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opoziciisa da xelisuflebis dapirispireba yoveldRiuroba gaxda
dasavleTSi postsabWoTa qveynebisgan gansxvavebiT didi xania gaacnobieres, rom polarizebuli politikuri garemo, dapirispireba, sxvadasxva sakiTxze SeuTanxmebloba saxelmwifos ganviTarebisTvis savalaloa. amis gacnobierebam evropuli qveynebi yovelmxriv gaaZliera da aayvava ekonomikurad da saxelmwifoebrivad. samwuxarod, postsabWoTa qveynebi am mimarTebiT moikoWleben. 30 welia Cveni qveyana TiTqos mojadoebul wreze dadis, bevrma problemam iCina Tavi. opoziciisa da xelisuflebis urTierTdapirispireba yoveldRiuroba gaxda. yvelas gvwadia, rom saqarTvelo evropuli yaidis qveynad iqces, sadac keTildReoba da usafrTxoeba iqneba garantirebuli. mniSvnelovani kiTxvebi Cndeba: rogoria Cveni qveynis ekonomikuri da politikuri situacia, ra gamowvevebis winaSe vdgavarT da rogoria maTi gadaWris gzebi? am da sxva aqtualur sakiTxebze gvesaubreba `strategia aRmaSeneblis~ aWaris organizaciis xelmZRvaneli beqa diasamiZe.
– Tavdapirvelad gasuli weli SeafaseT, ra plusebi da minusebi gamoikveTa am mimarTebiT?
– daviwyoT dadebiTiT. ruseTis agresiam ukrainisadmi daanaxa civilur samyaros da gansakuTrebiT evropas, rom saqarTvelos, ukrainisa da moldovas adgili evroatlantikur struqturebSia. evrokavSiris mxridan am kuTxiT mniSvnelovani nabijebi gadaidga. ukrainam da moldovam evrokavSiris wevrobis kandidatis statusi miiRes, xolo saqarTvelos mieca dro, gadadgas mniSvnelovani nabijebi demokratiis xarisxis gasaumjobeseblad da aRniSnuli statusis misaRebad. kidev erTi SesaZlebloba, rac ukrainaSi omma gaaCina, ruseTis federaciaze gamavali satransporto marSrutebis saqarTvelos mimarTulebiT gadmotanaa. evropuli sanqciebis gamo saqarTvelom regionSi mniSvnelovani satranzito qveynis funqcia SeiZina. aRmosavleT aziis qveynebis evropasTan xmeleTiT kavSiri tvirTebis gadazidvis kuTxiT samxreT kavkasiaze gadis. meore mxriv, dRes evropa saWiroebs kaspiis zRvis auzis saxelmwifoebis energoresursebs ise, rogorc arasdros. jamSi, am mocemulobaSi, mSvenieri SesaZlebloba gveZleva Cveni satransporto da energetikuli obieqtebis mSenebloba-reabilitaciis, `abreSumis gzis~ aRdgenisa, rac, Tavis mxriv, ganaviTarebs qveynis ekonomikas da gaaumjobesebs Cveni mosaxleobis ekonomikurad gausaZlis mdgomareobas.
rac Seexeba minusebs – istoriul Sanss, romelic Cvens qveyanas gauCnda (zemoT CamogiTvaleT), saqarTvelos mTavroba aignorebs. `qarTuli ocnebis~ winaSe saxelmwifos interesebsa da sakuTari skamebis SenarCunebas Soris martivi alternativa idga. mmarTvelma Zalam, samwuxarod, es ukanaskneli airCia, rac qveynis Ralatis tolfasia.
– mmarTveli partiis wevrebi acxadeben, rom etapobrivad evrokomisiis yvela rekomendacias asruleben da Tanac am wels qveyanaSi megaproeqtebi ganxorcieldeba, ras fiqrobT?
– sazogadoebas minda mivmarTo, erTi punqti SegviZlia davasaxeloT evrokomisiis rekomendaciebidan, romelic `qarTulma ocnebam~ Seasrula? is procesic, ki romelic parlamentSi faqtobrivad daiwyes da arasamTavrobo organizaciebi dialogSi CarTes, ver miiyvanes bolomde, raTa Tundac formalurad sazogadoebisaTvis daenaxebinaT, rom raRac keTdeba. konsensusi, romelic molaparakebaSi monawile mxareebs Soris unda Semdgariyo, Tavad am mxareebis ganmartebiT, ver moxda da amis kargi magaliTi saxalxo damcvelis arCevis procesia, romelic srulad Cavarda.
