno, is keTilmowyobili gzebi, saniaRvre arxebiT, WvanaSi amosvlamde rac vnaxeT, saucxooa. madloba municipalitets, yvela im xelmZRvanel Tu rigiT mSromels, vinc zrunavs, rom cxovrebis normaluri pirobebi yvelgan iyos xelmisawvdomi. yvelaferma aman Tavidanve pozitiurad gangvawyo. mokled vityvi, baTumidan cota sxvanairi SegrZnebiT movdiodi, vfiqrobdi, yvelaferi tradiciuli damxvdeboda, adgilic, maspinZelic, maranic ki. batonma levanma SeZlo axali mimarTuleba mieca tradiciuli Senebis procesisTvis, radgan rac gaakeTa, Tanamedrove WrilSi gaakeTa da amiT gza gaukvala axlebur azrovnebas. me aRfrTovanebuli var, sixaruls ver vfarav. ezo, saxli, mimosaxedi, ojaxi, meuRle, Svilebi, miznebi, ideebi, azrebi, sufra, kultura. . . Cven, mwerlebi, rogorc yovelTvis, vxmaurobdiT, is ki ra mokrZalebulad, dumiliT da wynarad gvismenda. ufalma dalocos, qveyanas aseTi Svilebi ar mohklebodes. dae, misi es wamowyeba sxvebisTvis magaliTi iyos!
– am xanebSi aWaris mTianeTSi ramdenime mniSvnelovani RonisZieba gaimarTa. sazogadoeba aq gxedavT. ras mivaweroT: gulis karnaxs Tu aqaurobisadmi mokrZalebul siyvaruls?
– mTeli Cemi cxovreba siyvarulia. miyvars adamiani, samyaro, miyvars yvelaferi kargi, rac am samyaroSia. miyvars ase dalocva: – ufalo, rogorc me maxarebs sxvaTa sikeTe da bedniereba, ise axare yvela erTmaneTisa Tu Cemi bednierebiT. meti ar minda. gulwrfelad vambob, studentobidan moyolebuli pativs vcem mTian aWaras. aqedan Tanakurseli megobrebi myavs da es urTierTobebi dResac grZeldeba. rezo SaraSiZe, WaRaliZeebi, xulodan Temur arTmelaZe, nodar SavaZe, oTar gelaZe, sergo ximSiaSvili, iremaZeebi. . . mapation, Tu vinme gamomrCa. yvelani saintereso biografiiT modian, qveynis, kuTxis samsaxurSi arian. maTi meoxebiT gavicani aWaris mTianeTi. iciT, ra mxiblavs mTielebSi? is, rac qalaqs ekargeba – mTas, mTiels, sofels Warbad SemorCa: siyvaruli, maspinZlobis sxvanairi, Zveleburi madli. SemorCaT is, rom yvelafers angariSiT ar uyureben. qalaqs es ukve aRar aqvs, aq ki yvelaferi aReb-micemobaze jer ar gadasula. saerTaSoriso literaturulma festivalma `ze-karTan~, romelsac vaxtang beriZe kurirebs, gansakuTrebuli SesaZlebloba mogvca aWaris mTianeTs, mis RirsSesaniSnaobebs, materialur Tu kulturul Zeglebs, aq mcxovreb adamianebs Zirfesvianad gavcnobodiT. kolegebma erTad sofel-sofel, kardakar CamoviareT es kuTxe. goderZis alpur baRSic gaxldiT. istoria, eTnografia, kultura, iumori. . . adamianebi, romlebic aq cxovroben – gxiblaven, momavlis imeds gisaxaven, gadarCenis kods girTaven da mere es gadadis leqsSi, moTxrobaSi, publicistur werilebSi. . . da roca acnobiereb, rom es yvelaferi Senia. . . Seni qveyanaa, Seni xalxia – `gulRia da karRia~, bednierebis gancda ar agvianebs.
– rogor iTavisebT aq davanebul qarTuls?
– rogor?.. es sulxan-sabas qarTulia. karga xans vfiqrobdi, rom zurab gorgilaZe aWarul dialeqtze werda da rac ufro vkiTxulobdi mis leqsebs, metad vuRrmavdebodi, vxvdebodi, rom igi Tavankara, `didqarTuli-aWaruliT~ werda, rogorc batonma fridon xalvaSma brZana batoni zurabisadmi miZRvnil leqsSi. zurabis ena sulxan-sabas qarTulia! es yvelaferi am kuTxem xeluxlebel, ucvlel saganZurad Semoinaxa. 300 wels osmalTa imperiis batonobaSi tyved myofma enam konservacia ganicada, bevri isesxa, magram araferi dakarga.
– zvareSi naxulis SaviT TeTrze gadatanas Tu apirebT?
– muza ucnauri ramaa. trialebs, trialebs. . . ggonia dagiviwya, gageqca, miiZina. . . arada, yivCaRiviT moulodnelad dagesxmeba Tavs, xandaxan Zilisa da sizmrebis saufloSic SemogakiTxavs, tvins ar asvenebs, yvelaze mouclel dros icis stumroba, ar daeZebs – gcalia, daRlili xar, geZineba. . . uceb aamoZravebs poetur sivrces, romlidanac patara leqsi, qariSxali an qarbuqi amovardeba. dRes imdenad didi emocia miviRe, rom mjera – mestumreba!
– damokidebuleba aq dabrunebul winaparTa mrwamsisadmi?
– pirdapir da calsaxad vityvi: yovelma adamianma Tavad unda gadawyvitos misi ufalTan damokidebulebis sakiTxi. TiToeul Cvengans Cven mier arCeuli gza rwmenisa WeSmaritad miaCnia. me mrwamsiT marTlmadidebeli var. mTeli arsebiT vgrZnob da vTvli, rom qristianoba swori gzaa. sxvaTa arCevanis gansjisgan Tavs Sevikaveb, Tumca erTi ramis aRniSvna namdvilad minda – qarTvelebma unda vicodeT, vin varT da saidan movdivarT, warsulisken Tundac imitom unda mivixedoT, rom Cvens fesvebs CavwvdeT. gavacnobieroT, dRemde ram mogviyvana da gadagvarCina. istoriis gakveTilebic gaviTvaliswinoT, mere yuri mivugdoT Cveni kuTxis saTayvano Svilebis Semoqmedebasa da gulis RaRads, sabolood ki yvelafers TiToeulma Cvenganma sakuTari Wkua, guli da gonebac Seusabamos da pasuxs aucileblad mivagnebT. dRevandeli dRec amis naTeli dadastureba gaxlavT.
