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saTaurad gamotanili es fraza mravalmxriv Semoqmed nana momceliZis cxovrebis mTvari principi da maxasiaTebelia. poeti, mxatvari, Jurnalisti, Jurnal `xatimamulis~ mTavari redaqtori da gamomcemeli, tv-12-is saavtoro programis wamyvani. . . – es arasruli CamonaTvalia misi mravalferovani saqmianobisa, rasac didi siyvaruliTa da pasuxismgeblobiT ekideba. swored amis dasturi iyo amas winaT aWaris mweralTa saxlSi gamarTuli nana momceliZis SemoqmedebiTi saRamo, sadac mas moRvaweobisTvis sapatio diplomi da saCuqrebi gadasces, guliTadi madloba gadauxades.
– qalbatono nana, zamTaric dadga da. . . meramdened SeegebeT mas? Tqveni bavSvobisa da axalgazrdobis zamTrebic gaixseneT.
– mogesalmebiT, Zvirfasebo. udidesi madloba mowvevisTvis. ormocdameTormete zamTars moveswari. ise gadavabije naxevar saukunes, verc mivxvdi. marTlac, `wuTia wuTisofeli~. Cemi bavSvobis da axalgazrdobis zamTari, gind – daijereT, gind – ara, zafxuliviT iyo – Tbili da mosiyvarule. mixaroda Tovlic da yinvac, sxva sixalise iyo. axla rom vadareb, zamTari civia, civi – yvela aspeqtiT.
– rodis ainTo sulSi sanTeli, Tvali da yuri ram miipyro, ram gibiZgaT Semoqmedebisaken?
– albaT xuTi wlidan. . . maxsovs, rogor miyvarda Zerwva, aplikaciebis keTeba, Cemi bebo rogor maswavlida yaisnaRiT qsovas. Zalian lamazi bebo myavda, Tvalis eqimi iyo. ukravda gitaraze, mReroda, qsovda. albaT bebia iyo is adamiani, fSaveli qali (vaJa-fSavelas axlo naTesavi mamis mxridan), romelsac vbaZavdi. bevri ram SemiZlia gavixseno. TbilisSi davibade – naxalovkaSi. es iyo siyvarulis da urTierTobis ubani. ulamazesi ezo gvqonda, Robeze – vardebiT. maxsovs, erTxel rogor davacale vardebs furclebi da mTeli ezo movxate. davxate saxlebi, yvavilebi da, ra vici, kidev ra. mere rom Sevxede furcelgaclil vardebs, maxsovs, rogor vtirodi da bodiSs vuxdidi maT. albaT eqvsi wlis viqnebodi maSin. aTi wlisam pirveli leqsi davwere da dRemde maxsovs. maisis bolo iyo. Tavsxma wvima movida. ratomRac saxlSi. . . botebi mecva. Cvens ezoSi alubali yvaoda. wvimis mere mze rom gamovida, leqsi davwere:
`CvenTan ayvavda alublis xe da
mze anaTebda am xis totebSi.
davixede da, ui, ras vxedav –
ar davbajbajeb isev botebSi?!~.
waikiTxa bebom da axlac yurSi mesmis misi xma: `bebo, Sen poeti xar~. maSin sul ar mesmoda, ra miTxra, magram dRemde maxsovs.
– mravalmxrivi Semoqmedi brZandebiT – werT, xatavT Teqaze, xatmweri xarT, mReriT, Jurnals gamoscemT. . . da mainc, sad SeZeliT Tqveni sulis gansaxovneba?
– Cemi mokrZalebuli Semoqmedeba xalxisaa, Cemi mosiyvarule adamianebis. maTTan urTierTobiT vcocxlob. iciT, roca vxatav, vwer, vmReri, yovelTvis minda, sxvam isiamovnos, Cems sulTan axlos movides. xatwera sul sxva garemoa CemTvis – raRac araamqveyniuri. Tu vxedav, Cem garSemo sicarielea, raRac sxvanairi leqsebi mewereba. usiyvaruloba mTrgunavs:
`yofna SiSis da umweobis
fragmentad iqca,
sityva da azri gaucxovda,
gadasxvaferda
da uzneobam dasabami siZulvils
misca,
suli ki amden foriaqSi uceb
daberda~.
amitom Cems sulier simSvides sazogadoebasTan urTierTobaSi, maT siyvarulSi veZeb da vxedav.
– SemoqmedebasTan erTad nayofieri sazogadoebrivi saqmianobiTac gamoirCeviT. uambeT mkiTxvels amis Sesaxeb.
