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irma kekeliZe dRvanis sajaro skolis pedagogia. wlebia SemoqmedebiT saqmianobas eweva. mis leqsebs mkiTxveli perioduli presiT icnobs. irma axlaxans gamarTuli saqarTvelos folkloris erovnuli festivalis nominantia. aRiareba zepirsityvierebaSi moipova. igi Cveni stumaria.
– qalbatono irma, axlandeli festivalis mizani ra iyo?
– festivali yovelTvis zeimTan asocirdeba, sadResaswaulo ganwyobas qmnis. Sesabamisad, idea, dedaazri da mizanic aris is, rom analogiurma festivalebma uzrunvelyos kulturisa da SemoqmedebiTi seqtoris waxaliseba, aramaterialuri kulturis SenarCuneba da popularizacia. aseTi farTomasStabiani festivali, romelic dedaqalaqSi gaimarTa, pirvelia.
– didma folkloristma eTer TaTaraiZem gamogarCiaT. Suaxevidan dawyebuli urTierToba Tu grZeldeba?
– folkloris SesarCevi turi SuaxevSi rom imarTeboda, kulturis centris maSindeli direqtoris maka makaraZis TxovniT wavikiTxe leqsi, romelmac imTaviTve Jiuris mowoneba daimsaxura. qalbatoni eTer TaTariZis da Cemi urTierTobac im dRidan daiwyo da dRemde grZeldeba, ra Tqma unda, profesiuli TvalsazrisiT.
– zepirsityvierebaSi Jiurim 13 konkursants mousmina. maTgan romeli dagamaxsovrdaT?
– TbilisSi, TumaniSvilis TeatrSi ukve saprizo adgilze gasuli konkursantebi warvsdeqiT, Sesabamisad, TiToeulis gamosvla iyo TavisTavadi, yvela maTgans Tavisi niSa hqonda, rogorc individualur Semsruleblebs, aseve ansamblebs. gansakuTrebulad veravis gamovarCev.
– karapeti da dRvani is soflebia, sadac qarTul sityvas, erovnul adaT-wesebs, folklors gamorCeulad eferebian. . .
– soflebSi folkloris margalitebi ufroa Semonaxuli. folkloris mesveurnic xom sofel-sofel dadian maT Sesagroveblad. yvela sofels hyavs koloriti adamianebi folkloris mimarTulebiT da sxvadasxva SesaZleblobiT. Cems SemoqmedebaSic SeiniSneba soflis gavlena, radgan yvela leqss laitmotivad gasdevs soflis, mTis siyvaruli da migraciis gamo gamowveuli sinanuli. magaliTad:
dailocos soflis madli, misi miwa
da gamCeni,
xalxo, Cven varT, mxolod Cven varT
mTis da soflis gadamrCeni,
gaumarjos Cems mTasa da mis ubadlo
bunebas,
masze fiqri sul misworebs xasiaTs
da gunebas.
an kidev: maxsendeba guSinari, Rardi,
seris gverdebi,
nayoravze – gogoebTan moyolili
derdebi.
– leqsi, romelic festivalis daskvniT RonisZiebaze waradgineT. . .
hoida nana, ohoi nana,
Seicvala es qveyana,
ori buki Zroxa myavs da
bostnisxela Wala-yana.
traqtorebis cvena aris,
ra mesmis da ra devnaxe,
farcxi, jilRa da guTani,
aRarc maxsovs, ha Sevnaxe..
xarmac, qalmac Sveba naxa
da sofeli gaxda kargi,
qalaqs wasvla gedevfiqre,
aRara maqvs afris dardi.
zemodanac gadmogvxedes,
kargi saqme mogvigvares,
asfalti da betonis gza
kibeebTan mogviyvanes.
yvela ojaxs manqana hyavs,
zogs – jipi, zogs – opelio,
halvasaviT gagemrelda,
dalocvili sofelio.
– ojaxis rolze ras ityviT?
– ojaxi patara saxelmwifoa, rac ufro idiliuri urTierTobebia ojaxSi, miT ufro advilia niWis realizeba. Tu situacia daZabulia socialuri an ekonomikuri TvalsazrisiT, Semoqmedeba ukana planze iwevs da mTavari am problemebis mogvarebaa da ara `leqsebisa da miniaturebis jRabna~. amitom, vfiqrob, ojaxs didi roli da mniSvneloba aqvs Semoqmedebis gamravalferovnebisTvis. madloba ufals, maqvs ojaxisagan xelSewyoba da Tanadgoma, rom Cems leqsebs mivce farTo asparezi.
