მარინა ზვიადაძე – პარიზის ბასტილიის თეატრის სოლისტების გუნდის წევრი
20 welia, rac marina zviadaZe safrangeTSi, parizSi cxovrobs. samSoblodan wasvla advili ar iyo, aq tovebda ara marto ojaxs, samSoblos, aramed Semdgari, popularuli dramatuli sopranos saxelsac, romlis misaRwevadac araerTi weli, bevri Sroma da Zalisxmeva dasWirda. baTumelebs axsovT misi lamazi tembris xma, Sesrulebis ostatobac da artistuli Tvisebebic. wavida im periodSi, roca baTumis operis Teatri gauqmda, swored am Teatris speqtaklebis mTavar partiebs (eTeri `abesalom da eTeridan~, lela `leladan~, aida `aidadan~, dezdemona `otelodan~) asrulebda igi wlebis ganmavlobaSi.
scenidan varskvlaviviT anaTebda, Tumca realur cxovrebaSi sulac ver grZnobda Tavs varskvlavad, sayofacxovrebo problemebi ise moeZala, rom erT dResac gadawyvita, iq wasuliyo, sadac Tavis profesiaSi realizebas SeZlebda. misi megobari nona javaxaZe, romelic baTumis operis Teatridan karga xania wasuliyo da karierac aewyo parizSi, eZaxda, daxmarebas hpirdeboda, rom maradiul qalaqSi sakuTari adgili epova.
Tavidan Zalianac gauWirda, araerTi sirTule gadaitana, gauZlo pirveli wlebis guliswamReb martoobasac, enis, cxovrebis, samuSaos problemebsac da dRes igi safrangeTis sruluflebiani moqalaqe, parizis bastiliis operis Teatris gundis momRerali da debiutanti vokalistebis warmatebuli maswavlebelia. swored amitom gauCnda baTumis saopero studiis xelmZRvanel marina jaxutaSvils baTumSi misi masterklasebis Casatareblad mowveva. marTlac, es Canafiqri warmatebiT ganxorcielda da rogorc baTumis saopero studiis axalgazrda momRerlebma Tqves, marinas swavlebam bevri ram SesZinaT vokalis teqnikis TvalsazrisiT. miuxedavad didi gamocdilebisa da cxovrebis skolis umetesi nawilis gavlisa, kvlav iseTive gulwrfeli, laRi da xalasi, Sinaganad marTalia, rogoric wasvlamde iyo. miuxedavad imisa, rom TbilisSi daibada da gaizarda, baTumi mis qalaqad iqca, aqaurebic iseve aRiqvamdnen, rogorc Tanaqalaqels. Tavs baTumelad rom ar grZnobdes, saqarTveloSi yoveli Camosvlisas baTums ar moakiTxavda, yvela nacnob megobars ar miakiTxavda da moesiyvaruleboda. vfiqrob, mkiTxvelisTvis saintereso iqneba masTan Cveni saubari.
– ra gansxvavebaa im marinas, romelmac pirvelad daadga fexi safrangeTis miwas da imas Soris, romelic axla Camovida baTumSi?
– 25 weli da amdenive kilo (icinis) . . . ZiriTadad, esaa. aseve, ra Tqma unda – cxovrebiseuli gamocdileba. aravin icis winaswar, rogor daimkvidrebs adgils.
– es iyo erTgvari gamocda, romelic Sen Caabare, rogor?
– erT-erT koncertze safrangeTis saelCoSi saqarTveloSi gavicani adamianebi, vinc daxelovnebis mizniT, ostatobis asamaRleblad parizis alfred koktos saxelobis konservatoriaSi kursis gavla SemomTavazes. es umaRlesi saswavlebeli sakmaod prestiJulia, aq bevri cnobili momRerali gaizarda. amas garda, parizSi damkvidreba gamiadvila Cemi megobris, momReral nona javaxiZis daxmarebam. igi Cemze bevrad adre wavida safrangeTSi. Zalian mainteresebda franguli repertuari. davamTavre sruli kursi da diplomSi weria: koncertisti, pirveli premia Jiuris erTsulovani gadawyvetilebiT da molocviT. gamocda rom Cavabare, pirveli premia momakuTvnes erTxmad. safrangeTSi diploms aqvs, ase vTqvaT, sxvadasxva xarisxi – pirveli, meore, mesame, rasac Sesabamisi premiis miniWebiT gamoxataven.
