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marTalia, saparlamento arCevnebamde ori weli darCa, magram qarTul politikur velze politikosebi dros ar kargaven, maqsimalurad gaazrebulad moqmedeben. mmarTveli partia ramdenime wevrma datova da axali organizacia `xalxis Zala~ Seqmna, romelic, opoziciis TqmiT, xelisuflebis satelitia
`nacmoZraobaSi~ Sida ganxeTqileba matulobs, ramac mxareebi or banakad gayo. samma partiam `samTa aliansi~ (`strategia aRmaSenebeli~, `droa~ da `girCi – meti Tavisufleba~) Camoayaliba. aRsaniSnavia, rom urTierTdapirispirebis erT-erTi faqtori evrokavSiris wevrobis kandidatis statusis miReba-armiRebas ukavSirdeba, opozicia xelisuflebas prorusul Zalad moixseniebs, Tavis mxriv mmarTveli gundi opoziciis nawils destabilizaciis mcdelobaSi adanaSaulebs.
Cndeba kiTxvebi: ra gamowvevebis winaSe vdgavarT? rogor SeiZleba warimarTos politikuri procesebi? – am da sxva mniSvnelovan sakiTxebze Tavis Tvalsazriss `strategia aRmaSeneblis~ aWaris organizaciis xelmZRvaneli beqa diasamiZe gviziarebs.
– amas winaT baTumSi `samTa aliansma~ mosaxleobasTan Sexvedra gamarTa. ra iyo misi mizani da ra SekiTxvebi daisva?
– Sexvedris mizani sazogadoebis farTo fenebisTvis gaerTianebis politikuri miznebis, amocanebisa da maTi gadawyvetis gzebis gacnoba iyo. politikur speqtrSi dRes erTianobas alternativa ar gaaCnia. Tu gvinda davamarcxoT rusuli xelisufleba da gavxdeT evrokavSiris wevri qveyana, yvela dasavluri demokratiis Rirebulebebis matarebeli Zalebi unda gaverTiandeT. Cven Ria varT rogorc saubrisTvis, aseve TanamSromlobisTvis politikur partiebTanac da, aseve, individebTan, vinc CvensaviT demokratiul faseulobebs iziarebs da mzad aris biZina ivaniSvilis xelisuflebasTan sabrZolvelad. rac Seexeba SekiTxvebs – sasixaruloa, rom sazogadoeba, rogorc arasdros, pozitiurad kritikulia. mosaxleoba kargad aanalizebs qveyanaSi Seqmnil mdgomareobas da gveTanxmeba, rom opoziciuri partiebis gaerTianeba saerTo ideis garSemo aucilebelia. kiTxvebi ufro gaerTianebis teqnikur mxares exeboda, vidre Sinaarsobrivs.
– xelisufleba acxadebs, rom opoziciis SeniSvnebi evrokavSiris wevrobis kandidatis statusTan dakavSirebiT umarTebuloa. Tqven rogor fiqrobT, opoziciis pretenziebi xelisuflebis mimarT ramdenad samarTliania?
– araerTi Tve gavida mas Semdeg, rac 12-punqtiani gegmis Sesruleba mogvca evrokavSirma saSinao davalebis saxiT. am xnis ganmavlobaSi xelisuflebis mxridan, saqmis nacvlad, mxolod ritorika gvesmis (arafers vambob Cvens evropel megobrebze mmarTveli partiis Tavdasxmebze). qveynis xelisufleba, romelsac evrointegracia surs, ase ar iqceva. metic, gvaqvs safuZvliani eWvi, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ sabotaJs awyobs, raTa saqarTvelom ar miiRos kandidatis statusi. Cveni da Cveni Svilebis evropuli momavali am xelisuflebis pirobebSi kiTxvis niSnis qveS aris da, bunebrivia, Cveni pretenziebi maT mimarT samarTliania!