– ori welia, rac aWaraSi vmoRvaweob da minda giTxraT, rom saocari xalxi xarT. Cem garSemo Tavi moiyara iseTma sazogadoebam, vis gverdiTac yofna saocneboa. Cemi sazogadoebrivi saqmianobis ZiriTadi mizani aWaris da dedaqalaqis mWidro megobruli kavSiria. uamravi saRamo maqvs Catarebuli am ori wlis ganmavlobaSi. viwvev xelovan adamianebs, aqedanac CavdivarT TbilisSi. Zalian mexmarebian Cemi megobrebi aqac da iqac. Cemi `zRvarelebi~ – yovelTvis Cem gverdiT arian. vcdilob, JurnaliT `xatimamuli~ saqarTvelos masStabiT popularizacia gavuwio aWaraSi xelovanTa da sazogado moRvaweTa amouwurav armias, aRmovaCino axalbeda margalitebi, esoden mravlad rom aris aWaraSi, gavixseno amagdari adamianebi, vinc safuZveli Cauyara ama Tu im mimarTulebas da, kidev da kidev, siyvaruliT gajerdes es urTierTobebi.
– rogorc Jurnal `xatimamulis~ mTavar redaqtorsa da gamomcemels, bevri ram geqnebaT saTqmeli mkiTxvelisTvis.
– es Jurnali Cemi Svilia. uzomod miyvars. mogexsenebaT, dRes beWdur medias emsaxuro, Zalian rTulia – bevri barieris gadalaxva miwevs. yofila SemTxveva, Cemi naxati gamiyidia da stambaSi wamiRia, magram nel-nela vdgebiT fexze. esaa 200-gverdiani literaturul-SemecnebiTi almanaxi, romelic axali wlidan weliwadSi eqvsjer gamova. vfiqrobT momavalSi saerTaSoriso standartebamde mivideT. Jurnalis gamorCeuli niSania is, rom misi garekani daeTmoba aWaris im mxatvarTa namuSevrebs, romlebsac saiubileo TariRi SeusruldebaT. Jurnali saqarTvelos masStabiT vrceldeba. gvaqvs Zalian bevri saintereso rubrika. vafarToebT urTierTobebs, vgegmavT konkursebs, prezentaciebs, saRamoebs. gegma bevria. vnaxoT, ra gamogviva.
– jumber leJavas saxelobis saerTaSoriso mecnierebaTa akademiis vice-prezidentoba rom mogandes da aWaraSi mis filials xelmZRvanelobT, cxadia, SemTxveviTi ar aris.
– akademiis vice-prezidentoba Cemi meuRlis – niaz civaZis iniciativa iyo. man SesTavaza prezidents, aWaraSi gaxsniliyo filiali, raTa ar vyofiliyavi sazogadoebrivi saqmianobis gareSe. axla rasac vityvi, arsad miTqvams, magram minda gulwrfeli viyo. sazogadoebis didi nawili sakmaod uaryofiTad uyurebs esoden momravlebul akademiebs. Cemi muSaobis stili, garkveulwilad, Sevcvale. prezidiumis SeqmniT mindoda meCvenebina, rom akademiaSi ganurCevlad yvelas miReba miuRebelia. es wodebebi damsaxurebis mixedviT unda eZleodeT, ar SeiZleba akademikosis statusebis ase darigeba. Aaseve radikalurad vemijnebi mosazrebas, rom sawevros erTjeradi SenataniT unda arsebobdes akademia. ase namdvilad ver ganviTardeba. me msurda Tanamedrove da qveynisTvis saWiro proeqtebSi Cabma da Zal-Rones ar daviSurebdi amisTvis. mxolod piariTa da saRamoebiT akademiis ganviTareba swori ar mgonia. yvela is wevri, romelic gverdiT medga da uzarmazari saxeli moutanes akademias, TbilisTan asocirdeba. diplomebi gaicema TbilisSi. me ar vflob aranair sapasuxismgeblo pozicias akademiis ganviTarebisTvis. muSaobis aseTi stili sruliad uxelfasod, raSiac perspeqtivas ver vxedav, CemTvis miuRebelia. Tavad akademias uzarmazari istoria aqvs. mas saTaveSi udgas Zalian kargi xelmZRvaneli da inteligenciis didi armia, magram Cemi xedva sxvaa, amitom miviRe gadawyvetileba da akademia davtove. aWaris warmomadgenlobis wevrebTan ki mWidro kavSiri aqvs prezidents da gaagrZelebs im kurss, rac mas aqvs aRebuli.
