,,ვქსოვე და ვქარგე ჩემებური ორნამენტებით”
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lali ormocaZe im adamianTa ricxvs ekuTvnis, romelTac SromiTi saqmianobis garkveuli periodi gazeT `aWaris~ (`sabWoTa aWaris~) redaqciasTan akavSirebT. ukve Svid aTeul welsaa gadacilebuli da SemoqmedebiT muSaobas agrZelebs. igi Cveni stumaria
– qalbatono lali, saukunovani gazeTis redaqciaSi muSaoba rogor dagamaxsovrdaT?
– Cemi lamazi, saintereso studentobis periodis umetesi nawili gazeT `sabWoTa aWaris~ redaqcias ukavSirdeba. vTanamSromlobdi gazeTTan, ramac Cems momdevno, aqtiuri cxovrebis sarbielze didi da mniSvnelovani roli iTamaSa. `aWaris~ redaqciasTan TanamSromloba didi pativi gaxldaT nebismieri adamianisTvis. vemsaxurebodi kulturisa da ganaTlebis ganyofilebas, romlis xelmZRvaneli gaxldaT Cveni didi poeti da unikaluri pirovneba batoni SoTa zoiZe. madlieri var, sasargeblo unarebi SeviZine Cemi ufrosi megobris mxardaWeriT. ufalma naTeli daumkvidros mis lamaz suls.
– cxovrebis miznad winsvla gaixadeT. momavals ra mizans moaxmarT?
– momavlis xangrZlivoba, mxolod uflis nebaa da igi Tundac xanmokle iyos, arad dagidevT, radgan me ukve vqsove da vqarge Cemeburi ornamentebiT warsulica da awmyoc. momavlis erT Tvesac ki Cems verSeusrulebel, sanukvar ocnebas, – ferweras davuTmobdi. . . .
– sazogadoeba Semdgar Semoqmedad gicnobT, ra asakSi dawereT nawarmoebi?
– 12 wlisa ukve vbeWdavdi namuSevrebs maSindel sabavSvo Jurnal-gazeTebSi: `dila~, `norCi lenineli~, `saqarTvelos qali~ da a.S. . .. Cemi kalami bavSvobidanve prozas emsaxureboda da verasodes warmovidgendi, rom leqss davwerdi. muza sakmaod gvian movida, ojaxuri stresis fonze. . . iseTi mZafri emociebiT avivse, TiTqos, raRac axali samyaro gaixsna Cems gonebaSi. . .
– poezias, prozas mxatvrobasac uTavsebT.
– poeziis labirinTebSi moTareSe, sakuTar Tavs ver aRviqvam poetad. iyo poeti – udidesi pasuxismgebloba, saTuTi misia gaxlavT. miuxedavad imisa, rom poeturi suliT vcxovrob, prozaSi ufro Tavdajerebulad vgrZnob Tavs. rac Seexeba mxatvrobas, Sors var profesionali mxatvris ostatobisgan. es Cemi hobi gaxlavT, umetesad, Cemi Semoqmedebis personaJebs vxatav. . . CemTvis Zvirfasze gacilebiT aRmatebulia Cemeuli galaktionis portreti, galaqtikuri samyaros fonze Seqmnili. . . diax, Zalian miyvars poeziis xelmwifis miuwvdomeli niWis sidiade, saxe, Tvalebi. . .
– iyo, mxatvari, mwerali, bunebiT boZebuli niWia, magram amasTan erTad, iyo sami Svilis lamazad gamzrdeli deda, es uZvirfasesi misiaa. dedis roli ra adgils iWers Tqvens SemoqmedebaSi?
– dedoba ganumeorebeli SegrZnebaa, romelic TavisTavad uflis toli SesaZleblobaa – gamCeneli xar axali adamianebis. drois dabruneba rom SeiZlebodes, merwmuneT, Svilebis laSqari meyoleboda. Tumca arc ise ioli misia gaxlavT, radgan deda imdeni Svilis cxovrebiT cxovrobs, ramdenica hyavs, rTulia gadanawilde TiToeulis cxovrebaze, magram dedam es unda SeZlos!
– redaqcia, auditoria, skola iyo Tqveni saqmianobis areali. yvelaze metad romel sferoSi grZnobdiT Tavs bednierad?