– rogorc cnobilia, 12 punqtis umTavresi nawilia depolarizaciis pirobebis Sesruleba, sasamarTlos damoukideblobis xarisxis gazrda da prokuraturis reformis gatareba, deoligarqizacia. . . am mxriv xelisuflebis da opoziciis TanamSromloba ra stadiaSia?
– arcerTi mimarTulebiT `qarTul ocnebas~ winsvla ar aqvs. saubaria depolarizaciaze, mmarTveli Zala Tavisi ritorikiT kidev ufro aRvivebs sazogadoebaSi dapirispirebas. gvinda damoukidebeli sasamarTlo da murusiZes abruneben iusticiis umaRles sabWoSi klanis gasaZliereblad. deoligarqiaze saubaric xom zedmetia. isrebi gadmoaqvT opoziciur flangze, TiTqos biZina ivaniSvilis kompaniis yofili menejerebi da momsaxure personali ar iyvnen ministrebi da sxva maRalCinosnebi, romelTac saxelmwifoSi mniSvnelovan finansur da administraciul resursebze miuwvdebaT xeli.
– rakiRa xelisufleba vaxseneT. . . opozicia aRmasrulebel xelisuflebas akritikebs da es misi movaleobaa, Tumca Tu aris iseTi sakiTxebi, raSic eTanxmebiT?
– mimaCnia, rom opozicioneris movaleobaa, aRmasrulebel xelisuflebas miuTiTos am ukanasknelis mier gadadgmul nabijebze, romelic, misi azriT, iwvevs qveyanaSi an usamarTlobas, an araefeqturia da ver pasuxobs Cveni moqalaqeebis interesebs, magram roca dadebiTi xdeba, mxari unda davuWiroT da metic, erTad vibrZoloT amisTvis, radgan qveyana erTi gvaqvs opoziciasac da poziciasac. ubralod, bolo 10 wlis ganmavlobaSi ra mimarTulebiT gvaqvs warmateba, rom xelisuflebas mxari davuWiroT? sagareo politikaSi `argaRizianebis~ strategiam qveyana ruseTis federaciis ukana ezod aqcia. qveynis SigniT izrdeba nepotizmi, kriminali da korufcia. yvela donis arCevnebi gayalbebis, mosyidvisa da daSinebis fonze mimdinareobs. Tavisufal sityvas yoveldRiurad safrTxe emuqreba. mitacebulia aRmasrulebeli, sakanonmdeblo da sasamarTlo xelisufleba. ekonomikur politikas Tu SevexebiT, mwyobri da Tanmimdevruli xedva ar gagvaCnia, qveyana viTardeba qaosurad da arasistemurad. ufro gamarTlebaze varT mindobili, vidre mSral gaTvlasa da pragmatizmze.
– saqarTveloSi mimdinare movlenebze mniSvnelovan gavlenas ekonomikuri foni axdens, rac amas winaT sociologiur kvlevebSic aisaxa, am mxriv ra mdgomareobaa qveyanaSi?
– yvela gamokiTxvaSi, rac ki avtoritetul organizaciebs CautarebiaT, pirvel sam ZiriTad problemad mosaxleoba asaxelebs: umuSevrobas, siRaribes da inflacias. es ukve TavisTavad metyvelebs im ekonomikur mdgomareobaze, ris gamoc meqsikis gavliT Cveni mosaxleoba amerikis SeerTebul StatebSi garbis. socialur daxmarebas 600 aTasze meti adamiani iRebs da kidev milionze meti amis msurvelia. 70 aTasze meti bavSvi SimSilobs. es aris Cveni qveynis realoba. mTavrobis araTanmimdevrulma nabijebma, araprofesionalizmma, xedvisa da politikuri nebis uqonlobam migviyvana am mdgomareobamde.
– cxadia, gverds ver avuvliT evroparlamentis amaswinandel rezolucias saqarTvelosTan dakavSirebiT, romelsac mxareebi sxvadasxvanairad afaseben. . .
