2022 წლის პოლიტიკური მოზაიკა, ანუ რა საკითხები იყო აქტუალური საქართველოსა და მსოფლიოში
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tradiciulad, wlis bolos yvela cdilobs Seajamos ganvlili periodi, gaaanalizos politikuri movlenebi da obieqturad Seafasos arsebuli realoba, kerZod, ra mniSvnelovani sakiTxebi gaxda gansjis sagani, ra aspeqtebi iyo aqtualuri da samomavlod ras unda velodoT saSinao da sagareo politikis TvalsazrisiT? swored amis Taobaze gvesaubreba sajaro mmarTvelobis doqtori, bsu-is leqtori giga fartenaZe.
– Tavdapirvelad saSinao politikaze visaubroT, 2022 weli saqarTvelosTvis, politikuri TvalsazrisiT, riT iyo gamorCeuli?
– mivesalmebi Cvens mkiTxvels, vfiqrob, bevri dagvigrovda sasaubro da madlobas gixdiT Tqven am SesaZleblobisTvis. unda aRiniSnos, rom saqarTveloSi politikuri dRis wesrigi imdenad swrafad icvleba, prioritetebis gansazRvrac ki rTuli gaxda, Tumca gamovyofdi ramdenime maTgans, es aris: ruseTis agresia ukrainaSi, ramac faqtobrivad Cveni qveynis yoveldRiur saSinao politikaSi top adgili daikava, Semdeg, kandidatis statusi da mis irgvliv ganviTarebuli movlenebi, antidasavluri (samwuxarod) kampania, opoziciur flangze gavlenis sferoebis gadanawileba da Ria dapirispireba, politikosebisa da mediamenejerebis/damfuZneblis dakavebebis Sedegad ganviTarebuli movlenebi da saxalxo damcvelis arCeva.
– mniSvnelovani Temebi CamoTvaleT. am mxriv, umTavresad, TqvenTvis ra sakiTxi iyo yvelaze aqtualuri saSinao politikis TvalsazrisiT da am mimarTebiT xelisuflebis da opoziciis qmedebebs rogor SeafasebdiT?
– qveynis saSinao politikaze saubris dros gverds ver avuvliT ruseTis agresias, romelic ara mxolod Cveni qveynisTvis Tu omSi myofi ukrainisTvisaa saSiSi, aramed es safrTxe ukve xelSesaxebi gaxda yvela evropuli saxelmwifosTvis. samwuxaroa is faqti, rom ruseTis agresia da okupacia ver gaxda (yoveli SemTxvevisTvis, xelisuflebis oficialuri pirebis mier gakeTebuli gancxadebebi Tu piriqiT, siCume amaze metyvelebs) Cveni qveynis politikuri elitisTvis gamaerTianebeli, metic, wyalgamyofad gardaiqmna, braldebis instrumentad iqca okupaciis da teritoriebis dakargvis sakiTxic, Tumca `bewvze~ mogviswro haagis sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebam, romelzec cota mogvianebiT visaubreb. rac Seexeba Semdeg sakiTxs, es gaxlavT evrokomisiis 12 rekomendacia, romelic aris, faqtobrivad, Cveni da evrokavSiris urTierTobis axal fazaze gadasvlis gasaRebi. aqac, samwuxarod, verc xelisuflebis da miT ufro opoziciis mxirdan ver vxedavT qmediT nabijebs.
– vxedavT, rom opozicia da xelisufleba ver Tanxmdebian sxvadasxva sakiTxze, Tundac evrokavSiris mier rekomendebuli 12 punqtis Sesrulebaze. . .
– mocemuli rekomendaciebidan erT-erTi upirvelesi, rac xelisuflebas da opozicias erToblivad unda gaekeTebina, es polarizaciis Semcirebisken efeqturi nabijebis gadadgma gaxldaT. dRes ras vxdevaT? imaze uaresi da gamZafrebuli polarizacia miviReT, rac am rekomendaciebis miRebis dros iyo da es imiT aixsneba, rom partiebs saxelmwifoebriv interesze maRla dayenebuli aqvT partiuli interesebi. saubari, rom Cven `raRacas vakeTebT~, roca qmedeba aris sapirispiro, orazrovans da bundovans xdis rogorc xelisuflebis, aseve, opoziciuri nawilis mier gadadmul nabijebs da es calsaxad ver Sefasdeba dadebiTad.
– kandidatis statusis miReba-armiReba Cvens qveyanas ra momavals uqadis saxelmwifoebriobis ganviTarebis TvalsazrisiT?
