“ემიგრაცია ადამიანს ართმევს ცხოვრების ლამაზ ფერებს”
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`ekliani siyvaruli~ qalbatonma eTer zaqariaZem ucxoeTSi dawera da gamoaqveyna. es vrceli prozauli nawarmoebi emigrantTa cxovrebis mraval problemas mxatvrulad warmoaCens da yuradRebac miipyro. amis dasturia axlaxan TbilisSi saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiris iniciativiTa da mxardaWeriT gamarTuli prezentacia. es dRe dauviwyari iyo ara marto avtorisTvis, aramed yvela damswrisaTvis. sazogadoebis winaSe Rirseulad warmoCnda emigranti qalbatoni – poeti, prozaikosi, romelic ukve aT welze metia, ucxoeTSi cxovrobs, warmatebiT saqmianobs da Tanamemamuleebs Soreuli cis qveS Tavis gulis siTbos uwiladebs, cdilobs, uangarod daexmaros, xvedri Seumsubuqos . . . damswreTa winaSe idga es mSvenieri qalbatoni da gulaxdilad saubrobda, misgan sikeTe da siyvaruli ifrqveoda. mas pativiscemiT ukravdnen taSs, arc saqebari sityvebi dauSurebiaT. amJamad qalbatoni eTeri SveicariaSi, qalaq ciurixSia. davukavSirdiT mas da vTxoveT, epasuxa Cveni SekiTxvebisaTvis. maS ase, nomris stumaria qalbatoni eTer zaqariaZe.
– mweralTa saxlSi Tqveni wignis prezentacia, rogorc aRiniSna, Zalian warmatebulad Catarda. gviambeT amis Taobazec da Tavad wignzec.
– `uwignod TvalTaxedvis isari moklea~ . . . 14 oqtomberi da Cemi pirveli wignis dabadeba sizmridan axdenil ocnebad darCeba CemSi. TavmdablobiT, morcxvad da mainc amayad videqi didi, Rirseuli mwerlebis, poetebis gverdiT. wigni yovelTvis Cemi `sisuste~ iyo, mudam mniSvnelovan rols TamaSobda Cems cxovrebaSi da rodesac wigns vwerdi, samyaros Tavisuflad mWvreteli vxdebodi, vfiqrobdi imaze, rac yvelaze mTavari da arsebiTia: ras niSnavs adamianad yofna, vin var da ratom var am qveyanaze. vwerdi da vbrundebodi Cems TavTan, vcdilobdi, aRmomeCina is SesaZlebloba, rac CemSi iyo.
– `Tqven, rom lamazi komentarebiT da mowonebebiT mamxnevebdiT, dadga dro madlierebisa~. es sityvebi sajarod TqviT da Semdeg rogor gamoxateT Tqveni madliereba?
– CemTvis mkiTxvelia avtoris, wignis Semfasebeli. minda visargeblo am SemTxveviT da Cemi poeziis Tu prozis TiToeul mkiTxvels madloba gadavuxado TanadgomisTvis, waxalisebisTvis, TiToeuli mowonebisTvis. 200 wigni saCuqrad davurige TiToeuls, vinc momwvda. vinc ver momwvda, maTganac yvela miiRebs uangarod. Cemi mkiTxvelis damsaxurebaa, rom 14 oqtombers videqi mweralTa saxlSi, Rirseuli adamianebis nakvalevze – scenaze da darbazidan mkiTxvelis siyvaruliT avsebuli Tvalebi mamxnevebda. diax! rodesac Cems wigns vwerdi, vfiqrobdi mkiTxvelze, rom Cems wignSi TiToeul mkiTxvels amoecno sakuTari Tavi da eTqvaT: avtori imaze metad gvicnobs, vidre me TviTon vicnob sakuTar Tavs.
– didi xania ucxoeTSi cxovrobT, emigrantis yofam bevri saTqmeli dagigrovaT, cxadia . . .
– rac unda karg garemoSi moxvde, mainc rTulia emigrantis cxovreba. 2001 wlidan daiwyo es CemTvis. emigrantobis pirveli rva weli SveicariaSi, qalaq ciurixSi gavatare, maSin, rodesac jer kidev ase maRal doneze ar iyo interneti, skaipi, wvdoma datovebuli ojaxis wevrebTan, megobrebTan. Zalian miWirda, rva weli ar iyo cota dro. dro da manZili, romelic auferulebs yvela tkbil grZnobas da garTmevs adamians cxovrebis yvelaze lamaz ferebs. rva wlis Semdeg davbrundi samSobloSi, vixile gadatrialebuli saxelmwifo, siRatakis gzaze damdgari glexoba, umuSevroba, gausaZlisi pirobebi. gaiyina samsaxurebi . . . gamosavals mxolod emigraciaSi dabrunebaSi vxedavdi. miZneldeboda da mainc davbrundi, amjerad italiaSi, romSi wavedi, magram Sveicaria sul sxvagvarad mizidavda.
