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zeinab metrevelma samwerlo asparezze gamosvlisTanave miipyro mkiTxvelTa yuradReba. ukve wlebia, es interesi sul ufro Zlierdeba. warmateba xvda wilad mis romans `saydris Citebi~, xolo leqsebma poeziis araerTi moyvarulis guli daipyro. isic saTqmelia, rom literaturul internetgverdebze ganTavsebul mis leqsebs asobiT mkiTxveli iwonebs, xolo leqsi `me rom miyvardi~ (`me rom miyvardi, siyvaruli sad iyo maSin. . .~) gamorCeulad uyvarT. es xom misi Semoqmedebis unikaluri parolia da namdvilad ar iyo SemTxveviTi, rom mwerlis Sexvedras baTumel mkiTxvelebTan swored am leqsis paTosi gasdevda. saocari zeinab metreveli – ase aRiqvams mas mkiTxveli, roca mis leqsebs ecnoba, roca masTan dialogs marTavs. dRevandeli es interviuc am STabeWdilebas kidev ufro gamokveTs.
– zeinab metreveli – zeinab metrevelis Sesaxeb. . .
– iseTi araferi gaukeTebia, saTqmelad Rirdes.
– Tqveni poezia – sulis biografia Tu aRsareba?
– mitevebamde – erTi Rrma amosunTqva.
– iqmneba STabeWdileba, rom metaforebis sabados miageniT.
– sadac yvelaze didi tkivilebia, metaforebic iq binadroben da Sen rom arc gindodes, Tavad gipovnian.
– `me rom miyvardi, siyvaruli sad iyo maSin. . .~ – ase mgonia, es fraza Tqveni Semoqmedebisa da cxovrebis lakmusia.
– diax, siyvaruli upirvelesia, is magiuri sityvaa, `paroli~ – idumalebis Sesacnobad, zRurblze Tavdadrekils rom dagcdeba da riTac Seicnoba SenSi forma, arsi, sqesi, saxe.
– romanis avtori xarT, warmatebuli prozaikosi. da mainc. . . proza Tu poezia, sad SeZeliT sasurvelad TviTrealizeba?
– proziT daviwye, ise, rogorc iwyeba cxovreba da mere cota movindome, rom erTferovani dReebis gaelvebebi poeziad meqcia. ubralod, es iyo mcdeloba da gamomivida Tu ara, es mkiTxvelma unda Seafasos. raki proziT daviwye, Tavi poetad arasodes CamiTvlia, es arc Tavmdablobaa da arc poza, radgan Cemi leqsebis umetesoba iseT martoobaSia dawerili, verc ki vifiqrebdi, rom is farTo sazogadoebisTvis iqneboda `gamosadegi~. poeti magidasTan zis da muSaobs formaze, stilze, leqsikuri maragis Ziebaze, me ki mxolod maSin vwer, roca is TavisiT modis, karze daukakuneblad da moubodiSeblad – xan sad momiswrebs da xan – sad. . . modis da arasodes vfiqrob, ra Cavacva da davaxuro, arc modasayolilebi arian da arc mTlad SiSvelni, leqsma Tavad unda moixdinos is, rac misi SobisTvis gaumetebia RmerTs. mgonia, mSobiarobis tkiviliT dabadebul leqsebs Sens pirvelyofil samyarosgan WiplariT verasodes mohkveT. . .
– arc Jurnalistikaa TqvenTvis ucxo. xom ar gaixsenebT am sferoSi muSaobis sagulisxmo momentebs da ras fiqrobT Tanamedrove Jurnalistebze?
– Jurnalistad yvelaze naklebad CavTvlidi Tavs, radgan imdroindel CarCoebSi mxolod zusti faqtebi, ricxvebi da terminebi unda Cametia, me ki bunebiT romantikosi viyavi da ubralo, arafrismTqmel masalaSi iseT `poetur frazebs vakvexebdi~ xolme, rom mTel sagazeTo statias `vafuWebdi~. amdenad, arc Jurnalistad mimiCnevia Tavi, ubralod, vmuSaobdi. saerTod, yovelTvis miWirda saxelebis darqmeva Cemi TavisTvis, dResac ar vixedebi Cemi saxelis daZaxebaze, Tu iq, im adgilas namdvilad ar damigulebia Tavi. . . dRes ki ise advilad iWeren mikrofons, rom gaocdebi. anakuweben da Cexaven Cvens unikalur enas da ise saubroben, verc kiTxvas gaigeb da verc pasuxs. rac yvelaze Semzaravia, bilwsityvaoba iqca meti damajereblobis, simarTlis damtkicebis `dedaboZad~. diax, bilwsityvaoba ficis sinonimad iqca. socialuri sivrce savsea aseTi `ficilebiT~ da amas moismen imaT piridan, vinc sxvebs unda aswavlides sityviT avsili mSvenierebis gancdas. rogorc yvela sferom, Jurnalistikamac im `niSas~ Seafara Tavi, sadac sxvadasxva `niSniT~ gamorCeuloba Tavmosawoni gaxda.