– es yvelaferi, rac CamoTvaleT, adamianebs ukavSirdeba. imdenad miyvars nebismieri adamiani, rom yvela sferoSi bednierebas margalitebiviT vkinZavdi da sulis skivrSi vinaxavdi. ar arsebobs cudi adamiani, garemo viTarebam Seqmna igi aseTad an iseTad, Tuki moeferebi, gaugeb, siyvaruls aCuqeb, sulier mSvenierebas SeagrZnobineb, igi Seicvleba (gamonaklisi iSviaTobaa). Seicvleba da amaRldeba, radgan medalions ori mxare aqvs, Cven yovelTvis dadebiTi kuTxidan unda davinaxoT adamiani. gansakuTrebiT momwonda moswavle-axalgazrdobasTan urTierToba, megobroba, saubrebi, es gansxvavebuli samyaroa. maTTan urTierTobiT saintereso adamianebi gavicani, Tan bevri ram Sevimecne kidec.
– caluRloba mZime tvirTia. or aTeul welze metia ase modixarT. merab fircxalaSvili Tqvens cxovrebaSi rogor Semovida?
– diax, WeSmaritebas brZanebT, uRelic imitom hqvia, wyvilma unda gaswios, rogorc niSa da laba xarebma. . . calad gaweuli uReli mZime gaxlavT. . . ase Tu ise, gamovcade mainc. . . merabi Cemi lamazi bavSvobis megobari gaxldaT. . . sami wlisani silaSi saxlebs vaSenebdiT. . . maSin dampirda, roca gavizrdebiT, namdvil sasaxles agiSenebo. gaizarda Cemi ocnebis ufliswuli, amiSena kidec navsayudeli da Cven `saxlobanas~ TamaSi namdvil saxlSi gavagrZeleT sam usayvarles TojinasTan erTad. . . adre wavida, Tumca merabis maradiul arsebobas Cven gamudmebiT vgrZnobT. . . .
– Svilebi dedis gzas agrZeleben Tu. . . .
– samive dajildoebulia xelovnebis niWiT. ufrosi, ana, amJamad muSaobs saqarTvelos erovnuli universitetis vice-reqtorad, SuaTana – giorgi, xelovnebis msaxuria. baTumis saxelmwifo dramatuli Teatris msaxiobi gaxlavT, sxvadasxva xelovnebis centrSi miwveulia reJisorad. axali speqtaklebisTvis scenarebsac Tavad wers. umcrosi – erekle, SesaniSnavad xatavs, xeze tvifravs, musikas qmnis. uyvars cxovelebi da mcenareebi, sazRvao akademia aqvs damTavrebuli da axla menavTobis profesiasac eufleba.
– poeziaSi galaktions eTayvanebiT, prozaSi?
– diax, galaktioni Cemi Tanmdevi, sulieri megobari gaxlavT. gamosacemic maqvs krebulis saxiT `galaktionologia~. prozis geniebs ra gamolevs, magram Cemi rCeulni gaxlavT didi konstantine gamsaxurdia, grigol robaqiZe, nodar dumbaZe, onore de balzaki. . . . saintereso naSromi mqonda `zedmeti adamianis tipi konstantine gamsaxurdias SemoqmedebaSi~, romelic yvela epoqis adamianTa cxovrebiseul yofierebas gamoxatavs. . . .
– sityva, romelic Tqvens SemoqmedebaSi mravalgzis meordeba. . .
– misteria!!! – radgan sityva ukavSirdeba idumalebis fenomens, idumaleba ki adamianTa Tandayolili interesi gaxlavT samyaros SecnobasTan mimarTebaSi.
– Tu saidumlo araa, axla ra nawarmoebs amzadebT gamosacemad?
– ramdenime wigni maqvs gamosacemi. leqsebi, eseebi, novelebi damigrovda. . . magram erTi Zalzed vrceli, marTlac mniSvnelovani Txzulebis gamocema, romelsac `paemani zecaSi~ hqvia, mtkivneulad mawevs sulze, igi gaxlavT literaturuli, mravalferovani JanriT, Tanazomierad gajerebuli mxatvruli monaTxrobi. nawarmoebis SesavalSive dominirebs epistolur-filosofiuri xasiaTis STambeWdavi msjeloba. romanSi vecnobiT georgievskis traqtatis Semdgomdroindeli epoqis viTarebas saqarTveloSi, samSoblodan gadaxvewil bagrationTa erT-erTi STamomavlis cxovrebas safrangeTSi. nawarmoebSi aseve aRwerilia saqarTveloSi arsebuli samoci taZris xuroTmoZRvreba, romlis Tanmdevia imdroindeli saqarTvelos itoriul-saxelmwifoebrivi, sasuliero da yofiTi cxovreba. TxzulebaSi gadmocemulia qarTveli da frangi xalxis adreuli saukuneebidan Tanamedroveobamde, ganviTarebuli megobruli, kulturuli, sarwmunoebrivi urTierTobebi.