– modiT, gvamogzaureT SveicariaSi da agviwereT Tundac erTi dRe, cxovrebis wesi, adamianebi, urTierTobebi, ra mogwonT, rogoria maTi damokidebuleba garemosTan, wesrigTan, ras isurvebdiT, rom saqarTveloSic danergiliyo . . .
– Sveicaria aris Zalian mimzidveli adgili sacxovreblad da samuSaod mravali araSveicarieli moqalaqisaTvis misi saocari peizaJebiT. SeuZliaT Seqmnan kompania, dasaqmdnen masSi, cxovrobdnen da isargeblon mimzidveli sagadasaxado reJimiT. aq cxovrebas bevri upiratesoba aqvs. es aris usafrTxo, neitraluri qveyana, aqvs cxovrebisa da ganaTlebis maRali standartebi, es aris lamazi qveyana xeluxlebeli tbebiT alpebis fonze, aq 70 ulamazesi tbaa. msoflioSi erT-erTi yvelaze ucnauri, Caketili saxelmwifoa, romelic arasdros ereva saerTaSoriso konfliqtebSi, TviTon awarmoebs kvebis yvela produqts, sakuTar bankebSi msoflios finansebis dacviT ki, Tavdacvasac mSvenivrad axerxebs. kvira dRes yvela maRazia iketeba, Sveicarielebi gvian iRviZeben da mTel kvira dRes ojaxis wevrebTan erTad atareben, kategoriulad akrZalulia dasvenebis dReebSi `xmauriT~ muSaoba. visurvebdi, rom saqarTveloSi yvelam Tavisi saqme akeTos da erTmaneTis uRalato siyvaruli damkvidrebuliyos.
– mdidari adamiani xarT – Svilebi, SviliSvilebi, SvilTaSvilebi . . . es Tqveni siZlieris wyarocaa da motivaciac . . . .
– vamayob Cemi SvilebiT, aqvT mizani, uyvarT Sroma, umklavdebian problemebs da RvTisgan naboZeb sicocxleSi cxovrebas irgeben.
– mogoneba, romelic mudam Tan gdevT da STagagonebT.
– yovelTvis, roca ekali mxvdeba, magondeba mamis Segoneba: `iare im gziT, romelic gakvaluli araa da mxolod Seni kvali datove!~ mTavaria, iyo adamianobis, sikeTis da siyvarulis matarebeli sicocxlis bolomde.
– Tqvens leqsebSi xSirad gvxvdeba miTologiuri saxe-xatebi. cxadia, sagangebod mimarTavT miToss. sainteresoa Tqveni Sexeduleba amis Sesaxeb.
– samyaroSi yvelaferi bunebas ekuTvnis. rTulia bunebis gamokvleva, rTulia davinaxoT miTologiuri samyaro misi specifikuri da mkafiod individualuri saxiT. veyrdnobi Zveli miTebisa da istoriebis nakrebs, RvTisSvilebsa da gmirebs, romlebsac zebunebrioba axasiaTebT da saswaulebrivad ibadebian.
– mkiTxveli ra siaxleebs unda elodos Tqvengan?
– mweralTa kavSiris wevroba pasuxismgeblobas mmatebs. gadavdgi nabiji da unda davZlio problemebi, viaro win da mkiTxvelis winaSe Tqmuli sityva saqmiT davamSveno. emigraciaSi erTdroulad or wignze vmuSaob: `fuli, vneba Tu siyvaruli~ da `zRapris kaci~.
– `kaci gana mxolod maSin kvdeba, roca sikvdili kars moadgeba?~ roca amas werdiT, cxadia, gulistkiviliT, ra gafiqrebdaT da saerTod, ras fiqrobT sikvdilze?