– skola, romelic gaiare saqarTveloSi, ramdenad Rirebuli aRmoCnda?
– am skoliT daviwye simRera da ukve momRerali viyavi, roca wavedi sazRvargareT. yvelaferi, rac aq SeviZine, iyo baza, romelic me Semdeg ganvaviTare. sxvadasxva pedagogTan momiwia muSaoba. mainteresebda maTi azri, sxvadasxva skola, mimdinareoba vokalur pedagogikaSi. germaniaSic gavemgzavre, iquri skola rom gamecno, damexvewa teqnika, raRac damematebina. ase nel-nela Camomiyalibda Cemi stili. yvela momRerals Tavisi stili aqvs. ori erTnairi momRerali ar arseb-obs.
– ra iyo SenTvis axali frangul skolaSi?
– vokaluri simReris teqnikuri detalebi, frangebs ar uyvarT zewola xmaze. Zalian xmamaRali simRera. ufro koncentrirebuli bgeriT simRera da msubuqi xmebi uyvarT. mZime farTo xmebs didad ar iwoneben. aseTia maTi esTetika simReraSi, ai, germanelebs ki Zlieri xmebi uyvarT.
– SenTvis ufro organuli romeli skolaa, romels ufro moerge? Tumca garemoeba moiTxovda, rom – franguls.
– ki da amitom CemTvis ufro Sualeduri movZebne, romelic saSualebas momcemda, memRera savse xmiT da amave dros xmisTvis garkveuli simsubuqe da silaRe mimeca. am ori skolis Sezavebam momca amis saSualeba. ar iyo es advili, magram Cems xmas ver Sevcvlidi. amitom movarge es teqnika Cems xmas.
– swored Seni ucxouri gamocdileba iyo im masterklasebis amosavali wertili da ra codnac gadaeci baTumel vokalistebs, maTTvis iyo axali, miuxedavad imisa, rom baza kargi aqvT.
– baza udavod kargi aqvT. Ddiax, imitomac viyavi mowveuli, rom raRac kidev Semematebina.maT asakSi mec Zalian mowadinebuli viyavi, rom raRac axali momesmina, masterklasebzec davdiodi, sxvis gakveTilebsac veswrebodi, mainteresebda, vin rogor mReroda, ra teqnika hqonda, ras akeTebda ama Tu im bgeraze. momRerlis profesia urTulesia, aq ar SeiZleba raRacaze gaCerde, sul ZiebaSi unda iyo. Tu gaCerdi, SesaZloa, ukan-ukan waxvide.
– ra qmnis momRerals momRerlad?
– jer unda hqondes pirveladi masala anu xma, rac bunebam misca, mere swori teqnika, rac pedagogma SesZina, Zalian bevri unda iSromos da mTeli karieris ganmavlobaSi ar Sewyvitos ganviTareba, daxvewa.
– rogor SeeCvie safrangeTs, Tavs grZnob parizelad?
– Tavidan rTuli iyo – ena unda iswavlo, sazogadoebas Seerwya, iqauri wesi unda miiRo, iqauri mentaliteti gaiTaviso. rasakvirvelia, gamiWirda, magram rac ufro meti dro gadioda, miT ufro komfortulad vgrZnobdi Tavs. saerTod, Zalian advilad SemiZlia adaptacia. depresiaSi ar Cavvardnilvar. vicodi, rom unda meSroma, unda gamekeTebina bevri ram da aman bolos gamoiRo Sedegi.
– gqonia Tu ara SemTxveva, rom safrangeTSi saqarTvelosTvis raRac kargi gagekeTebina?