– mkafiod Cans, rom `qarTuli ocneba~ ar adgas evrokavSirisken mimaval gzas. gza, romelsac igi adgas, aris ruseTisken mimavali. ivnisSi swored maT gamo ver miviReT kandidatis statusi da momavalSic damTavrdeba negatiuri SedegiT, ver miviRebT kandidatis statuss. amitom gvWirdeba proevropuli erTianoba, romelsac Cveni evropeli partniorebic elodebian da romelic Sedegze gagviyvans.
– `ratom esxmiT Tavs da lanZRavT aSS-is elCs saqarTveloSi?~ – aseTi kiTxva dausva Tqvenma liderma giorgi vaSaZem xelisuflebis wevrebs. Tavis mxriv mmarTveli partia ambobs, rom aSS-is elCi `nacmoZraobis~ lobistia.
– aSS da misi elCi saqarTvelos da qarTveli xalxis megobrebi arian da ara romelime politikuri partiis. Cveni strategiuli partniori gvaZlevs Sanss, gavxdeT msoflio civiluri sazogadoebis sruluflebiani wevrebi. am istoriuli Sansis xelidan gaSveba qveynisa da momavali Taobebis Ralatia. istoria yvelafers Tavis saxels daarqmevs da didi imedi maqvs, rom am gamowvevas Cveni qveynis moqalaqeebTan erTad Tavs gavarTmevT da saxelmwifo interesebs erTi partiis interesebs da survils – ganusazRvreli vadiT darCnen xelisuflebaSi, ar gadavayolebT.
– vxedavT, rom prezidenti salome zurabiSvili garkveulwilad, mmarTvel partias akritikebs sxvadasxva sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT da acxadebs, rom dasavleTi ar cdilobs saqarTvelos omSi CaTrevas. es risi maniSnebelia?
– imis, rom saqarTvelos prezidents periodulad `gamonaTebebi~ aqvs da am unikalur movlenas gansakuTrebiT misi saerTaSoriso vizitebis Semdeg vxedavT. imaze, rom dasavleTs omSi CarTva ar unda, wina interviuebis dros vrclad visaubreT da aRar gavimeoreb. vfiqrob, Cveni mosaxleoba amas dRiTi dRe sul ufro kargad unda iazrebdes. rac Seexeba prezidents, mas valdebuleba saqarTvelosTan ar aqvs, igi SuSis sasaxlis mflobelis winaSea valdebuli da Tu kritikul gancxadebebs akeTebs, mxolod xelisuflebis da ara biZina ivaniSvilis `gauRizianeblobis~ politikis mimarT.
– uyuradRebod ver davtovebT opoziciaSi Seqmnil mdgomareobas, eqspertebi acxadeben, rom dResdReobiT opozicia dambladacemulia, Tumca Tqveni partiis TaosnobiT Seiqmna `samTa aliansi~, xom ar aris mosalodneli am kavSiris gafarToeba?
– vfiqrobT, gaerTianebis ideam nihilizmi, romelic dabudebulia opociziur flangsa da amomrCevelSi, unda daamarcxos. moqmedebis droa da mxolod erToblivi ZalebiT SevZlebT Cveni moqalaqeebis interesebis dacvas. imedi gvaqvs, rom gaerTianeba kidev ufro gaZlierdeba da gafarTovdeba.
– qarTul politikaSi urTierTbraldebebi araxalia, magaliTad, Salva naTelaSvilma kiTxva dausva saparlamento opozicias: `rodis datovebT parlaments? Tu am nabijs ar gadadgamT, xelisuflebasTan Sekrulebi iqnebiT~. ras upasuxebdiT mas da aqve – Tanmdevi kiTxva: ra xdeba `nacmoZraobaSi~?
