,,ყველაზე დიდი საწუხარი ჩემი დაგლეჯილი სამშობლოა”
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cnobili poeti, Jurnalisti, saqarTvelos JurnalistTa SemoqmedebiTi kavSiris gamgeobisa da prezidiumis wevri (2022 wlis martamde – am kavSiris Tavmjdomare) qalbatoni marina TeqTumaniZe araerTi literaturuli konkursis da festivalis monawile, zogjer ki Jiuris wevria. naTeli suliTa da gonebiT, obieqturobiT gamorCeuli am qalbatonis yuradReba aWaraSi Catarebulma literaturulma RonisZiebebma miipyro, romlebSic Tavadac monawileobda.
– rogor daiwyebdiT sakuTar avtobiografias?
– adamianis cxovreba pirveli gancdidan iwyeba, im droidan, roca suls raRac STambeWdavi daaCndeba. Cems SemTxvevaSi es deduleTs – samegrelos ukavSirdeba. Zalian patara viyavi, ar vici, ramdenis, jer verc vlaparakobdi (wlis da 7 Tvisa leqsebs vkiTxulobdi). dRemde iseTi cxadia da xelCasavlebi is gancda, romelsac axla vixseneb, ase mgonia, guSindelia. saRamos piria. aivanze vsxedvarT. dedas kalTaSi vuzivar, raRacas maWmevs, me ar vWam. deda mibrazdeba da meubneba, rom tura wamiyvans, Tu ar SevWam. am dros WiSkarTan (wlebis mere mivxvdi, rom ZaRli iyo) raRacam Cairbina, me tura megona da saocrad SemeSinda. es iyo pirveli SiSi, cxovrebis pirvel `gansacdelTan~ Sexvedra.
– cnobili pirovneba xarT, jildoc mravali gaqvT, maTgan yvelaze meti sixaruli romelma moganiWaT?
– zogadad, meRimeba yovelgvar jildoze, yovelgvar premiaze, vinaidan es jildoebi Cveni egoisturi miswrafebebis, Cveni pativmoyvareobis dakmayofilebis saukeTeso saSualebaa, magram roca Rirseulad iReb am jildos, mainc sasixaruloa. CemTvis aseTi gaxldaT saqarTvelos JurnalistTa kavSiris prezidiumis gadawyvetilebiT moniWebuli didi niko nikolaZis premia. Zalian gamaxara Tamaz wivwivaZis fondis mier gamocxadebul konkursSi gamarjvebam.
– `yoveldRiurad siymawvileSi davxetialob~. . . Tqveni am sityvebis gagrZeleba rom gTxovoT?
– menatreba iqauroba da is marina, uzomod keTili da gulubryvilo, warmodgena rom ar hqonda borotebaze da yvela adamiani keTilSobili, marTali egona. sadRac 23 wlis asakSi `aRmovaCine~ cxovreba Tavisi muqi ferebiT da SevZrwundi.
– poezia, Jurnalistika. . . farToa Tqveni interesebis sfero, modiT, Tavad mogviTxreT, sad SeZeliT ukeT Tqveni Sinagani `mes~ realizeba. . .
– poezia da Jurnalistika Cemi ori didi siyvarulia. ver vityvi, sad ufro realizebuli var. es, albaT, vinc wlebis ganmavlobaSi iyo Cem gverdiT da Tvalyurs adevnebda Cems cxovrebas, man unda Tqvas. erTi ki SemiZlia, giTxraT – sabavSvo JurnalistikaSi yofnis wlebma uamravi adamiani SemZina, uamravi bavSvi aRmazrdevina, romlebic, dResac sakuTari SvilebiviT miyvars.
– roca dRevandel masmedias ecnobiT, ras fiqrobT Tanamedrove Jurnalistikaze, ra migaCniaT aucileblad misi ganviTarebisaTvis?
– ar minda kolegebis ganawyeneba, magram dRevandeli Jurnalistika kritikas ver uZlebs. TiTze CamosaTvlelia televiziebi da gazeTebi, romlebic obieqturobis SenarCunebas cdiloben. mediasaSualebebis mepatroneebi Jurnalistebisgan iTxoven maTi Sexedulebebis gatarebas. rac eria, isaa beri da. . . Jurnalistikac.
– sawolTan marika orjonikiZis naxati mikidiao, brZaneT anu mxatvroba giyvarT da Tqvens Tvalsawiers afarToebs. ras ityviT mxatvrobasa da xelovnebis sxva dargebze?