– Semoqmeds mudam aqvs ekonomikuri simwire. ra xerxebs mimarTavT, rom axali nawarmoebi mkiTxvelma ixilos?
– aranair xerxebs ar daveZeb, verasodes vTxov sxvas, Tundac axlobel miliarders, fuliT damexmaros. Svilebi maimedeben, rom Tavad SeZleben, erTiani ZalisxmeviT, dedis guli gaaxaron. mjera maTi, vendobi da velodebi axlo momavalSi Tanadgomas.
– Tavisufal dros Svilebsa da SviliSvilebze zrunvas uTmobT Tu SemoqmedebiT saqmianobas?
– dros vanawileb, magram am asakSi, ZiriTadad, isini zrunaven Cemze. SviliSvilebi Cemi saukeTeso, Tbili, gulisxmieri megobrebi arian, vsaubrobT xelovnebaze, literaturaze. asaki ar gviqmnis aranair bariers urTierTobebSi. niWierebi, wignierebi arian. 13 wlis lazare saocrad mzrunveli, Tbili, mosiyvarule bavSvia, ufrosi – 18 wlis barTlome ukve Camoyalibebuli, daxvewili, zrdili, aseve mzrunveli pirovneba gaxlavT. am wels gaxda studenti, swavlobs germaniaSi. arc im Soreuli qveynidan aklebs bebos yuradRebasa da moferebas.
– raa mTavari, rom sxvisi guli gaaxaroT?
– gageba, siyvaruli, mofereba, da, rac mTavaria, adamians unda esaubro missave problemebze, rom man Tavi daculad, myudrod da komfortulad igrZnos Sens siTbosTan saimedod Sefarebulma.
– pirovneba, romelic Tanadgomisa da megobruli urTierTobebis nimuSad rCeba Tqveni cxovrebisa da Semoqmedebis gzaze?
– samwuxarod, ori sasufevlis binadaria, Tumca, me garkveviT vgrZnob maT Tanadgomas, azrebiT vesaubrebiT erTmaneTs. Cemi meuRle, uaxloesi, sulieri megobari, merabi. . . aseve Cemi uaxloesi, skolis, studentobis (vidre gardasvlamde), erTsulziari nana mefariSvili, qali enciklopedia, uniWieresi, uiSviaTesi, erTguli megobari, sulieri saydari.
– cxovrebis gzagasayarze rom idgeT, ra gzas airCevdiT?
– isev da isev, igives.
– ocneba, romlis asrulebas dRemde cdilobT?
– xatva, xatva da xatva.
– ra gaSinebT, ra gRliT da ra gezarebaT?
– maSinebs axloblebis dakargva nebismieri saxiT – gardacvalebiT, wyeniT, usamarTlobiT, uyuradRebobiT. . . . mRlis usaqmuroba. . . mezareba da autanelia CemTvis tyuili, gaiZveroba, erTi adamianis mier meoris Cagvra.
– xmauriani qalaqis sofelze gacvla Tu gicdiaT?
– rogor ara. guriaSi gvaqvs saxli, sadac mTeli ojaxi cxovrebis naxevars vatarebT. es aris samoTxe. Tumca, xSirad minatria, sadme Sors, svaneTis Tovlian mTebSi davsaxlebuliyavi. . .
– tkivili, romelic dRemde ver moineleT?
– Cemi axalgazrda, umSvenieresi daiko qeTevani. Cemi Svilebis mama, megobari, gulSematkivari – merabi. . . .
– romel qveyanaSi cxovrebas isurvebdiT?
– Tundac aTasjer movide amqveynad, yovel dabadebisas ieso qristes deduleTs avirCev samkvidrod, radgan Cemi maradiuli fesvebi aq, saqarTveloSia!
– dabolos, iqneb Tqveni sayvareli leqsiT dagvemSvidoboT?
– madloba am SemoTavazebisTvis. me vamayob Cemi mravalWirnaxuli aWariT.
aWareli
ufal – kaci, mze – mTvarisa,
ca – miwisa,
folad – mtkice, rval –
zniani, sul – mziani,
kuTxe Zveli, xalxi gamZle,
sicocxlis da
RvTis sadgomi aTaseul
welTa sivrcis,
kolxTa, lazTa guTnisdedis
fesvis Ziri
sagalobo, saruduno, saarako
mSvild-maxviliT, vaziT,
xariT, akvnis rweviT,
nasisxlari WoroxiT da
qristes rwmeniT.