– es iqneba Cveni qveynisTvis axali da udidesi SesaZleblobebis fanjaris gaRebis tolfasi, rom warmovidginoT oTaci sadac sanTeli aris ganaTebis wyaro, uceb naTuriT rom ganaTdes, igive Sedegi eqneba kandidatis statusis miniWebas. Tu dargobrivad visaubrebT, statusi aisaxeba qveynis ekonomikur mdgomareobaze, mis gajansaRebaze, ganaTlebis sistemis gaumjobesebaze, baRebis, skolebis, profesiuli Tu umaRlesi saswavleblebis funqciurad axal standartebze gadasvlaze, qveynis energoefeqturobis gazrdaze, jandacvis sistemis optimizaciaze, infrastruqturuli proeqtebis daCqarebuli wesiT ganxorcielebaze, mcire da saSualo biznesis ganviTarebaze, axali da Tanamedrove teqnologiebis danergva-gamoyenebaze, vaWrobis xelSewyobaze, studentebis da akademiuri pirebis gacvliTi programebis gaormagebaze. bevri sxva sikeTe mohyveba kandidatis statuss, rac Cvens qveyanas ufro Zliers, damoukidebels da misabaZs gaxdis regionSi.
– gverds ver avuvliT `nacmoZraobaSi~ Seqmnil viTarebas, partiis liderebi xSirad erTmaneTs mkacrad akritikeben imis gamoc, rom enm miZinebul mdgomareobaSia. es risi maniSnebelia?
– Sidapartiuli diskusiebi, debatebi da kamaTi, vfiqrob, jansaRi politikuri procesis erT-erTi ganuyofeli nawili unda iyos. is, rasac dRes `nacmoZraobaSi~ vxedavT, Sidapartiul koniunqturas gascda da sazogadoebis TvalSic (aRqmis nawilSi) ar aqvs pozitiuri impulsebi. metic, Sida dapirispirebis sajarod gamotanam ormagad daabnia amomrCeveli, yuradReba moaduna, ufro mniSvnelovnidan (mesame prezidentis da `nacionaluri moZraobis~ damfuZneblis qeisi) naklebad mniSvnelovan sakiTxzea koncentrirebuli, rasac qveyanaSi ganviTarebuli bolodroindeli movlenebic cxadyofs. saboloo jamSi, vis ra motivi, survili Tu ambicia amoZravebs, vnaxavT partiaSi dagegmili arCevnebis dasrulebis Semdeg.
– dRes opoziciuri speqtri ramdenad Zlieria, xom ar Camoyalibda igi satelevizio opoziciad?
– dRes qarTuli opozicia ar warmoadgens mosaxleobis umravlesobis interesis sagans, vinaidan opoziciur flangSi aris Sida dapirispirebebi, brZola pirvelobisTvis, partiuli statusebisTvis da a. S. am mocemulobis gaTvaliswinebiT, ver vityviT, rom qarTuli opoziciuri speqtri Zlierad gamoiyureba.
– ar wydeba saubari saakaSvilze, amas winaT evroparlamentma miRebul rezoluciaSi Cawera, rom unda gaTavisufldes saakaSvili da, aseve, gvaramia unda Seiwyalos prezidentma. Tqven ras fiqrobT?
– mixeil saakaSvilis gaTavisuflebas aqvs Tavisi motivi – janmrTelobis gauareseba. vfiqrob, qveynis mesame prezidenti (Tavisi plusebisa da minusebis, Secdomebisa da warmatebebis gaTvaliswinebiT) ar unda asrulebdes sicocxles gisosebs miRma. rac Seexeba nika gvaramias, Tu Cveni qveynis interesia, ar hyavdes sapatimroSi mediamenejerebi, miT ufro, Tu amaze saerTaSoriso sazogadoebac aqtiurad mouwodebs, aRniSnuli instrumentis gamoyeneba efeqturad mimaCnia.
– bolo dros gaxSirda dasavleTis kritika politikosebis mxridan, magaliTad, `xalxis Zalis~ wevrebi acxadeben, rom dasavleTs saqarTvelos omSi CaTreva surs. . .
– minda Sevaxseno maT, rom dRes ukve im dasavleTma, romelsac aRniSnuli xalxi ase gaSmagebulad utevs, saqarTvelos saxelmwifo cno sruliad udanaSaulod agvistos omSi, risi deklarirebac moaxdina haagis sasamarTlom. qveynis mtroba is ki ar aris, eZaxo Sens oponents `omi ginda~, mtrobaa swored is, rom mocemul saSinao da sagareo politikur procesebSi ver gaarCio, vin aris Seni `moyvare~ da vin – `mteri~. ai, es aris dRes sagangaSo, rasac, samwuxarod, xelisuflebasTan daaxloebuli pirebi aqtiurad iyeneben.
– drodadro saqarTvelos prezidenti salome zurabiSvili mmarTveli partiis misamarTiTac gamoTqvams pretenziebs. xom ar giCndebaT STabeWdileba, rom prezidenti distancirebas cdilobs mmarTveli gundisgan?
– prezidentis mandats vada gasdis 2024 wels. misi arCevidan dRemde Cven araerTi kritika movismineT xelisuflebis mimarT, Tumca am yvelafers ar hqonia raime gavlena politikur porcesebze. win kidev 2 sruli weli gvaqvs, bevri da politikurad aqtualuri sakiTxia gadasaWreli saxelmwifoSi, raSic erT-erTi didi roli SeiZleba prezidentmac iTamaSos. ase rom, vnaxoT, davelodoT procesebis ganviTarebas.