– sikvdilze saubari yovelTvis arasasiamovnoa, masze fiqris drosac cudi SegrZneba geufleba . . . miwier gancdaTa Soris yvelaze saSineli SiSia, misi atana ufro mZimea, vidre siRaribis, avadmyofobis da sxva . . . sikvdilis SiSis ganadgureba mxolod bunebis SecnobiT SeiZleba. adamiani ver miaRwevs umaRles Tavisuflebas, Tu man ar gadalaxa sikvdilis SiSi, radgan masze damfrTxali fiqri ufro uaresia, vidre TviT sikvdili . . . Tumca, kidev ufro saSineli iqneboda imaze fiqri, rom Cven arasodes movkvdebiT.
– fiqrebi, romlebic xSirad gstumrobT . . .
– fiqri arafers niSnavs saqmis gareSe. vfiqrob warsulzec, ganvlilze, momxdarze, rac momavlis prognozirebaSi mexmareba.
– TviTSecnobis gza da saSualeba bevria, magram `ha, TqvenSia RvTis sasufeveli~ amis gancda Zneldeba.
– adamiani RvTis Svilia, magram saidumlo imaSia, rom RmerTis Svili oradaa gayofili da mas adamiani hqvia. orad gayofil adamianSi mudmivad mimdinareobs Sinagani dialogi or urTierTsapirispiro nawils Soris. erTi nawili gambedavia, cvlilebebis moyvaruli, mkvlevari, saidumlo izidavs, meore ki mSiSara, komfortis moyvaruli, wuTier grZnobebs ayolili medrovea, erTi cisken iyureba, meore – miwisken. isini ebrZvian erTmaneTs da Sinagani dialogi am brZolis gamoZaxilia. rodesac medrove da siamovnebas ayolili nawili iwyebs gamarjvebas, adamiani berdeba da kvdeba. saWiroa siyvarulis mdgomareobaSi rac SeiZleba xSirad dabruneba, rom RvTis sasufeveli daimkvidros adamianis sulma. caTa sasufeveli waagavs mindorSi dafarul saunjes, romelsac ipovis kaci da damalavs, sixaruliT midis da yidis yovelives, rac abadia da yidulobs im mindors.
– adamianma bednierad rom igrZnos Tavi, ra aris amisaTvis mTavari da Tqven ras urCevdiT?
– imisaTvis, rom bednieri iyo, bednierebis SesaZleblobis unda gjerodes, romelic Signidan modis da veravin SeZlebs adamianis gabednierebas, garda sakuTari Tavisa. bednierebam Tqva: `yvela asaxden zRaparSi mnaxe . . . da imedis siod gamomiZaxe~. vurCevdi adamianebs, daeyrdnon mizans da ara adamianebs da sagnebs.
– wignis prezentaciaze CamoxvediT saqarTveloSi, ra cvlilebebi dagxvdaT aq. rogoria STabeWdileba?
– Camovedi 12 wlis Semdeg da aeroportSi fexiT rom Sevexe miwas, vigrZeni misi surneli sul sxva – Cemi miwis, avmCatdi da vifiqre, TviTon miwam xelSi amiyvana. miwa Semiyvarda . . . adamianebi ver vicani. adamianebi sul sxva auriT datvirTulad aRviqvi. ucxod davdiodi. vfiqrobdi, sadRac ucxo garemoSi movxvdi. dro didi ar mqonda da rodesac emigraciaSi davbrundi, Tavisuflad amovisunTqe da megona, Cems budeSi davbrundi. cudia, magram simarTlea. gavimeoreb: emigracia adamians arTmevs cxovrebis lamaz ferebs.
– miuxedavad siZneleebisa da problemebisa, sicocxle, cxovreba saintereso da saocneboa, ara?
– cxovreba Rirs, rac ar unda moxdes Sen garSemo. igi ganZia da yoveli wami Zvirfasia misi tkivilebiT da saocrebebiT. cxovreba patara speqtaklia: imRereT, gaicineT, icekveT, cota kidec itireT da intensiurad icxovreT cxovrebis yovel momentamde, sanam farda daeSveba da speqtakli taSis gareSe dasruldeba. cxovreba xom moklea da mets ar iZleva.
– xvalindeli dRe – rogor gesaxebaT is realurad?
– dedamiwa globaluri katastrofisaken miiCqaris. qveynis erT nawilSi yvelaferi cocxali iRupeba. meore nawils ki wylis stiqia azanzarebs, Znelia dakarguli `Svilis~ Zebna, rodesac axali myinvarebis periodi dgeba. viocneboT tkbil sizmrebze, radgan realurad, xvalindeli dRe arasodes mokvdeba.