– baTumSi sul ori welia, cxovrobT. popularuli xarT – Sexvedrebi, saRamoebi, RonisZiebebi. . . axlaxan aWaris mweralTa saxlSi SemoqmedebiT saRamoze diplomic gadmogces, araerTi jildo migiRiaT. . . es stimulia TqvenTvis Tu gazrdili pasuxismgebloba?
– rTuli kiTxvaa imitom, rom arc ki vici, ra gipasuxoT. bevri weli vkiTxulobdi leqciebs, mqonda saintereso SemoqmedebiTi cxovreba. didi dro araa, xuTi welia, rac saqarTvelos mweralTa da mxatvarTa SemoqmedebiTi kavSirebis wevri var. amirCies akademiis prezident gulnaz xaraiSvilis rekomendaciiT. is dRe CemTvis sxva samyaro iyo. verc vacnobierebdi, ra xdeboda Cems Tavs. guram cercvaZesa da mayvala gonaSvils Soris gaognebuli vijeqi. udides siyvaruls vgrZnobdi maTgan. dRemde meuxerxuleba. sazogadoebis erTi nawili Tvlis, rom zedmetia es yuradReba, rom ar mekuTvnoda. . . ana kalandaZis premiam ki Zalian bevri sanerviulo momitana, magram minda icodes sazogadoebam – me yvela jildos da premias viReb siyvarulis gamoxatulebad, pasuxad Cemi uzarmazari siyvarulisa, rac xelovnebisadmi da maT mimarT maqvs. 25 noembers aWaris mweralTa saxlSi batonma daviT TedoraZem ulamazesi saRamo momiwyo, jildoc gadmomca da saCuqrebic. es CemTvis siyvaruli, pativiscema, uzarmazari pasuxismgeblobaa. marTali giTxraT, ufro vnerviulob, vidre vamayob.
– Tqvens warmatebebs, sakuTari Tavis garda, vis umadliT? amboben, rom mxarSi meuRle gidgaT. . .
– aki aRvniSne, rom aWaraSi Cemi Camosvla meuRles ukavSirdeba. ori welia, jvari daviwereT. dasawyisSi umZimesi periodi gaviareT – Cemma meuRlem dakarga samsaxuri, biznesi, nerviulobis niadagze mwvave infarqtiT moxvda saavadmyofoSi. faqtobrivad, eqvsi Tve umZimes mdgomareobaSi aRmovCndi. aravisTvis migrZnobinebia, ra mWirda. qiriT, Semosavlis gareSe, ucxo garemoSi. . . Cems asakSi es Zalian rTulia, magram Cems Tavs vuTxari, rom waqcevis ufleba ar maqvs da bolomde unda vibrZolo. madloba RmerTs, meuRle mdgomareobidan gamovida. is Rirseuli kacia da mjera, yvela dabrkolebas gadalaxavs. uzarmazari ndoba maqvs mis mimarT. erTad vakeTebT yvelafers. erTi wuTiT ar mcildeba gverdidan da udides mxardaWeras vgrZnob misgan. saerTod, Zalian mZime cxovreba gaviare. 16 weli qvrivi viyavi. gadatanili maqvs ori umZimesi operacia xerxemalze. myavs erTi Svili, rZali da SviliSvili – Cemi nuciko. raRac Zalian gulwrfeli var SenTan, iseT detalebze visaubre, rac arasodes miTqvams.
– gzagasayarze bevri adamiani gvxvdeba. zogi naTel kvals aRbeWdavs, zogic – piriqiT. am dros sulieri wonasworobis SenarCunebisaTvis ra aris arsebiTi, anu rogor unda gavZlierdeT pirovnulad?
– roca warmatebuli gqvia, mteric bevri gyavs. bevrjer usvriaT daumsaxureblad talaxi. gulSi ganvicdi, bevrjer mitiria kidec, magram pasuxi ar gamicia. minda, siyvaruli viswavloT. Cems arakeTilmosurneebs SemiZlia Cavexuto, siTbo da keTilganwyoba SevTavazo, bevrma isargebla Cemi adamianuri midgomiT uaryofiTad magram siyvaruli, simarTle da erTguleba mniSvnelovania. usiyvaruloba, boRma, Suri isev maT daangrevs. Zalian cota xans vcxovrobT da nu SevWamT erTmaneTs. esaa mTavari CemTvis:
`sadac siwminde sulze zeimobs,
sadac ufali Cemi RmerTia.
sadac simarTle da erTguleba,
saWiroa da erTaderTia~.