– ruseTis es omi ukrainasTan, CemTvis saqarTvelos omicaa, radgan saqarTvelosac igive problemebi aqvs, rac ukrainas. Cven es gamoviareT 14 wliT adre, uares dReSi viyaviT, radgan ukrainas, sabednierod, mTeli msoflio exmareba. ubeduri saqarTvelo 2008 wels marto iyo am urCxulis pirispir. amitom imis proecirebas, rac axla xdeba ukrainaSi, saqarTveloze vakeTeb. rac SemeZlo, vcdilobdi, Cemi wvlili Semetana mis mxardaWeraSi. bastiliis TeatrSi, sadac vmuSaob, Cemi da Cemi rusi kolegis iniciativiT, SevkribeT visac ra SegveZlo da erTi didi datvirTuli manqana Cveni Teatris saxeliT gaemarTa ukrainis lvovis TeatrSi. mere isini albaT gagzavnidnen frontze. garda amisa, araerTi koncerti Catarda safrangeTSi ukrainis mxardasaWerad da sadac ki mimiwvies, yvelgan didi siamovnebiT miviRe monawileoba da Sekrebili Tanxa gadaveciT Sesabamis humanitarul organizaciebs.
– momiyevi Teatrze, sadac muSaob. bastiliis Teatrze.
– istorias Tu gadavxedavT, saerTod, saopero Teatris daarseba ludoviko me-14-is iniciativa iyo. daiwyo karis TeatriT, romlis speqtaklebSi TviTonac monawileobda. Zalian uyvarda sabaleto scenebSi cekva. bastiliis Teatri aSenda me-20 saukunis 70-ian wlebSi, radgan parizis erTaderTi Teatri pale garnie mayurebels ver itevda. undodaT, gaefarToebinaT repertuaric, meti speqtakli daedgaT. prezidentis iniciativiT moxda es. mokled, parizis nacionaluri opera dResdReobiT or saopero saxls Seicavs. esaa pale garniesa da bastiliis Teatrebi. repertuari isea ganawilebuli, rom orive TeatrSi paralelurad midis warmodgenebi. baleti da iseTi operebi, sadac ar aris saWiro Zalian didi dekoraciebi, anu ufro patara operebi, pale garnieSi idgmeba, xolo ufro masStaburi, romlebsac sWirdeba didi sivrce, didi gundi, meti solisti, idgmeba bastiliis TeatrSi, radgan ufro didia, 2500 mayurebeli eteva. repertuari aris Zalian mravalferovani, barokos epoqis operebidan, anu me-17-18 saukuneebidan dawyebuli TanamedroveTi damTavrebuli
– Tu SeiZleba iTqvas, rom parizi aris saopero musikis avangardSi, romlis Sesabamisi operebic idgmeba?
– iSviaTad, magaliTad, frangi kompozitoris italiuri gvariT mantovanis opera ana axmatovaze. Zalian Tanamedrove musikaa, modernistuli, absoluturad atonaluri musikiT, gansxvavebuli iyo da amdenad saintereso. anu eqsperimenti iyo esec CemTvis. mainc ufro me-19 da meoce saukunis dasawyisis klasikuri nawarmoebebi idgmeba, aseve germanuli operebi, magaliTad, alban bergis `voceki~. pirveli msoflio omis amsaxveli mZime, realisturi siuJetia, WuWyiT da mkvlelobebiT, magram am speqtaklis reJisura iseTi saintereso iyo, rom Zalian bevri mayurebeli moizida. SemiZlia vTqva, rom parizis Teatri cdilobs, misi repertuariT yvelanairi Janris opera warmoudginos mayurebels.
– mayurebeli ufro romeli Janris operas etaneba – klasikurs Tu Tanamedroves?
– gaaCnia dadgmas, reJisors, klasikuri opera avangardisti reJisoris dadgmaSi SeiZleba Zalian Tanamedroved gaJRerdes. magaliTad, udidesi siamovneba miviRe speqtaklidan `ase iqceva yvela~ (mocarti). reJisorma, baletmaisterma solistebTan da gundTan erTad ise dadga, TiTqos mTliani opera iyo cekva, solistebi – mocekvaveebi. yvela cekvavda Tu ara, sul moZraobaSi iyo. Zalian moewona mayurebels, gansakuTrebiT axalgazrdebs.
– rogor damkvidrdi am TeatrSi?
– gamocxadebuli iyo samturiani konkursi meore altis misaRebad, es yvelaze dabali xmaa qalTa registrSi. SemiZlia cota vitrabaxo, sam adgilze iyo 75 pretendenti da marto me amiyvanes.
