,,არც დედამიწას დავტოვებდი და არც დედამიწაზე – საქართველოს”
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cnobili enaTmecnieri, mwerali, studentTa usayvarlesi leqtori mamia faRava, upirvelesad, Tavisi gamorCeuli adamianuri TvisebebiTa da mecnierul-literaturuli saqmianobiT ipyrobs yuradRebas
`akeTe saqme gulwrfelad, daafase sxvisi gakeTebuli~ – es misi cxovrebis devizia, ase swams da amgvaradac iqceva. amas misi saqmianoba adasturebs. rogorc mkvlevarma, didi Sroma gaswia istoriuli samxreT saqarTvelos Sesaswavlad. TvalsaCinoa misi wvlili Woroxis xeobis mkvidrTa da qarTvel muhajirTa STamomavlebis yofisa da kulturis kompleqsur warmoCenaSi. wignebSi `SavSuri Canawerebi~, `muhajirTa STamomavloba~, `taouri Canawerebi~ sainteresod gadmogvcems savele eqspediciebis STabeWdilebebs, nanaxsa da gancdils. gansakuTrebiT mniSvnelovania, rom swored misi xelmZRvanelobiT 1995-2019 wlebSi 40-ze meti kompleqsuri eqspedicia moewyo Woroxis `qveynebsa~ da muhajirTa dasaxlebaSi. batoni mamia faRava sulis Camdgmeli, redaqtori da erT-erTi avtoria bsu-is qarTvelologiis centris mier gamocemuli kompleqsuri monografiebisa `SavSeTi~ da `klarjeTi~. sagulisxmoa isic, rom `klarjeTis~ avtorTa jgufs saqarTvelos mecnierebaTa akademiam ivane javaxiSvilis premia mianiWa. aRsaniSnavia, rom qarTvelologiis centris mier gamocemul wignebSi, monografiebsa da krebulebSi mamia faRavas araerTi sayuradRebo gamokvlevaa warmodgenili.
raoden gasaxaria, rom es Rvawlmosili, sanimuSo mecnieri, mwerali da adamiani aqtiurad agrZelebs samecniero da literaturul moRvaweobas. dRes batoni mamia faRava gazeT `aWaris~ stumaria.
– Tqvens biografiaSi romelime mniSvnelovan moments Tu gamohyofT da ratom?
– Cemi biografia, rogorc yvela mokvdavis, erTi mTliani jaWvia, Tumca masSi SeiZleba zogierTi momentis gamoyofa: pirveli Svilis dabadeba, romliTac ojaxi axal relsebze gadaewyo. . . aseve, sasiamovno da dasamaxsovrebeli iyo pirveli wignis gamocema, samecniero xarisxebis dacva da sxva bevri. Cemi biografiis erT-erT mniSvnelovan momentad mimaCnia is dRe Tu saaTi, rodesac Cems megobrebTan erTad pirvelad Cavedi nukas saydris (Cveni azriT – xanZTis) ezoSi. es iyo amaRlebuli wami Cveni cxovrebisa: daRlilebi, gasavaTebulebi, magram bednierebi viyaviT. . . sxva mniSvnelovani momentebis gaxsenebac SeiZleba.
– Tema, problema, rac yvelaze metad gaRelvebT?
– xvalindeli dRe maRelvebs da mafiqrebs yvelaze metad: rogor qveyanas vutovebT Svilebs, kulturas, mecnierebas, ganaTlebis sistemas. . . yvelafers, riTac Cveni naRvawi Sefasdeba momavlis TvalSi? momavali piruTvneli msajulia. didi poetis gamonaTqvamis perifrazs moviyvan: maRelvebs `ras ityvis Cvenze STamomavloba~.
– enaTmecnieri, mwerali, profesori – es Tqveni statusia, kidev riT SeavsebdiT am wardginebas?
– gana es cotaa? netavi, marTlac ase iyos, raRa damateba sWirdeba? kacma rom Tqvas, ubralod, mamia faRava ar sjobs?
– yvelaze didi jildo, rac gargunes. . .