– yvela xelisuflebis `aqilevsis qusli~ iyo da aris qveynis ekonomikuri mdgomareoba. ra unda gaakeTos xelisuflebam, rom situacia gamoswordes?
– es gaxlavT kandidatis statusis mopoveba yvela spekulaciis ganeitralebiT, anakliis Rmawylovani portis mSenebloba, inovaciuri da teqnologiuri, revoluciuri ideebis danergva qveynis agrarul sferoSi, sarkinigzo-satransporto politikis ganviTareba TurqeTis respublikasTan, swori da efeqturi gamoyeneba Cveni qveynis geografiuli mdebareobis, rogorc tranzituli qveynisa da turizmis xelSewyoba.
– sagareo sakiTxsac SevexoT. mTeli msoflios yuradReba axla ukrainiskenaa mipyrobili, omis ra fazaa amJamad da dasavleTi ramdenad erTiania ruseTis damarcxebis TvalsazrisiT?
– dasavleTis erTianobis da erTsulovnebis Sedegia is, rom dRes ukrainis Tavdacvisunarianoba efeqturia, garda amisa, iaraRiT, humanitaruli tvirTiT da sxva mniSnelovani daxmarebis gziT ukraina araTu igeriebs, aramed Setevazec ki gadadis da ibrunebs Tavis teritoriebs. es calsaxad imedis momcemia. rac Seexeba kiTxvas, Tu ra fazaSia omi, rTulia amis ganWvreta, radgan oms ukraina ver daasrulebs, Tu es putinma ar gadawyvita. Cven isRa dagvrCenia, vidgeT istoriis swor mxares da Cvens Zmebs da debs ukrainaSi SesaZleblobis farglebSi maqsimalurad davexmaroT, es aris is mciredi, riTac SevZlebT, omSi myofi ukraina vanugeSoT da solidaroba gamovxatoT.
– ukrainis gamarjvebis SemTxvevaSi, ra bedi ewevaT postsabWoTa qveynebs da Tavad ruseTs?
– amas rom warmovidgen, sruli damoukideblobis, Tavisuflebis da teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenis ucnobi sixaruli meufleba. ukrainis mogeba da ruseTis marcxi dRes niSnavs saqarTvelos teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenas da imperialisturi zraxvebis damsxvrevas mTels postabWoTa sivrceSi, am yvelafers ki dominos efeqti eqneba.
– rogor SeafasebdiT haagis sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebas 2008 wlis agvistos omis Taobaze?
– haagis sasamarTlos gadawyvetileba aris uprecedento da qarTuli saxelmwifoebriobisTvis udidesi mniSnelobis matarebeli. aRniSnuli gadawyvetileba dRes Cvens qveyanas sWirdeboda ise, rogorc udabnoSi myof mwyurvals wyali. es aris `saWiro dros, saWiro adgilas~ miRebuli gadawyvetileba. imeds gamovTqvam, rom aRniSnuli gadawyvetileba, romelmac qarTuli mxaris braleuloba arc erT nawilSi ar scno, daasrulebs rusul narativs, rom `saqarTvelom mZinare cxinvali dabomba~ da usafuZvlo braldebebs, romelic pirdapir azianebda Cveni qveynis imijs saerTaSoriso arenaze, erTxel da samudamod wertils dausvams. droa, yvela, vinc msgavs narativs imeorebda Tu iyenebda, gamovides da sajarod pasuxismgebloba aiRos im sityvebis gamo, riTac qarTul saxelmwifoebriobas da qarTul mxares, faqtobrivad, genocidSi adanaSaulebda.
– dabolos, ras elodebiT 2023 wels saSinao da sagareo politikis TvalsazrisiT?
– daviwyoT imiT, rom Zalian mniSnelovani Sexvedra Catarda 17 dekembers buqarestSi. rogorc viciT, Savi zRvis wyalqveSa kabeli daakavSirebs saqarTvelos da evrokavSirs, rac saqarTvelos energousafrTxoebis mniSvnelovani komponenti gaxdeba. garda amisa, xelisuflebam daaanonsa anakliis portis mSeneblobis ganaxleba, rac, vfiqrob, Zalian kargi nabijia (davelodoT mis aRsrulebas). 2023 weli aris, faqtobrivad, gamocdis mosamzadebeli periodi, rodesac Cvenma xelisuflebam, opoziciam, samoqalaqo sazogadoebam, yvelam erTad unda movikriboT Zalebi da erTiani SemarTebiTa da ZalisxmeviT warmatebulad davZlioT evrokomisiis 12 rekomendacia, raTa miviRoT kandidatis statusi. aseve, mniSvnelovania, ukrainaSi ruseTis agresia dasruldes. bunebrivia, xvdebiT, vis sasikeTodac visurvebdi.