– rogorc vici, krebulis gamocemas apirebT. wigns rogor daasaTaurebT?
– wignis saTaurs rac Seexeba, aucileblad sofelTan da mTasTan iqneba dakavSirebuli, raRac TvalsazrisiT axsnis mis simyudrovesa da simSvenieres. CemTvis orive sofeli – karapeti da dRvani mniSvnelovania. erTi Cemi gamzrdelia, meoreSi samudamo gansasvenebeli unda vpovo.
– cxel gulze an dardmoreuls leqsi Tu dagiweriaT?
– damSvidebuli, civi gonebiT mxolod iumoristul leqsebs vwer. danarCeni TiTqmis cxel gulzea dawerili. erTi leqsic zustad ase iwyeba:
am civ dRes da am cxel gulze leqss
dagiwer, Svilo,
CemTvis mudam patarav da CemTvis
mudam Cvilo,
mTvaresaviT naTelo da mzis sxiviviT
Tbilo,
xan – jiuto, xan – Tavnebav, xan –
uzadod zrdilo.
– ori studenti Svilis dedas, maTsaviT romeli leqsi giyvarT?
– yvelaze metad isev maTze dawerili leqsebi miyvars. maTi dabadebis bednierebam rom STamagona. esenia: `pirveli Svili patara ana~ da `meore Svili Cemi miSiko~.
– varami, romelic irma kekeliZis muzis Tanmdevia. . .
– Cemi varami da ara marto Cemi, isev da isev migraciaa. gamoketili saxlebi, Camqrali sakvamurebi, gadarazuli WiSkrebi. . . erT leqsSi miweria:
saxlebs uke ZaRlis nacvlad,
boqlom(eb)i darajobs.
mamlis yivilic ukve aqa-iq ismis da yvelaze cudi rac aris, ubnebSi ori an sami bavSvia darCenili, rac erTi-orad auferulebs sofels da guls gvtkens uZlur Wirisufals.
– SarJebic gaqvT. adresatebi xom ar ginawyendebian?
– saTqmels ise vambob, rom arc mwvadi davwva da arc Samfuri. iumoris moyvaruli adamiani gamigebs, `fsevdokritikosi~ ki mainc naxavs raime xelCasaWids gasakicxad. mTavari mainc isaa, rasac guliT grZnob da TvaliT xedav, is realoba dawero. vinmes saameblad, gulis gasaxarad dawerili, sikeTes ver moitans.
– damdurebuli adresatis Semorigebisas kafia Tu gamogiyenebiaT?
– Semorigebis ar maxsendeba, radgan damdurebasac ver vixseneb, magram sxva datvirTviT Zalian bevri kafia damiweria. gansakuTrebulad maxsendeba imerel megobarTan `Widili~ – me Cems kuTxes, sufrasa da adaT-wesebs vasxamdi xotbas, is ki Tavisas. Zalian saxaliso gamovida, romelic man erTad Sekra da socialur qselSi postis saxiT ganaTavsa. didi mowoneba da Tbili komentarebic daimsaxura mkiTxvelebisgan.
– pirveli leqsis Semfasebeli Tu gaxsendebaT?
– pirveli leqsi mTaSi davwere, roca memTeurad wasul dedas vaxldi. iumoristuli iyo. maxsovs, rogor uxaroda dedas da uyveboda mezoblebs amis Sesaxeb. aman ufro gamaTamama da momca stimuli. Sesabamisad, dedas vukiTxavdi pirvelad, is iyo Cemi pirveli Semfasebeli. asakis matebasTan erTad leqsebSi satrfialo lirikamac rom iCina Tavi, Cemi mkiTxvelebi da Semfaseblebi ufro megobrebi gaxdnen.
– nodar, Tamaz, noSrevan, Saqro, nadia futkaraZeebis saxiT dRvans zepirsityvierebis, folkloris ostatebi hyavda. Tqven maT gzas agrZelebT?