– yvelaze didi jildo rac mergo, Cemi mSoblebis Sviloba da Cemi ojaxia, mSobliuri enisa da axalgazrdebis msaxureba. bednieri kaci var, rom universitetSi vmoRvaweob, misi nawili var da vakeTeb saqmes, romelic miyvars.
– ra ufro mniSvnelovania literaturisaTvis – realobis asaxva Tu gamonagoni?
– albaT, realobis asaxva, Tumca gamonagonis gareSe literatura ar arsebobs, magram es ukanasknelic realobis asaxvas unda emsaxurebodes. . .
– literaturuli kritika dRes ratom ver axdens zemoqmedebas literaturul procesebze?
– Zneli saTqmelia, garedan ise Cans, rom isini sxvadasxva gziT midian. aris meore ukiduresobac, kritika mxolod literaturuli nawarmoebis qebiTaa dakavebuli.
– Tqveni sayvareli literaturuli personaJi?
– romeli erTi davasaxelo? am wuTSi luarsabi maxsendeba Tavisi `filosofiiT~. es SeiZleba ramdenime dRis win erT megobarTan saubris gamoZaxilic iyos.
– rogorc `Cveneburebis qarTulis~ aRiarebul mkvlevarsa da mematianes, ra kiTxvebi giCndebaT da ra daskvnebamde midixarT?
– Cemi cxovrebis didi dro movandome (kolegebTan erTad) Woroxis xeobis mkvidrTa da qarTvel muhajirTa STamomavlebis yofisa da kulturis kompleqsur kvlevas. Cven didi samecniero programis ramdenime epizodi davasruleT. win kidev gvaqvs samuSao. Tu saSualeba mogveca, Cemi xelmZRvanelobiT kidev ori problema mainc unda davamuSaoT, raTa Woroxis auzis erTiani portreti SevqmnaT, pirveladi mainc. pirveli da mTavari daskvnaa, romelzec vTanxmdebiT, rom Woroxis auzi erTiani kulturuli sivrcea, sadac istoriulad Camoyalibda ramdenime qarTuli qveyana – speri, tao, klarjeTi, SavSeTi (maWaxliTurT) da aWara – metyvelebiT, folkloriTa da eTnologiiT. Woroxis xeobis mkvidrTa metyvelebas samxruli metyveleba vuwodeT, xolo misi diferenciaciis Sedegs – samxruli kiloebi. dRes saSualeba gvaqvs, visaubroT aWarul, SavSur, klarjul, taour dialeqtebze. samwuxarod, araferi viciT sperTa qarTulze. . . rac Seexeba muhajirTa STamomavlebis metyvelebas, igi ganixileba rogorc samxruli dialeqtebis damatebiT masala, romelic avsebs Cvens codnas Sesabamisi kiloebis Sesaxeb. sailustraciod erT faqts moviyvanT: dRes istoriuli klarjeTis xatilas xeoba (arTvins zemoTaa) mTlianad meTurqulea. Cans, mosaxleobac Secvlilia, xatilel muhajirTa STamomavlebi gaWirvebiT, magram mainc saubroben winaparTa enaze. aseve, klarjeTSi sofeli cocxoba (borCxis zemoTaa) meTurqulea, qarTulad saubrobs cocxobel muhajirTa STamomavlebi. maTi metyveleba Zvirfasi masalaa klarjuli kilos Sesaswavlad. aRarafers vambob SavS, aWarel (aq mxedvelobaSi gvaqvs aWariswylis xeoba), qobuleTel da baTumel muhajirTa STamomavlebis metyvelebaze, rogorc SavSuri da aWaruli dialeqtebis Zvirfas masalaze. bevri enobrivi movlena, rac `daiviwya~ dialeqtma adgilze, `axsovs~ muhajirTa qarTuls. . .
modiT, SevTanxmdeT, es calke saubris Temaa da sxva droisaTvis gadavdoT: kiTxvebic bevria, gvaqvs pasuxebic, pasuxgaucemeli kiTxvebic, romlebic kvlevas moiTxovs.
