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`qarTuli enis centri~ stambolSi ukve rva welia, warmatebuli, nayofieri saqmianobiT gamoirCeva. sayuradReboa centris inovaciuri proeqtebi kulturis sferoSi. am centris damfuZnebeli gaxlavT TurqeTSi mcxovrebi Cveneburi – iSref ilmazi (goderZi maxaraZe), misi moadgile ki emigranti qalbatoni, poeti eka nadiraSvilia, romelsac axlaxan wlis warmatebuli xelovanis wodeba mieniWa da gadaeca diplomi. qalbaton ekasa da mis Tanamosaqmeebs samarTlianad miiCneven qarTuli kulturis despanebad TurqeTSi. swored maT gamorCeul saqmianobaze sasaubrod moviwvieT igi Cvens rubrikaSi
– qalbatono eka, Tqvens araerT jildos kidev erTi diplomi daemata _ `wlis lideri da warmatebuli persona~. gilocavT! es aRiarebaa, gviambeT amis Taobaze.
– mivesalmebi Tqvens mkiTxvels da movikiTxav didi pativiscemiT. Tvalyurs vadevneb Tqvens gazeTs, sakmaod saintereso masalas awvdiT mkiTxvels. rac Seexeba Cems jildoebs, axla gagacnobT: gavxdi 2021 wlis `persona~, xolo Semdeg 2022 wlis `personis~ bordis wevrad amirCies. . . am didebuli proeqtis avtori da xelmZRvaneli gaxlavT batoni soso kavkavaSvili. es didi pativi iyo CemTvis. ra Tqma unda, bednieri xar, rodesac Seni qveyana xedavs ucxo qveyanaSi Sens Rvawls. Aaseve, es jildo ufro mets mavalebs da stimulia, rom ufro meti gavakeTo Cemi qveynisTvis. axlaxan gadmomeca diplomi da jildo saRamoze, sadac rogorc TurqeTidan, iseve sxvadasxva qveynidan mowveuli iyvnen poetebi da warmatebuli xelovani adamianebi. `masmedia – wlis warmatebuli xelovani adamianebis dajildoeba~ – aq aseTi organizaciaa, romelic yovel wels gamoavlens rogorc Turq, aseve sxva erovnebis warmatebul warmomadgenlebs. am proeqtis xelmZRvaneli gaxlavT batoni gunduzi.
– qarTuli enis centri stambolSi, romlis direqtoris moadgile xarT, wlebis manZilze kulturis sferoSi mraval inovaciur proeqts axorcielebs. am proeqtebidan romels gamoarCevdiT mniSvnelobiT da masStaburobiT?
– diax, ukve oTxi welia gaxlavarT `qarTuli enis centris~ direqtoris moadgile. am periodis ganmavlobaSi Zalian mniSvnelovani Sexvedrebi da saRamoebi ganxorcielda `qarTuli enis centrSi~. araerTi cnobili poeti da gamorCeuli moRvawe moviwvieT da ulamazesi saRamoebic vaCuqeT stambolSi mcxovreb saqarTvelosa da TurqeTSi mcxovreb qarTvelebs. konkretulad ar gamovyof, vinmes guli ar etkinos. erTmaneTze saintereso saRamoebi iyo – saqarTveloze, qarTul enaze, Cvens did kulturul, istoriul warsulze gajerebuli. saintereso saubrebiT, samomavalo gegmebiT. am ori kviris win, poet naTia jimSeleiSvilis wignis prezentacia gavmarTeT. saRamo musikaluri nomriT gagvilamaza stumarma musikosma batonma gaga SoTaZem. dagegmili gvaqvs im emigrant qalbatonebTan Sexvedra, vinc emigrantul mZime yofasTan erTad ewevian SemoqmedebiT cxovrebas, wers, magaliTad, zogi ramdenime wignis avtoria, zogi mxatvaria, zogic – musikosi. Cven maT ulamazes RonisZiebas movuwyobT.
– sainteresoa TviT centris Seqmnis istoria. rogorc viciT, misi damfuZnebelia TurqeTSi mcxovrebi Cveneburi eSref ilmazi (goderZi maxaraZe), poeti, mTargmneli. . . gagvacaniT es keTilmoqmedi pirovneba. . .
– rva wlis winaT, sanam eSref ilmazi `qarTuli enis centrs~ daaarsebda, manamde `qarTuli kulturis centrs~ xelmZRvanelobda, romelic ramdenime Cveneburis erToblivi gadawyvetilebiT Seiqmna. `qarTuli enis centrSi~ misvlisas dagxvdebaT qarTuli suli, qarTuli biblioTeka, qarTveli klasikosebis fotoebiT gadaWedili kedeli. yvelaze mniSvnelovani, rac yuradRebas gansakuTrebiT imsaxurebs da miipyrobs, batoni goderZis qarTuli stumarTmoyvareobaa. igi gaxlavT poeti, mTargmneli, profesiiT Turqologia, aseve muSaobda stambolis saxelmwifo or universitetSi sxvadasxva dros leqtorad, leqciebs kiTxulobda qarTul enaze. mas uyvars Tavisi dedasamSoblo saqarTvelo da qarTvelebi. Zalian bevri gaakeTa da akeTebs, rom qarTuli kultura ar mieces daviwyebas ucxo miwaze, rom qarTuli kultura gaacnos megobar Turqebs. Cven erTad vxelmZRvanelobT ama Tu im RonisZiebas da gvaqvs saintereso gegmebi. vsargeblob SemTxveviT da yvela qarTvelis saxeliT, madlobas vuxdi Seufasebeli RvawlisTvis, rasac eweva wlebis ganmavlobaSi.