– kiTxva maqvs baton SalvasTan – rom ar Semovida parlamentSi, amiT ra mniSvnelovani politikuri amocanebi gadawyvita garedan?! parlamenti aris platforma, romlis gamoyenebac opoziciurma partiebma sxva resursebTan erTad maqsimalurad unda scadon. Tu es ver xerxdeba, ese igi, am mimarTulebiT kidev bevria gasakeTebeli. rac Seexeba enm-s, mimdinare procesebi gardauvali iyo bolo dros ganviTarebuli movlenebis fonze. es didi britaneTis politikurma krizisma gvaCvena, rom partiis xelmZRvaneli da premier-ministri Zalian mokle xanSi SeiZleba ramdenjerme Seicvalos, es partiis SigniT liderebis legitimaciisTvis saWiro procesia. . . modiT, davelodoT movlenebis ganviTarebas.
– udavoa, rom opoziciis da xelisuflebis urTierTdapirispireba arCevnebis Catarebasac ukavSirdeba. mmarTveli partiis wevrebma Tqves, rom 2024 wlis arCevnebi saqarTveloSi eleqtronuli formiT Catardeba, magram aman bevri pasuxgaucemeli kiTxva gaaCina, magaliTad, SeZleben Tu ara eleqtronul arCevnebSi monawileobas emigrantebi?
– emigrantebis Tema Zalian mniSvnelovania da principuli datvirTva aqvs. Tu arCevnebis eleqtronuli wesiT Catarebas vapirebT, emigrantebmac aucileblad unda miiRon masSi monawileoba, rac, vfiqrob, xelisuflebas xels ar aZlevs, radgan maTi mxridan daSineba da mosyidva Cveni qveynis farglebs gareT ver moqmedebs.
– parlamenti ganixilavs axali saxalxo damcvelis SerCevis sakiTxs, rogor SeafasebdiT am process? sxvaTa Soris, mmarTveli partiis wevrebi acxadeben, rom yofili saxalxo damcveli tendenciuri iyo maT mimarT. . .
– dRes moqmedi saxalxo damcveli Tavis saqmes akeTebda, anu adamianis uflebaTa darRvevis sakiTxebSi igi kritikuli iyo xelisuflebis mimarT, xelisuflebas kritika ar moswons da yvelanairad ecdeba, rom axal saxalxo damcvels mmarTveli partiis mimarT mxolod diTirambebi amosdiodes piridan. amaze metyvelebs kandidatebis sakomiteto mosmenebic parlamentSi, sadac maT socialur qselSi ramdenime wlis winandel kritikul komentarebsac uxsenebdnen. damrCa STabeWdileba, rom umravlesobam parlamentSi speqtakli dadga, romelic maTTvis arasasurveli kandidatebis gasaSaveblad iyo gamoyenebuli.
– sagareo sakiTxsac SevexoT: ukrainam xersoni gaaTavisufla, Tqveni azriT, dawyebulia Tu ara am omSi gardatexa ukrainelTa sasargeblod da ras unda velodoT?
– xersonis aRebas mniSvnelovani politikuri, samxedro da moraluri datvirTva aqvs ukrainisTvis. ruseTi am oms agebs da xersonis aRebam amas beWedi dausva. ubralod, aravis SeuZlia Tqvas, ra droiT gaiWimeba sabrZolo operaciebi. unda vifiqroT, rom, yvelaze gvian, momdevno wlis gazafxulze mniSvnelovani gardatexis momswreni unda gavxdeT ukrainis SeiaraRebuli Zalebis mxridan.
– dabolos, wydeba Tu ara ukrainaSi axali msoflio wesrigis bedi da am mxriv saqarTvelos momavali rogor gesaxebaT?
– diax, momavali msoflios usafrTxoebis arqiteqtura rogori iqneba, dRes swored ukrainaSi wydeba, sadac ramdenime qveyana Tavad ukrainasTan erTad iqneba tonis mimcemi. saqarTvelosac SeeZlo Tavisi sityvis Tqma am istoriul procesebSi. Tumca dRevandeli mTavrobis pozicia pirSi wylis dagubebaa da meti araferi. ar vCanvarT da arc ambicia gvaqvs arafris, aseTia oficialuri Tbilisis politikuri pozicia.