– `vefxistyaosani~ Cveni bibliaa Tu ufro aRmatebuli Tavisi kongenialobiT?
– `vefxistyaosani~ qarTuli sulis mxatvruli portretia SoTas kalmiT Seqmnili, qarTvelTa upirvelesi wigni, bibliaSi kidev kacobriobis istoriaa moTxrobili `Sesaqmedan~ axali aRTqmis epoqis CaTvliT. . . `vefxistyaosanSi~ yvelaferzea saubari, dakvirvebuli mkiTxveli bevr saWiro kiTxvaze ipovis pasuxs. aris SoTas poema qarTveli kacis `biblia~.
– nawarmoebi, romlis avtorobasac isurvebdiT?
– bavSvobidan vkiTxulob, bolos specialobadac avirCie filologoba. bevri wigni momwonebia, romelTa avtorobas visurvebdi, magram es xom mxolod survilia? amitomac im didi wignebis avtoroba mis Semqmnelebs davutovoT, Cven kidev CveniT davkmayofildeT. gangebam imis niWi mogvca, rasac vakeTebT. . .
– mwerali, romlis gacocxlebas isurvebdiT da masTan isaubrebdiT?
– siamovnebiT visaubrebdi giorgi merCulesTan, SoTa rusTavelTan, iliasTan. . . sxva bevrTanac. isini gvesaubrebian dReniadag TavianTi SemoqmedebiT, saintereso iqneboda maTi azri Tanamedrove saqarTveloze, qarTvel kacze da qarTvelTa wuTisofelze. . .
– wigni, romelic radenjerme waikiTxeT. . .
– akaki SaniZis `qarTuli gramatikis safuZvlebi~ (miyvars 1973 wlis gamocema). Tqven albaT ufro mxatvruli nawarmoebi gainteresebdaT da geucnauraT Cemi pasuxi. Tavisufal dros siamovnebiT vkiTxulob qarTul klasikur memkvidreobas, Tanamedrove avtorebsac. erT ambavs gagimxelT, fexi movitexe am ori wlis win da im sam TveSi, romelic saxlSi iZulebiT gavatare, xelaxla gadavikiTxe konstantine gamsaxurdias, ilias tomeulebi, akakis Txzulebebi, mixeil javaxiSvilis romanebi da werilebi, pavle ingoroyvas `giorgi merCule~. . . ki mawuxebda travma, Tumca Sinagan kmayofilebas vgrZnobdi, rom dro gamovnaxe, erTxelac wamekiTxa `Cemi~ wignebi.
– wignis saTauri – ramdenad axdens is zemoqmedebas mkiTxvelze, saukeTesod dasaTaurebuli nawarmoebebi daasaxeleT. . .
– saTauri wignis organuli nawilia (saTauris Sesaxeb Tanamedrove enaTmecnierebaSi mravalferovani literaturaa Seqmnili), rogorc erTi Cveni profesori gvaswavlida, kargi saTauri zog mkiTxvels nawarmoebSi Caaxedebs, zogsac nawarmoebidan gadmoaxedebso. kargadaa dasaTaurebuli ilias `kacia adamiani?!~, k. gamsaxurdias `daviT aRmaSenebeli~, `didostatis konstantines marjvena~, o. WilaZis `gzaze erTi kaci midioda~. . . sxvac bevri.
– romelia ufro efeqturi axalgazrdis sulieri ganviTarebisaTvis – cifruli Tu beWduri wignebi?
– rogorc Zveli Taobis warmomadgeneli, upiratesobas beWdur wignebs vaniWeb. miyvars wigniT datvirTuli Taroebi, Tumca realobas unda gavusworoT Tvali, Cvens yofaSi cifruli wignebi iWers did adgils, amis mizezi bevria, Tundac wignis beWdvisa da gavrcelebis problemebi. erTia, me ra mirCevnia, sxvaa realoba. mTavaria, axalgazrdebma wigni ikiTxon, codna miiRon da amas cifruli wigniT SeZlebs Tu beWduriT, gansakuTrebuli mniSvneloba aRar aqvs.