– anu ori adgili darCa Tavisufali, radgan ver ipoves Sesabamisi xarisxis momRerali?
– diax, meore wels miiRes aqedan erTi da ori wlis Semdeg mesme adgili Seivso. miRebis kriteriumebia Zalian mkacri, radgan parizis operis gundi iTvleba solistebis gundad. ase eZaxis yvela. weliwadSi erTxel gundis momRerlebisTvis bastiliis TeatrSi ewyoba specialuri mosmena da Zalian xSirad sxvadasxva rolze ahyavT xolme gundis momRerlebi. me piradad aTamde roli mimReria bastiliis TeatrSi, magaliTad, puCinis `da anJelikaSi~, sadac Tamar iveri mReroda mTavar partias da mTavari monazvnis rols me vasrulebdi. amaze satelevizio siuJetic gaakeTes – ori qarTveli – erT dadgmaSi. mere iyo roli `Tavadi igoriSi~ da sxva. mokled, gundis wevrebs sakuTari SesaZleblobebis warmoCenis saSualebas aZleven. esec erT-erTi gamocdaa, sakmaod maRlaa aweuli am gundis Tamasa. amas jer kidev maSin mivxvdi, roca Tavad aRmovCndi SesarCevi turebis JiuriSi. zedmiwevniT obieqturad midis momRerlebis SerCeva. gundis wevri var, magram maqvs damoukidebeli koncertebi. TeatrSi sakmaod dakavebuli var. yoveli sezoni datvirTulia, bevri repeticiaa. mTeli sezoni winaswar gawerili gvaqvs dReebis mixedviT. marto warmodgena maqvs asi, repeticiebi orkestrTan calkea da scenuri calke.
– Tavidan dramatuli soprano iyavi . . .
– baTumis periodSi ki, mere Sevicvale registri da meco soprano gavxdi, dabal registrze gadavedi. xmac Seicvala da rogorc Cans, es potenciali mqonda. meco soprano dramatul sopranoze iSviaTia da misTvis ufro iolia gzis gakvleva evropaSi. Zalian komfortulad vgrZnobdi Tavs mecos repertuarSi. sanam gundSi Sevidodi, miwvevdnen sxvadasxva TeatrSi, magram bolos stabiluroba da wynari cxovreba varCie.
– ra mogca baTumma rogorc momRerals da rogor gaxsendeba xolme igi ucxoeTSi?
– baTumuri periodi Cems cxovrebaSi Zalian mniSvnelovani iyo, radgan rogorc momReralma, fexi baTumis scenaze avidgi. aq vimRere Cemi pirveli partia, eTeris partia `abesalom da eTeriSi~. eTeris partiaze minda mogiyve. konservatoriaSi rom vabarebdi, nodar andRulaZe iyo komisiaSi. erT-erTi kiTxva, romelic damisva, iyo – romeli partia gindaT imReroT pirvelado, axalgazrda viyavi da sirTule arc ki gamiazrebia, ise vuTxari eTeri-meTqi. warbi awia batonma nodarma, ahaa, maSin gisurvebT, rom Tqveni pirveli partia eTeri iyoso da ai, TiTqos damebeda. es urTulesi partiaa da marTalia, Tavi gavarTvi, magram am gadmosaxedidan mainc naadrevi iyo maSin CemTvis misi Sesruleba. eTeris partiac Zalian miyvarda, scenaze am partiaSi Zalian laRad vgrZnobdi Tavs, magram lela `leladan~ Tavisi patriotuli suliskveTebiT ufro maRelvebda da ufro Cemi iyo. ra miyvarda baTumSi, ici? – is siTbo, romelic yovelTvis modioda, quCaSi rom mcnobdnen da mesalmebodnen, siyvaruls vgrZnobdi baTumelebisgan. Sua ariaSi maRal bgeras rom aiRebdi da darbazSi taSi ifeTqebda, ase mxolod baTumSi xdeba, sxvagan arsad. evropaSi ufro gawonasworebuli msmenelia. baTumeli msmenelis spontanuroba, emocia, gamoxatvis unari sxva fenomenia, Zalian mosanatrebeli.
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