– problema, romelic am etapze metad gaRelvebT. . .
– migracia – daicala soflebi, qveynidan gaedineba niWi, axalgazrdoba, inteleqti. rac yvelaze Semzaravia, aqedan wasulebma ar ician aq dabrunebis zusti dro, miaxloebiTac ki ver sazRvraven im Soreul siaxloves, roca adgilis dedas mieaxlebian. . . uceb berdeba qveyana aq darCenili Zveli da versadwamsvleli TaobebiT, xvale ki Tavisas iTxovs – Senebas, sisxls, siyvaruls. ase mgonia, dRes saqarTvelos beber kalTaSi bavSvoba aRar uzis, radgan genis, jiSis mSeneblebi qveynidan Sors, `salukmapuro obieqtebze~ muSaoben, ixarjebian, iqancebian da am miwis monatrebiT avaddebian.
– istoriuli personaJi, romelic unda gamovixmoT warsulidan. . .
– konstantine gamsaxurdias romans `mTvaris motacebas~ TiTqmis yovel wels vkiTxulobdi axalgazrdobaSi da yoveli wakiTxvisas imaze mets vigebdi, vidre ramdenime mwerlis Semoqmedebis gacnobisas. dRes Tu vinmes gamovixmobdi, es TaraS emxvari iqneboda, vinc kacurad SeZlo evropelobis RirsebiT tareba, ise, rom sakuTar fesvebs ar mowyvetoda. piriqiT, man SeZlo Tavis TavSi gadaenaxa mamakacuri TavSekavebuloba, ukompromisoba, sakacobrio da qarTuli Rirebulebebis erToblioba, romelzec Sendeba yvela rasis individi, pirovneba, visac SeuZlia ise gadaRebos warsulis fasadi, awmyos marwuxebSi moqceul warsuls aTaswlovani arseboba mware sinanulad ar uqcios, Tanac maSin, roca jer kidev gaurkveveli da Camouyalibebelia axal TaobaTa ganwyoba – mogitevebs Tu ara imad yofnas, rogoradac daibade da roca daibade, roca adamianad yofnis Rirsebas atareb, Znelia, droisa da adgilis kveTisas im mimarTulebas gahyve, sadac iseTi warmoCindebi, rogoric sinamdvileSi xar. `medroveTa mundiri~ maRalCiniania, magram mis matarebelTa umravlesoba imave drois `keTilSobili jalaTia~, romelsac emsaxureba. . .
– `qmna marTlisa simarTlisa xesa Seiqms xmelsa nedlad~ – rusTavelis es da sxva aforizmebi, rogorc Cveni cxovrebis gzis mudmivi SuqniSnebi. . .
– maradiuli satkivaria, `qmna marTlisa simarTlisa~. . . albaT, edemidan uflisagan gaZevebul adams da evasac ar uTqvamT, namdvilad risTvis gamoaZeves isini. adamianur SecodebaTa umravlesoba tyuilis Tqmis didi niWierebiT gamoirCeva, Cven bevri magaliTi viciT imisa, didi niWierebac rogor gadamterebia simarTles, roca mas zneobis marwuxebidan Tavisi drois an, Tundac, mTeli epoqis gaTavisufleba mouwadinebia. . . zogjer gamosvlia kidec da gamarjvebiTac damtkbara, magram mere modioda diadi cvlilebebi da es friad didi niWiereba iseT daviwyebaSi danTqmula, rom Taobebs aRarc gaxsenebiaT. dRes tyuilis simarTled gasaRebis imdeni saSualebaa, rom zogjer Tavad ijereb, rac Seni gamonagonia. fuZndebi masze, Sendebi, maRali ierarqiuli WeriT, materialuri samSvenisebiT savse kedlebiT da erT dRes ingrevi, radgan legendebad da miTebad SefuTuli sicrue berwis TavgamodebiT ver Sobs im maradiulobas, romelic myari arsebobis kiriTxuroebs gazrdis. dro Sens kalpotSic rom moaqcio, miwisqveSa dinebiT mainc momavlis zRvas SeuerTdeba.
– sityva, romelic unda aRzevdes. . .