– romelia Tqveni meTerTmete mcneba?
– akeTe Seni saqme gulwrfelad, daafase sxvisi gakeTebuli.
– sityva, romelsac yvelaze metad iyenebT urTierTobisas?
– batono! qalbatono! madloba!
– dRes qarTul enaSi barbarizmebi da slengebia momZlavrebuli, `ra ena waxdes, eri daeces~, daviviwyeT?
– enis siwmindis dacva yvela Taobis mudmivi sazrunavia. ar SeiZleba, wavuyruoT Cvens enaSi dRes arsebul problemebs. piriqiT, mas danaxva unda, saaSkaraoze gamotana da mogvareba. Cven informaciul sazogadoebaSi vcxovrobT. internetis saSualebiT swrafad vrceldeba informacia, imdenad swrafad, rom ena ver aswrebs yvela maTganis droulad gadamuSavebas, Sesabamisi enobrivi saSualebebis monaxvasa da damkvidrebas, enam ki unda asaxos arsebuli sinamdvile. es aiZulebs enas `miiRos~ ucxo sityvebi da gamoTqmebi. zogjer ucxo sityvebis Semodineba xelovnuradac xdeba, Cveni `ganaTlebisa~ da `codnis~ saCveneblad. . . sabolood ena misaRebs miiRebs, armisaRebs – uaryofs. am procesSi naTlad aisaxeba enisa da eris istoria, masTan damokidebulebaSi – Taobis kultura. enis siwmindisaTvis zrunva didi Temaa, mudmivad sazrunavi. . .
– cifrul xanaSi varT. . .gadawyoba Tu e.w. gadatvirTva drois moTxovnaa, magram am procesis gonierad warmarTva ramdenad sworad mimdinareobs da visze an razea es damokidebuli?
– geTanxmebiT, rom cifrul xanaSi vcxovrobT, aucilebelia gadawyoba drois Sesabamisad. procesi mimdinareobs Cvengan damoukideblad. Cveni saxelmwifos, mecnierebis, ganaTlebis, mwerlobis valia, procesi sworad warmarTos. iciT, radganac amdens vlaparakobT arsebul gamowvevebze, sadRac procesi gonierad ar/ver mimdinareobs, zogjer TviTdinebasaa miSvebuli. rom gvawuxebs arsebuli realoba, es kargis niSania. . .
– romel droSi arCevdiT cxovrebas?
– mxolod axlandel droSi.
– sxva planetaze rom iyos SesaZlebeli wasvla, datovebdiT dedamiwas?
– ara! arc dedamiwas davtovebdi da arc dedamiwaze – saqarTvelos.
– bunebidan ra gizidavT yvelaze metad?
– mTebi mizidavs, wvima – miyvars. . .
– adamianobis xarisxis mopoveba ufro Znelia, vidre samecniero xarisxebis da ra aris umTavresi, rom kargi adamiani viyoT?
– moyvasis siyvaruli da Tavmdabloba! vakeToT Cveni saqme kargad, Cumad da uxmaurod.
– mainc rodis unda vdumdeT da rodis viyviroT? xom ar dadga dro yvirilisa. . . roca Zaladobam imata Cvens sazogadoebaSi?
– saTqmeli jobia droulad vTqvaT. Zaladoba didi mankierebaa da mis winaaRmdeg brZola – aucilebeli. . .
– saWirboroto sakiTxebze fiqrebi rom mogeZalebaT, nugeSad ra gevlinebaT?
– vcdilob, kargze vifiqro, anda Cemi yoveldRiuri saqmiT davkavde.
– kiTxva, romelic mudam Tan gsdevT. . . axla upasuxebT?
– asakisa da gamocdilebis matebasTan erTad bevri pasuxgaucemeli kiTxva migrovdeba, Cans, es Cveni cxovrebis Tanmdevia. kiTxvebze pasuxebi rom vicode, bednieri kaci viqnebodi da siamovnebiT vupasuxebdi xmamaRla, magram kiTxva kiTxvad rCeba. . .