– enis centrSi TqvenTan erTad gulmodgined muSaoben adamianebi, romlebic mxarSi gidganan, daasaxeleT da daaxasiaTeT isini.
– erudirebuli adamianebiTaa dakompleqtebuli `qarTuli enis centri~, saTiTaod ar CamovTvli, romelime rom ar gamomrCes. yvelas madloba minda gadavuxado gverdiT dgomisaTvis, ai fotoreportiori ki unda warmovaCino, radgan is Cvens saRamoebze ukarges kadrebs iRebs da gvawvdis, Cveneburi qarTvelia. mokled, yvela gverdiT gvidgas. ,,qarTuli enis centris~ yvela wevri, pirvel rigSi, saukeTeso msmenelia.
– qarTuli kulturis despanebi TurqeTSi – ase uwodebT im Cveneburebs, qarTuli suliskveTebiTa da saqmianobiT rom gamoirCevian da periodulad acnobT sazogadoebas, modiT, axla gamoarCieT ramdenime da maT Sesaxeb mouTxreT Cvens mkiTxvels.
– diax, me daviwye axali proeqti, vwer TurqeTSi mcxovreb qarTvelebze, anu Cveneburebze, romlebsac vuwodeb qarTuli kulturis despanebs ucxo miwaze. isini yvelafers akeTeben imisTvis, rom qarTuli kultura, istoria ar mieces daviwyebas. ramdenime maTgans piradad vestumre, ganmacvifra maTma didebulma maspinZlobam, rac maT genetikur qarTvelobaze metyvelebs. viszec davwere, axla gagacnobT, eseni arian eSref ilmazi, qalbatoni hasibe ozqani `borCas~ asociaciis xelmZRvaneli, batoni mustafa ielqinji (giorgi diasamiZe) `megobrobis asociaciis~ Tavmjdomare, batoni mustafa iaquTi (guram ximSiaSvili). sul axlaxan masze, rogorc did Cveneburze, wignic daiwera, aseve, uRur zuboRluzec davwere, romelsac qarTuli kafe aqvs stambolis SuagulSi gaxsnili. kidev bevria gamorCeuli da etapobrivad davwer maT biografias da gamovaqveyneb. meamayeba es adamianebi, maT Semoinaxes qarTveloba ucxo miwaze da yvelafers akeTeben imisTvis, rom Tavis momavals gadascen tradiciebi, raTa gagrZeldes qarTuli kultura.
– poezia gitacebT, Tavadac werT leqsebs, aqveynebT, siyvaruliT gexmianebian mkiTxvelebi, ras etyodiT maT?
– me emigraciaSi daviwye leqsebis wera da Cemi leqsebi araerT Jurnal-gazeTsa Tu anTologiaSia dabeWdili, rac metad maxarebs da stimuls maZlevs. gansakuTrebiT maxarebs, rom Cemi leqsebi kompozitorebis da musikosebis STagonebis wyaro gaxda. axla Cemi leqsebis krebulis dabadebas veli, rogorc yvela Semoqmedi. igi stambolSi daibeWdeba da wignis prezentaciasac aq vapireb, Semdeg, albaT saqarTveloSi.
– uaxloes periodSi ra saxis kulturuli RonisZiebebi gaimarTeba, monawileebi vin iqnebian?
– `qarTuli enis centri~ amJamad proeqtze `emgrantebis tkivilebi~ muSaobs. TanaavtorobiT daibeWdeba wigni, romelSic mxolod msoflios yvela kuTxeSi mimofantuli qarTveli poetebi da mwerlebi gamoaqveyneben TavianT `nawarmoebebs. muSaoba ukve dasasruls uaxlovdeba da am wigns `qarTuli enis centri~ sakuTari TanxebiT beWdavs. sul male misi prezentacia gaimarTeba stambolSi. zogadad, Cven TveSi erTxel vgegmavT ama Tu im saRamos. vapirebT, rom stambolSi qarTveli emigranti poetebi, mxatvrebi, musikosebi moviwvioT da dauviwyari SemoqmedebiTi saRamo vaCuqoT erTmaneTs, es rogorc wyali da haeri ise gvWirdeba dRes yvela emigrants. ianvrisTvis grandiozuli saRamoa dagegmili.
– Tqveni centri saqarTvelodan Camosuli araerTi cnobili pirovnebis guliTadi maspinZelia. . . vin iyvnen da arian isini, vis gamoarCevdiT maTSi da riT iyo mniSvnelovani es Sexvedrebi?