– evrokomisiis erT-erTi rekomendaciaa sasamarTlo sistemis damoukideblobis xarisxis gazrda, am mxriv opoziciis iniciativebs mmarTveli partia ra argumentebiT pasuxobs da maTi pasuxi TqvenTvis ramdenad damajerebelia?
– sasamarTlo damoukidebeli saqarTvelos aqilevsis quslia. vercerTma xelisuflebam Cvens qveyanaSi ver gauZlo cdunebas, ar ekontrolebina marTlmsajulebis sistema. gamonaklisi arc `qarTuli ocnebaa~. marTalia, mmarTveli Zala oficialurad acxadebs, rom sasamarTlo damoukidebelia da evrokomisiis rekomendaciebiTac damoukideblobis xarisxi kidev ufro izrdeba, magram faqtia, bolo periodis ganmavlobaSi iusticiis sabWos `gaZliereba~ klanis wevrebiT ver CaiTvleba warmatebul reformad. es ar aris evrokavSiris wevrobis kandidatobisTvis gadadgmuli nabiji, arafers vambob politpatimrebis argamoSvebaze.
– Tqveni partia mudmiv Sexvedrebs marTavs rogorc qveyanaSi, ise mis farglebs gareT, axal iniciativebsac aJRerebT, gTxovT, mogviTxroT amis Sesaxeb?
– gvaqvs iniciativebi, rogorc qveynis SigniT, ise mis farglebs gareT. mogexsenebaT, wlis dasawyisia, samoqmedo gegmas vadgenT da sazogadoebas uaxloes momavalSi aucileblad mivawvdiT informacias amasTan dakavSirebiT.
– amaswinaT `gorbim~ gamokiTxvebis Sedegebi gamoaqveyna, romlis Tanaxmadac mmarTvel partias gamokiTxulTa 52 procenti uWers mxars, `nacmoZraobas~ – 23, sxva partiebis maCvenebeli umniSvneloa, es maCvenebeli ramdenad realuria?
– es organizacia `qarTul ocnebasTan~ afilirebulia. Sesabamisad, msgavsi kvlevebi naklebad sandoa. aSkaraa, rom mmarTveli gundis reitingebi xelovnurad orjer gazrdilia.
– Tqveni partiis TaosnobiT axali koalicia Camoyalibda, xom ar igegmeba trios gafarToeba da ZiriTadad, ra Rirebulebebi gaerTianebT?
– Cveni politikuri koalicia Riaa sxva opoziciuri partiebisTvis, romlebic dasavlur Rirebulebebs iziareben da saqarTvelos momavals evroatlantikur struqturebSi xedaven. amas garda, vfiqrobT da amas realobaSic vxedavT, rom opoziciuri partiebis erTianobis gareSe rusuli xelisuflebis damarcxeba SeuZlebeli iqneba. amitom erTianoba ualternativo uaxloesi perspeqtivaa.
– eqspertebi arc opozicias indoben (magaliTad, gia xuxaSvili) da acxadeben, rom opozicia caitnotSia da vidre satelevizio opoziciis formatSi iqnebian fokusirebulni, manamde mmarTvel partias konkurencias ver gauweven, ras fiqrobT?
– sazogadoebasTan urTierTobis nebismieri formati, es iqneba teleekrani, parlamentis tribuna, quCis aqciebi Tu mosaxleobasTan Sexvedrebi, vfiqrob, opoziciam maqsimalurad unda gamoiyenos. yvela am resurss Cveni partia SeZlebisdagvarad iyenebs, magram, geTanxmebiT, saWiroa kidev ufro metis gakeTeba.
– vxedavT, rom drodadro prezidenti mmarTvel partias sxvadasxva sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT akritikebs, es risi maniSnebelia?
– daakvirdiT, qalbatoni salome mTavrobas akritikebs, magram ara biZina ivaniSvils. vfiqrob, aq ufro subieqtur uTanxmoebasTan unda gvqondes saqme, vidre saqarTvelos sagareo an saSinao politikasTan mimarTebaSi xedvasTan, azrTa sxvadasxvaobasTan. prezidentis instituti ivaniSvilis reJimis gagrZelebaa. imisaTvis, rom salome zurabiS-vilma es mocemuloba Secvalos, qmediTi nabijebi unda gadadgas da politpatimrebi Seiwyalos.
– Tqveni azriT, ratom ar iwyalebs saqarTvelos prezidenti mixeil saakaSvils da nika gvaramias, miT ufro, rom evroparlamentarTa nawili amisken mouwodebs salome zurabiSvils. . .
