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Cveni stumaria aWaris mTianeTis mkvidri, Suaxevis municipalitetis meriis ganaTlebis, kulturis, sportis, turizmisa da axalgazrdul saqmeTa samsaxuris ufrosi, saqarTvelos mweralTa SemoqmedebiTi kavSirisa da saqarTvelos poetTa saerTaSoriso asociaciis wevri, poeti fridon daviTaZe.
– batono fridon, leqsebis pirveli krebuli erTob originaluri saxelwodebisaa – `Cemi Cumi Canafiqri~. misi gamocemis Semdeg `siCumem~ xom ar daisadgura?
– wignis gamocema, samwuxarod, Zviri siamovnebaa. qvelmoqmed da mecenat vaJa daviTaZisa da Jurnalist oTar futkaraZis TanadgomiT ixila Cemi leqsebis krebulma mzis sinaTle. dReisTvis xuT wigns rom eyofa, imdeni leqsi maqvs ukve dawerili da socialur qselebSi gamoqveynebuli. albaT, gamiRimebs bedi da Cemi sulis am naJursac gamouCndeba vinme keTili adamiani, rom wignad gamovce, Tumca, ukmarisobis gancda namdvilad ar mawuxebs. ara mgonia, wigns hyavdes imdeni mkiTxveli, ramdenic socialur sivrceSi myavs.
– sul sxvaa socialuri sivrce da sul sxva – wigni.
– ar gedavebiT, magram Semoqmeds materialuri mdgomareoba rom xels ar gaZlevs, sxva xerxs unda mimarTo.
– Tqveni Semoqmedebidan romel leqss aniWebT upiratesobas?
– wels, dekemberSi, dabadebidan 60 weli misruldeba. albaT, asaksac Seefereba Cemi erTi leqsi, romelsac saTaurad `davberdi~ SevurCie:
`wlebi wuTebad miqrian,
davberdi, aba, ra vqeni?
wuTisofeli fiqria –
ra vqeni an ra ar vqeni?..~.
Cemi yvela leqsi miyvars, magram, samwuxarod, arcerTi ar vici zepirad. samagierod, sxvebma ician da xSirad kiTxuloben sajaro RonisZiebebze.
– `fsalmuni~ berZnuli sityvaa da saxotbo sagalobels niSnavs. Tqven misi galeqsva ram gadagawyvetinaT? rogorc vici, arc aRmsarebloba giwyobT xels da arc saRvTismetyvelo ganaTleba gaqvT miRebuli.
– aris taZari, romelsac imdeni Sesasvleli aqvs, ramdeni wamyvani religiuri mimdinareobac arsebobs dedamiwaze, salocavi sveti ki erTia. yvela Sedis am taZarSi `sakuTari kariT~ da midis erT sakurTxevelTan – salocav svetTan, rom ufals madli uZRvnas yvelafrisTvis. RmerTi erTia. yvela religia, romelic kacTmoyvareobas qadagebs, uflis siyvarulidan momdinareobs. gankiTxvis Jams ara mgonia, vinmem `mkiTxos~, romeli karidan Semoxvedio. imas ki namdvilad mkiTxaven, ra waviRe iq saaqaodan – codva Tu madli? fsalmunebis galeqsva rom daviwye, mravalma momiwona, mravalmac kritikis qarcecxlSi gamatara (maT Soris samRvdeloebis warmomadgenlebmac). aWaraSi momuSave poetma, xatmwerma, Jurnal `xatimamulis~ redaqtorma da RvTisnierma qalbatonma nana momceliZem `gamimJRavna~ sajarod Cemi poeturi `axireba~… sabednierod iqidan `risxvis~ niaRvari ar frqveula Cems Tavzed, siTbo da siyvaruli ki namdvilad vigrZeni da vgrZnob dResac. ociode fsalmuni damrCa gasaleqsi. roca davasruleb am yvelafers, redaqtoroba da saboloo `CarCoSi~ Casma isev RvTismsaxurebs unda vTxovo. am metad sapasuxismgeblo saqmes marto poeturi niWi ar hyofnis, bevri ramea gasaTvaliswinebeli. saTauridan gamomdinare Tu vimsjelebT (`galobani siyvarulisani, anu oda fsalmunebs!~), pasuxi naTelia: uflis sadideblis galeqsva mokrZalebuli survilia, pasuxismgeblobaa RmerTis siyvarulis `sajarod gamJRavnebisa~. me miyvars RmerTi da am siyvarulis `gasajaroeba~ am gziT virCie. . .