– xelovans sxvisi tkivilis, mwuxarebis Tu sixarulis gancda sxvaze aRmatebulad unda SeeZlos, sxvas rom SeeSvelos. bevrisTvis es aqsiomaa, TqvenTvis?
– saerTod, Zalian mikvirs, xelovani xelovans rom lanZRavs. es miuRebelia. xelovneba CemTvis sulis nawilia, romelsac adamianebs vandob. Znelia, sulSi rom gafurTxeben. piriqiT, sxvisi warmateba unda gixarodes. iciT, ra kargia Tavisufali suli? Zalian bevri adamianis rekomendatori vyofilvar da bevri gamixarebia. es mabednierebs.
– Tema, problema, romelic yvelaze metad gaRelvebT.
– usiyvaruloba, Suri da gautanloba.
– avtobiografiis dawera rom gTxovoT, rogor daiwyebdiT?
– me var qarTveli ulamazesi saqarTvelodan.
– Tqvens Tvalsawierze Cans. . .
– Zalian bevri gaWirvebuli adamiani, romelTac Svela sWirdebaT da bevri emigranti. es Zalian mawuxebs.
– SesaZlebeli rom iyos, romel istoriul gmirs gamoixmobdiT warsulidan da ratom?
– daviT aRmaSenebels, romelic Teqvsmeti wlisa avida taxtze, ocdaTeqvsmeti weli imefa da saqarTvelo gaamTliana `nikofsiidan darubandamde~. aseTi reformatori sWirdeba saqarTvelos.
– mcneba, romlis darRveva dauSveblad migaCniaT.
– yvela, ra Tqma unda, magram ase ver vcxovrob. yvelaze mTavari mainc mecxre mcnebaa – `ara cili swamo moyvassa Sensa wamebiTa cruiTa~ da yovelTvis vcdilob mis dacvas. raRac gansakuTrebulad maqvs gacnobierebuli am mcnebis Sinaarsi.
– roca respondentebs esaubrebiT, yvelaze xSirad ra kiTxvas usvamT? sakuTar Tavs ras hkiTxavdiT axla?
– axla axali amplua movirge. Cemma megobarma, tv-12-is generalurma direqtorma jemal megreliZem, vinc uzarmazari roli iTamaSa aWaraSi Cems damkvidrebaSi, mimiwvia saavtoro gadacemebSi da Jurnalistobas maswavlis. ra gamova Cemgan, jer ar vici. ise. . . respondents gaaCnia, kiTxvac Sesabamisad Cndeba. . . ase ver gamovyof, Cems Tavs ki vkiTxavdi – var Rirsi sazogadoebisgan aseTi siyvarulisa?
– roca baTumis quCebSi dadixarT. . .
– Tavisuflebaaa!!!
– axali weli modis. . . saaxalwlo kalaTaSi CaawyveT survilebi da gamougzavneT Cvens mkiTxvelebs.
– minda, mogilocoT damdegi axali weli. gamogigzavnoT: xvavi, baraqa, sixaruli, siyvaruli, simSvide, bedniereba, winsvla da saqarTvelos gabrwyineba.
`axali weli
naqaral xeebs axali wlis Rame
arxevda,
cidan wamosul fantelebad
cekvavda qari,
yvelas gulebSi survilebis
guda daberda,
swored am Rames igonebda, ra
hqonda vali.
axali weli Zvel tkivilebs
saxels arqmevda,
mimodioda, iviwyebda
mtkivneul wuTebs,
axlis surviliT da gancdebiT
oTaxs arbevda
da survilebis xurjinidan
tovebda burTebs.
survilis burTi, feriT lurji erTi mec mergo da momavali
Cavifiqre fexbednieri,
axalo welo, saqarTvelos,
gTxov, wamlad ergo,
Cemi qveyana, gTxov, amyofe sul
bednieri.
aRar atkino dafleTili mZime
sxeuli,
aRar atiro sacodavi qarTveli
deda,
axalo welo, gagviTene dila
Cveuli
da mters damarTe siyvaruli,
gahyare bneda.
axalo welo, mogvitane sikeTe
qveynad,
rom samSobloSi aRaravis
Siodes ase,
axalo welo, gelodebiT
yvelani erTxmad,
imedebiT da siyvaruliT
bolomde savse~.