– vfiqrob, qalbatoni prezidenti gulisyuriT akvirdeba mimdinare politikur procesebs rogorc qveynis SigniT, ise msoflioSi da gadawyvetilebas miiRebs imis mixedviT, rogorc momgebiani iqneba misTvis da ara qveynisTvis. Tu vinmes sawinaaRmdegos damtkicebis survili eqneba, maSin martiv kiTxvas unda gasces pasuxi: mixeil saakaSvilisa da nika gvaramias SewyalebiT qarTul sazogadoebaSi Semcirdeba Tu ara polarizebis done? da Tu pasuxi aris dadebiTi, maSin ras elodeba qveynis prezidenti?
– opoziciis nawili kvlav mouwodebs saparlamento opozicias sakanonmdeblo organos datovebisken, ratom ver Tanxmdeba am sakiTxSi opoziciuri speqtri?
– rogorc zemoT mogaxseneT, opoziciam yvela tribuna unda gamoiyenos, maT Soris saparlamentoc. parlaments gaaCnia Tavisi resursebi da misi argamoyeneba opoziciis mxridan ar iqneba swori strategia.
– parlamentma kvlav ver airCia saxalxo damcveli, ra aris amis mizezi da arsebobs Tu ara iseTi sakiTxebi, sadac opozicia da xelisufleba Tanxmdebian?
– saxalxo damcvelis sakiTxi aris is qeisi, romelic praqtikaSi amtkicebs im mosazrebas, rom `qarTul ocnebas~ politikur oponentebTan qveynis erTianobisTvis da evropuli momavlisTvis mcired daTmobaze wasvlac ki ar surs. sxva logikuri axsna amas ar moeZebneba. mmarTvelma partiam kidev erTxel gvaCvena, rom pirobis Sesruleba ar SeuZlia, amitom maTdami ndobis faqtori aris nulis toli.
– ra stadiaSia ruseT-ukrainis omi da ruseTis damarcxebis Semdeg ra safrTxeebi da SesaZleblobebi gamoikveTeba postsabWoTa qveynebisTvis?
– ruseTma es omi waago, magram ukrainas jerjerobiT mogebuli ar aqvs. ruseTis damarcxeba federaciis daSlas gamoiwvevs, rac, Tavis mxriv, postsabWoTa kavSiris qveynebs mTeli rigi perspeqtivebisa da gamowvevebis winaSe daayenebs, rogorc ekonomikuri, ise usafrTxoebis sakiTxebSi. es calke intervius sakiT-xia da Tu vrclad geqnebaT saubris survili, SegviZlia Tema ufro ganvavrcoT.
– kvlav saqarTvelos saSinao politikaze visaubroT, problemuri sakiTxebis nusxaSi umuSevroba yvela gamokiTxvis mixedviT aqtualuria, ratom ver SeZlo vercerTma mTavrobam ekonomikuri mdgomareobis gaumjobeseba?
– pirveli mizezi is aris, rom importdamokidebuli qveyana varT. warmoebis sfero praqtikulad, ar aris ganviTarebuli CvenSi, Sesabamisad, ar iqmneba samuSao adgilebi. rasac movixmarT, imis 80% ucxouri produqciaa da `orpiri qaris~ principiT, qveyanaSi Semosuli finansuri resursebi isev tovebs mis farglebs, rac aseve xels uSlis biznesebis wamowyebas da axali samuSao adgilebis Seqmnas. meore mizezi sxvadasxva saqonlis bazrebze calkeuli kompaniebis monopoliuri mdgomareobaa, rac produqciaze fasebis zrdas, mosaxleobis Semosavlis Semcirebas da Sromis bazarze dasaqmebis SesaZleblobis SezRudvas uwyobs xels.
– dabolos, 2023 weli saqarTvelosTvis ramdenad mniSvnelovani iqneba saSinao da sagareo politikis TvalsazrisiT?
– 2023 weli saqarTvelosTvis gadamwyveti iqneba. gairkveva ukrainaSi mimdinare omis da Sesabamisad, ruseTis federaciis bedi. am omSi kremlis damarcxeba Cvens qveyanas politikuri da ekonomikuri TvalsazrisiT did SesaZleblobebs miscems. aq vgu-lisxmob rogorc Cveni qveynis evroatlantikur momavals, ise dakarguli teritoriebis dabrunebas, putinis reJimis damarcxebas da qveynis satranzito potencialis gazrda-gafarToebas (`abreSumis gzis~ aRdgenas).