– mxatvroba, garkveulwilad, bavSvobidan Semovida Cems cxovrebaSi. maxsovs didi mxatvrebis naxatebis biZaCemis mier Sesrulebuli aslebi. xatavda mamac, Cemi dac. . . saerTod, Zalian miyvars skulptura, istoriuli Janris – gansakuTrebiT. vamayob, rom qarTvelebsac gvyavda iseTi skulptori, rogoric iakob nikolaZea. saqarTveloSi gaTxrebis Sedegad mopovebuli nimuSebi cxadyofs qarTuli qandakebis uZvelesobas.
– mraval literaturul RonisZiebaSi monawileobT, konkursebSi, festivalebSi, zogan Jiuris wevric xarT. . . maTgan mniSvnelobiT romels gamoarCevT?
– jer festivalze getyviT. is maRalmTian aWaras ukavSirdeba da `ze-karTan~ hqvia. es aris megobrobis, siyvarulis festivali, saqarTvelos uZvelesi da uamravgansacdelgadatanili kuTxis gacnoba da Secnoba. vitire sxalTis monastris monaxulebisas. aq iseTi SegrZneba geufleba, TiTqos saukuneebi waiSala da maradiuli saqarTvelos mkvidri xar. rac Seexeba konkursebs, CemTvis misaRebia yvela, sadac organizatorebis mxridan ar aris zewola Jiurize. gamovarCevdi im konkursebs, sadac Jiuris wevri viyavi. esenia: `quji~, `leqsebis gamofena~, `daTa guluas saxelobis axalgazrduli konkursi~. . . aravin arasodes Careula da eWvqveS ar dauyenebia Cveni obieqturoba da miukerZoebloba. Jiuris wevrebma isic ki ar viciT, romeli leqsi romel avtors ekuTvnis. mesmis, bevri adamiani rCeba guldawyvetili, magram konkursi konkursia. unda SegveZlos sxvisi, am SemTxvevaSi konkretuli leqsis upiratesobis aRiareba. es poeziis ki ara, leqsis konkursia.
– Tqveni cxovrebis sagulisxmo epizodia tragikuli samoqalaqo omi. . . da roca es mogonebebi amotivtivdeba. . .
– sul vambob: me erTaderTi prezidenti avirCie da es zviad gamsaxurdiaa. piradad vicnobdi da SemiZlia vTqva, rom is keTilSobili adamiani iyo. dekembris im avbediT Rames mTavrobis saxlTan tyviebis zuzunSi videqi. maxsovs, vinc iq iyo, yvela asfaltze gawva, me ki videqi Sua moedanze da vnatrobdi, tyvia momxvedroda, rom im uzarmazari sircxvilisgan da sasowarkveTisgan, romelic manadgurebda, mspobda, Tavi dameRwia. im Ramem loginad Camagdo da didxans verc gamovjanmrTeldi.
– `genacvale~ – am sityvas, rogorc amboben, yvelaze xSirad warmoTqvamT da ukvirT, rogor SeiZleba yvelas `genacvale~ uTxrao. . . ras etyodiT axla am `gakvirvebulebs~?
– erTi Cemi Svilobili ambobs, marinas savizito sityva `Semogevle~ da `genacvale~ ariso. diax, am sityvebs xSirad viyeneb imitom, rom Zalian miyvars adamiani. es sityvebi isedac Zlieri energetikis matarebelia da roca maT warmovTqvam, vgrZnob, rogor vTbebi mec da sityvis adresatic. Tu giyvars gverdiT mdgomi, etyvi, Tu ar giyvars, ver etyvi. miyvars da vambob.
– megobari suliT naTesavia, sayrdeni, imedi. . . vin arian Tqveni megobrebi?
– Cemi megobrebi Cemi `sulis calebi~ arian. maT gareSe sicocxlec ar minda. vmadlob ufals maTTvis. Cemi megobrebi sulierebiT savse adamianebi arian, mtersac Seundoben da wyenac didxans ar mihyvebaT xolme. Cems megobrebs samyaro uyvarT da adamiani. isini Cemze gacilebiT ukeTesebi arian da mixaria maTi arseboba. dRes, am gaveSebul droSi, erTmaneTs rom ar indoben, megobari Cemi navsayudeli da oazisia.
– piradi sivrce CvenSi, erTgvarad, miT umetes – ojaxebSi, irRveva. es Zaladobis sababic xom ar xdeba?
– gaaCnia, piradi sivrcis darRvevaSi ras gulisxmobT. Zaladobas moZalade ojaxSi gazrdili adamianebi mimarTaven. scemda mas mama? manac unda scemos. Zaladobda mama dedaze? manac unda iZalados. es erTgvari jaWvia da Tu ar gvinda adamianebi iRupebodnen, es jaWvi unda gawyvitos ojaxis yvela wevrma. Tbil, mosiyvarule garemoSi gazrdili bavSvisgan moZalade ar dadgeba.