– Suaxevis municipalitetis meriis wamyvani dargebis samsaxuris ufrosic xarT. am saqmes rogor iTavsebT?
– samsaxurSi mosvlamdec ganaTlebis, kulturisa da sportis `muSaki~ viyavi. . . vamayob Cemi gundiT da im adamianebiT, romlebic aq muSaoben, CvenTan erTad saqmeebs uZRvebian. samsaxuri meore ojaxia, romelic pirvelis rCenaSi ki ar gvexmareba marto, sicocxlis xaliss gvmatebs da motivaciasac gviqmnis, rom Cveni municipalitetis sakeTildReod raime Rirebulis Seqmna SevZloT. 2023 weli siaxleebiT savse iqneba SuaxevelebisTvis. winaswar ar miyvars saubari. dro ityvis Tavis saTqmels, rasac, darwmunebuli var, gazeTi `aWara~ operatiulad gamoexmaureba.
– sazogadoebas axsovxarT rogorc baTumis SoTa rusTavelis saxelmwifo universitetis doqtoranti. . .
– samwuxarod, statusSeCerebuli doqtoranti. . . Taroze midevs dasrulebuli sadoqtoro disertacia, romlis wignad gamocemas yovelgvari samecniero xarisxis mopovebis gareSe vapireb. imdeni Sromaa Cadebuli am naSromSi samecniero xelmZRvanelebTan erTad, rom mebraleba `dasakonserveblad~. brZens uTqvams: `erT mdinareSi orjer ar Sediano~. . . erTxel SemiCeres statusi swavlis safasuris gadauxdelobis gamo. . . meored Cavabare. . . damaviwyda erTi didi mecnieris niSnis mogebiT naTqvami, rom swavla siamovnebaa da am siamovnebaSi fulis gadaxdaa saWiroo. ori kursi ise davasrule, problemebi ar Semqmnia. megona, davasrule. . . oTxniSna cifriani qviTari rom momivida universitetidan finansuri valdebulebis droulad dafarvis Sesaxeb, maSin mivxvdi, rom ver davamTavre, Turme.
– da aq mTavrdeba samecniero saqmianoba?
– mesamed aRar vapireb `mdinareSi~ Sesvlas… istoriis akademiuri doqtoris wodeba sapatioa, magram misTvis brZola araa Cemi hobi. kadnierebaSi ar CamiTvaloT naTqvami: mgoni, me ufro, rogorc poeti, vWirdebi qveyanas (asparezi rom mieces Cems SemoqmedebiT saqmianobas), vidre rogorc `xarisxianis~ titulis mflobeli. am sakiTxTan mimarTebiT, Cemi `interesi~ sruliad amowurulia. Svilma da rZalma ufro didi `tituli~ momces – 10 Tvis ioanes babua var! isaa Cemi statusic, xarisxic, wodebac da Tanamdebobac. leqsebiT vesaubrebi Cems patara angelozs da akvnidanve vaswavli samSoblos, eris siyvaruls, RmerTisa da rwmenis raobas. jerjerobiT `mismens~ da mere, vnaxoT.
– yvelaferi siamtkbilobaze, siyvarulze dafuZnebuli ojaxidan da erTguli meuRlidan modis?
– meuRlisTvis imdeni leqsi maqvs miZRvnili, rom Tavad `mikvirs~. qedeli qalis meuRleobas ar sjobda, sul ar myoloda? – `wamomcda~ erT saxumaro leqsSi da mere erTi Tve davdiodi `naxevrad naWami~ samsaxurSi. gamovaswore mdgomareoba, Sevcvale xumroba seriozulobiT da… awyva saqmec. es `naxevrad~ seriozulad, ra Tqma unda, Cemi meuRle marto Cemi Svilebis deda araa, is Cemi poeturi STagonebis wyaro da gulwrfelad miZRvnili leqsebis ucvleli adresatia. Cven Cumad, uxmauro tkivilebiT gamoviareT es wlebi. me bednieri var misiT!