– saqarTvelodan Camosuli poeti naTia jimSeleiSvilis wignis prezentacia gvqonda sul axlaxan, romelic musikalurad gaaforma musikosma, italiologma, batonma zaza SoTaZem. ulamazesi saRamo iyo da yvela kmayofili darCa. Aaseve `qarTuli enis centrma~ amaswinaT umaspinZla mecnierTa da poetTa jgufs, erekle saRliani darCa kidec CvenTan. es lamazi RonisZieba movawyveT Cvenive wevrTan, pianist neli afciaurTan erTad. samomavlo gegmebic daisaxa.
– rogorc akademia `gvirilas~ oficialur warmomadgenels TurqeTSi, didi wvlili SegaqvT ori qveynis kulturuli urTierTobis gaRrmavebaSi. . . esec sainteresoa Cveni mkiTxvelisaTvis. . .
– diax, gaxlavarT stambolSi akademia `gvirilas~ da asociaciis `saqarTvelos warmatebuli qalbatonebi~ warmomadgeneli, aseve, jumber leJavas saxelobis saerTaSoriso mravalprofiliani akademiis sruluflebiani wevri. es yovelive mavalebs, rac SeiZleba meti gavakeTo qarTuli kulturisTvis ucxo miwaze. `gvirilas~ akademia 30 welia, rac arsebobs. sakmaod cnobili da reitinguli akade-miaa saqarTveloSi, misi xelmZRvanelia qalbatoni erna wifuria. qarTuli kulturis dReebi – aseTi formulirebiT CavatarebT stambolSi grandiozul RonisZiebas momavali wlis ianvarSi, romelsac me vxelmZRvanelob. vimedovneb, rom erToblivi ZalebiT sruli anSlagiT gaimarTeba.
– Turme stambolSi eTnikuri qarTvelebi samewarmeo saqmianobaSic ki qarTul kvals aRbeWdaven. . . maT Cvenc siamovnebiT gavecnobodiT.
– eTnikur qarTvel uRur zuboRlus Suagul stambolSi aqvs gaxsnili qarTuli kafe, sadac amzadeben qarTul kerZebs, aseve aWarul xaWapurs, xinkals, imerul xaWapurs da qarTul limonaTs, borjomsac mogarTmeven. es pirovneba suliT xorcamde qarTvelia da yvelafers akeTebs, rom qarTuli samzareulo, kultura Turq xalxs gaacnos.
– stambolSi ukve wlebia cxovrobT da moRvaweobT. axla saqarTveloSi cxovreba gaixseneT. . . gagvacaniT Tqveni ojaxi, uaxloesi adamianebi.
– me surameli var, araCveulebrivi bavSvoba mqonda, uzrunveli. . . gavizarde qarTul tradiciul ojaxSi, madloba Cems mSoblebs amisTvis. adamianuri Tvisebebi Cemi mSoblebisgan momdgas. musikaluri ojaxidan gaxlavarT, bebia araCveulebrivad ukravda gitaraze da mReroda, Svilebs – mamaCems da or biZas musikisadmi siyvaruli misgan gamohyvaT. xelovnebisadmi siyvaruli ojaxidan momyveba, vukrav gitaraze, bavSvobidanve miyvarda poezia, mravali klasikosis leqsebi vicodi zepirad. sami Svili vyavdiT mSoblebs, bednierad vizrdebodiT. davamTavre suramis meore saSualo skola, Semdeg Cavabare cxinvalis pedagogiur institutSi, davamTavre istoriis fakulteti. myavs ori Svili, rusudani da aleko, orive daojaxebulia, ori SviliSviliT var mdidari – daniT da saniT, romlebic sicocxles mixangrZliveben. Cemi emigraciaSi wamosvla ganapiroba sayvareli mamis 50 wlis asakSi avtokatastrofiT gardacvalebam. ager ukve TxuTmeti welia, emigranti var, emigraciaSi daviwye leqsebis wera, Svilebis, qveynis monatrebam ganmawyo saamisod. leqsebi – esaa Cemi sulis, gulis amoZaxili.
– axali weli axlovdeba, saaxalwlo survilebis kalaTaSi ras CaawyobdiT da gamougzavnidiT Tanamemamuleebs?
– movikiTxav Cems sayvarel samSoblos didi siyvaruliT, damdegi Soba-axali weli siyvarulis, simSvidis, sixarulis weli yofiliyos yvelasaTvis. dRes, rogorc arasdros, ise gvWirdeba erTmaneTis siyvaruli, mxolod siyvaruli gadagvarCens. dae, 2023 wels mTeli msofliosTvis moetanos mSvidoba. minda dadges is dro, roca arcerTi emigranti aRar eyoleba Cems qveyanas. guliTadi mokiTxva Cems Tanamemamuleebs, Cems Tanamodardeebs da Tanamoazreebs, unda gavZlierdeT sakuTari TavisTvis, erTmaneTisTvis, qveynisTvis!