– yvela gamorCeuli iyo Tavisi individualobiT. zogs vicnobdi, zogierTze – gadmocemiT vici. mizanmimarTulad ara, magram saerTo jamSi, Cemi Semoqmedeba erTgvari gagrZelebaa imisa, rac dRvanSi mcxovrebi adamianebis Tanmdevi niWia.
– poeti qali, deda, ra mesijs gaugzavni ukrainel dedebsa da kolegebs?
– aleqsandre yazbegis sityvebs moviSvelieb: `erTxel naSobi erTxel mokvdebis, magram ise unda mokvde, xevs Seni damarxva ar eTakilebodes~. Cemi gzavnilic es aris. sanam pirSi suli udgaT, daixarjon profesiuli TvalsazrisiT, ar dakargon imedi da istoriis furclebs SemorCnen rogorc Zlieri, mebrZoli, Tavisi qveynis, samSoblos moyvarulni, damcvelni, romlebmac kargad ician Tavisuflebis fasi. samarTalma unda izeimos. boroteba unda damarcxdes. stereotipi ruseTis uZlevelobis Sesaxeb unda daimsxvres. simravle yovelTvis ver sZlevs simamaces, xandaxan piriqiT xdeba. mec amis imedi maqvs.
– skola, ojaxi, sazogadoebrivi aqtivoba did dros garTmevT. leqsisTvis rodis icliT?
– roca muza Semogawveba da raRacis dawera mTeli guliT mogindeba, am dros frTaSesxmuli, amaRlebul ganwyobaze da sixaruliT pirTamde savse xar. SegiZlia miatovo yvela saqme, ganmartovde da leqsis pwkarebi saTuTad gadaitano furcelze. amisTvis dros yovelTvis vpoulob, mniSvneloba ar aqvs, dRea Tu Rame, ubralod, ganmartoeba mWirdeba. zogjer muza gamqcevia RameSi, radgan `daupatiJebel stumars~ kalami da furceli ver davaxvedre, sawolidan wamodgoma ki damzarebia. axla Wkua viswavle da sasTumalTan midevs, radgan roca mewveva, `gavumaspinZlde~ da ukan ar gavabruno dauxarjavad.
– prozauli nawarmoebis Targmna SedarebiT iolia, magram poezias Tu ar gauge . . .
– gaaCnia mTargmnels. rezo TabukaSvilsa da aleqsandre elerdaSvils aqvT naTargmni Seqspiris erTi da igive sonetebi, romelic erTi meoreze ukeTesia. darwmunebuli var, originalSi ar iqneba iseTi riTmuli da ritmuli striqonebi, rogorc qarTulad naTargmnSia, gulis siRrmemde rom Cagwvdeba, erTi wakiTxva wyurvils rom ver mogiklavs da meored daewafebi wyaros wyaliviT.
– poets materialurad uzrunvelyofili cxovreba ar aqvs. wignis gamocemas sakuTari xarjebiT apirebT Tu. . .
– zedmetma Tavmoyvareobam is Sedegi momitana, rom dRes krebulis gareSe var. didi ojaxis patronma Tavi ver movuyare saWiro Tanxas, TxovniT ki aravis mivmarTe. bolo dros erTma Wkvianma adamianma ase damakvaliana, `Tu bavSvi ar itirebs, deda ZuZusac ar miscemso~. . . mec davfiqrdi: iqneb Rirs vinmes Sewuxeba? qvelmoqmedeba didi niWia da amasTanave, didi madli. iqneb gamoCndes vinme am niWis matarebeli da madliT gaciskrovndes.
– sul male axali weli Semoabijebs dedamiwaze. Tqveni survilebi?
– pirvel rigSi, mSvidoba minda vusurvo mTel msoflios. Cemi samSoblosTvis igi gaerTianebis, simSvidis, winsvlis, sikeTisa da siuxvis weli yofiliyos. goneba gagvinaTos ufalma da swori gziT gvataros, Torem didi ilia WavWavaZisa ar iyos: `Cven win uzarmazari Txrilia, sakmarisia erTi xelis kvra da dedabudianad Sig gadaviCexebiT~. amitom Tvalebze xelebs nu vifarebT, yurebs nu vixSobT da nu velodebiT saswaulebs, yvelam Cveni wili gaviRoT ukeTesi qveynis Sesaqmnelad. `sxva ra giTxraT, riT gagaxaroT?~