– rom ara socialuri qselebi?
– feisbuqze 5000 megobari myavs. Cems gverds – `fridon daviTaZis Semoqmedeba~ ki – 10000-ze meti gamomweri da uTvalavi mnaxveli. cukerbergs Cemgan leqsi ki ara, poema ekuTvnis… rom ara socialuri qselebi, verasdros gavicnobdi, albaT, mraval maRali donis mweralsa da poets, samSoblos Rirseul Svilebs, romlebic qveynis keTildReobas sruliad uangarod unTeben sanTel-sakmevels. madloba TiToeul maTgans, rom mkiTxuloben, vuyvarvar da vaxsovar.
– Tqveni poezia RvTaebrivi STagonebis produqtia?
– aba, ra SeiZleba erqvas RmerTebis `enazed~ saubars? leqsi `gancxadeba~ xom araa, vinmesgan gadaiwero da gaaSinaarso? muza unda gewvios, `movides~ leqsis saxiT. Sen kidev, `artaxebi~ ki ar unda Seukra mas, Tavisufleba unda mianiWo, rom drois gamocdas gauZlos.
– qarTuli poeziis `rukaze~ vis gamoarCevT?
– aseTi rukis Seqmna absurdia. imdeni SesaniSnavi poeti hyavs dRes saqarTvelos (mraval sust poetTan erTad), rom ruka ki ara, atlasic cotaa maT dasatevad.
– ramdenad musikaluria Tqveni leqsebi?
– bevria aseTi. apireben kidec Cemi megobrebi ramdenime leqsze simReris daweras. es didi saCuqari iqneba.
– eTanxmebiT naTqvams, rom poeti filosofosia?
– roca Tavad poeziaa filosofia, vin unda iyos, aba, poeti? Cemi leqsebi imdenad `daxunZlulia~ filosofiiT, rom mkiTxveli maniWebs am tituls.
– mSobliuri Suaxevis quCebSi visTan erTad isurvebdiT gaseirnebas?
– im adamianebTan erTad, romlebmac wlobiT iSromes misi gamSvenierebisTvis… Cems SviliSvilebTan erTad, romelTac movuyvebi, ris gakeTebas vcdilobdiT, rom am quCebSi seirnobis zneobrivi ufleba gvqonoda, Cems meuRlesTan erTad, romelsac veamayebi, rogorc am yvelafris uSualo monawile!
– safiqrali, ZilSiac rom ar gasvenebT. . .
– cxovreba, saaqao ar damirCes `usaTaurod~, Svilebsa da SviliSvilebs samSoblos mcneba im donezed gavuTaviso, rom tkiodeT, grZnobdnen da ufrTxildebodnen mas.
– TurqeTi dRes didi gansacdelis winaSe dgas. am tragedias rogor gamoexmaurebiT?
– es ar aris marto Turqi eris gasaWiri da gansacdeli, es kacobriobis gamosafxizleblad gaRebuli msxverplia. gavabrazeT RmerTi, Tanac – Zalian. Cemi Semoqmedebis garkveuli nawili uflis sadidebeli himnia. vwuxvar da ganvicdi am tragedias, vusamZimreb TurqeTisa da siriis xalxebs. RmerTma gvakmaros cremli da msxverpli, ganurCevlad rasisa, aRmsareblobisa da adgilmdebareobisa. am dReebSi mTelma msofliom aCvena, rom mtrobis da angariSsworebis dro araa.
– ras elodebiT xvalisgan?
– samSoblos, sruliad gansxvavebuls axlo warsulisgan, qarTvelobas kidev, erT gundad Sekruls, romelsac samoRvaweo devizi: `mamuli, ena, sarwmunoeba~ `konstituciad~ eqneba miRebuli. meti ra molodini unda mqondes?