– `ra ena waxdes, eri daeces~. . . – es gafrTxileba daviviwyeT? rogor metyvelebs dRevandeli qarTveli, gansakuTrebiT axalgazrdoba, vin unda izrunos enis siwmindeze?
– katastrofuli mdgomareobaa am mxriv. arsebobda `qarTuli enis saxelmwifo palata~, romelic yvela enobriv darRvevaze reagirebda. axlac ariso, amboben, magram ver mivageni, sad aris da ras akeTebs. skolam, pedagogebma, mSoblebma meti unda imuSaon am mimarTulebiT. Cvenc unda mivuTiToT erTmaneTs, rom `ganvmeordebi~ Secdomaa da maxinji sityva, aseve arasworia sityvebi `kargiT~, `gamarjobaT~ da ase Semdeg. barbarizmebma waleka ena.
– problema, romelic yvelaze metad gaRelvebT da rogor gesaxebaT misi gadaWris gzebi?
– yvelaze didi sawuxari Cemi daglejili samSobloa. romeli politikosi me var, rom gadaWris gza vinmes mivuTiTo, Tumca, mgonia, saxalxo diplomatia da saqarTvelos ekonomikis fexze dayeneba iqneba droebiT dakarguli teritoriebis dabrunebis saSualeba da garanti.
– roca momavalze fiqrobT. . . cifruli gadawyoba ras moiTxovs adamianisagan? masmediis roli am procesSi. . .
– cifruli teqnologiebis, misi marketingis ganviTareba drom moitana da mas uamravi sikeTe moaqvs, Tumca, albaT, zomierebis dacva aqac saWiroa, rom mTlianad cifrul teqnologiebze damokidebuli, sulierebisgan daclili Taobebi ar miviRoT, rom wigni ar Caanacvlos kompiuterma, rom dRes, roca yvela informacia ase xelmisawvdomia, marto amiT ar dakmayofildes axalgazrda. masmedias bevri sikeTis motana SeuZlia am kuTxiT.
– kiTxva, romelic yvelaze xSirad xmianobs Tqvens gonebaSi da pasuxi?
– rodis unda damTavrdes dausrulebeli moTqma saqarTveloze da cremli simReraze – `Cemo kargo qveyanav, razed mogiwyenia~? da rodis gamoCndeba bazaleTis oqros akvnis yrma? vfiqrob, WeSmaritad gulmxurvale, niWieri, ganaTlebuli adamianebis erTobas qveynis bedis sasikeTod Secvla SeuZlia. mTavaria, gamoCndnen.
– vswavlobT warsuls momavlisaTvis – es postulati droulia?
– `win, warsulisken~ rom viaroT, bevr saintereso rames, kargad daviwyebuls da dReisTvis gamosadegs vnaxavT, magram amisTvis elementaruli survili mainc unda arsebobdes. warsulis gareSe ki (warmatebebis, Secdomebis gaazreba) momavali ar gveqneba.
– tradiciebi da Cven. . . romeli SevinarCunoT da romeli ukuvagdoT?
– yvela tradicia, bunebrivia, ar aris misaRebi. zogierTs Tavad cxovreba icilebs Tavidan. rac saWiroa, darCeba, rac ara – wava. xalxmravali qorwilebi, qelexebi unda moiSalos da mgoni, iSleba kidec. warmarTuli saqarTvelodan SemogvrCa ZafiT micvalebulis sulis miyvana saxlSi. es tradicia TiTqmis yvela kuTxem daiviwya, mxolod samegrelosa da svaneTSia, Tu ar vcdebi, SemorCenili. Zalian lamazia da mistikuri, magram tradiciad aRar iTvleba. ai, dasatovebeli da ufro maRal xarisxSi asayvania mSoblebisa da moxucebis pativiscema.
– aWaras, baTums xSirad stumrobT. . . sainteresoa Tqveni STabeWdilebebi, gTxovT, Cvens mkiTxvelebs gauziareT.
– baTumi Cemi didi siyvarulia. Cemi didi babuac Tbiliseli iyo da bunebrivia, Tbilisi usazRvrod miyvars, baTumi ki is qalaqia, sadac sixaruliT vicxovrebdi, sadac urTierTobac ician, siyvarulic da megobrobac.
– 2023 weli dadga. TqviT sadRegrZelo. . .
– saqarTvelos keTildReobis weli yofiliyos 2023! dae, iseTi aRmSenebloba dawyebuliyos, Cveni emigrantebiT avsebuliyos samSobloSi dasabrunebeli TviTmfrinavebi!