– `samSoblo~ – yvelaze metad ziani am sityvas miadga. es sityva SeiZleba aTas enaze Targmno aTasgvari ganmartebiT, magram grZnobiT mxolod mSobliur enaze grZnob, ganicdi. . . dRes TiTqmis CamorCenilobad miiCneva misi emociiTa da saTqmelis konteqstSi gamoyeneba. globalur miRwevebs adamianisgan swored is gancdebi gaqvs, rac individualizms unarCunebs. axla yvela erTmaneTs vgavarT plastikuri operaciebis CareviT, mimbaZvelobiT, Tavis gamoCenis uniWobiT. im ramdenime sityvasac ki ar vambobT, sakuTari identobis parolad mainc rom gamogvadgeba. mSobliuri, originalidan sxvaTa gasagebad mxolod imitom viTargmnebiT ase uemocio, arafrismTqmeli eniT, rom Cvenive wiaRSi Cakirul im ramdenime sityvas ar vgavdeT, romlis zusti Targmani ar arsebobs. Cven dRes jer kidev imiT gvidgas suli, rac sxvebisTvis gaugebaria, amouxsnelia, niWis, erovnuli TviTSegnebis, `CamorCenilobiT~, Cven gviyvars imaTi moswavleobiT Tavgamodeba, vinc Cvens `moZRvrebs~ Segirdadac ar gamoadgebodaT, yvelaze mZime droa patara erebisTvis, iseTi aTaswlovani erebisTvis, rogoric Cven varT. sayovelTao `humanurobis~ ideiT, yvelaSi da yvelaferSi gaTqvefiT iseT kerZs amzadeben, romelic RmerTis sakurTxad ar gamogvadgeba.
– `ra ena waxdes~. . . ras fiqrobT Tanamedrove qarTvelis metyvelebaze?
– arcerTi wmindanad Seracxuli ar uwamebiaT ise, rogorc Cven vawamebT qarTul enas. piris niSnebis, brunvisa da uRlebis Tanamedrove `meTodika~ imdenad amazrzenia, rom kidevac kargad gvesmis erTmaneTis, amitomac aris televiziis, publikis, socialuri sivrcis `pedagogTa~ gakveTilebidan verc azri gamogvaqvs da verc safiqrali, Jurnalisti rom ityvis `saxalxo damcvelobis moadgileo~ da ase Semdeg, raRa unda gagvikvirdes, `ToqSouebis elitam~ ki `barbarosad~ gviqcia dedaboZi, skolaSi swavlebis ucnaurma da yovelwliurad cvalebadma meTodikam bavSvs rusTaveli da guramiSvili SeaZula, universitetis studentma ar icis realuri da literaturuli gmirebis warmomavloba. erTi sityviT, Cven miviReT enobrivi `kastebi~ da samwuxaro isaa, rom rac ufro `elitarulia~ es kasta, miT ufro gaugebaria maTi qarTuli.
– Tqveni damokidebuleba literaturuli procesebisa da literaturis kritikosebisadmi. . .
– bodiSs vixdi namdvili, piruTvneli kritikosebis winaSe, magram dRes yovel literaturul jgufs, mimdinareobas Tu kavSirs Tavisi karis kritikosi hyavs. erTmaneTs vaqebT da erTmaneTSi vanawilebT SemoqmedebiTi miRwevebiT mopovebul sigel-gujrebs, faratina diplomebs. amas imitom ki ar vambob, rom maT Soris ar moviazrebi, ubralod, Zalian gagviubralovda naRdi gamarjvebiT gamowveuli sixaruli, TviTkmayofilebam gadafara mTavari saTqmelisadmi damokidebuleba. ori wlis win mec damajildoves giorgi erisTavis saxelobis sigeliT da dRemde ar vici – risTvis… didi dramaturgi me ar var da arc Teatraluri kritikosi gaxlavarT. . . ara, umaduri ki ar var, madlobis meti ra meTqmis maT mimarT, vinc gamixsena, magram Cven sigelebis, premiebis da medlebis mimarTulebebsac ki gza avurieT – oRond gavceT da miviRoT da imas ar vkiTxulobT, raSi, ratom, risTvis? dRes yvelaze upasuxismgeblo droa imisTvis, rom jer kiTxva dasva da mere pasuxi gasce, radgan yovelive es did pasuxismgeblobas moiTxovs. Cven pasuxs vagebT yvela sakuTar sityvasa da qmedebaze, STamomavloba winaprebs yvelaze metad daumsaxurebel saxelsa da saxravs ar patiobs. araferi iSleba ukvalod, Tu Rirseuli Tanamedroveni ar vyofilvarT, Rirseul winaprebad mainc davberdeT, magaliTi mainc davutovoT imisa, rom swored maSin ar egebis yvelafris miReba, roca amis uamravi SesaZlebloba arsebobs.
– roca ucxo qveyanaSi giwevT yofna, umTavresad ra ipyrobs Tqvens yuradRebas?
– bednieri saxeebi, Rimili, imediani mzera da, vfiqrob, rogor mouxdeboda aseTi Rimili dedamiwaze yvelaze lamaz qarTul saxes, ramden rames da ra ubralod daarqmevda bednierebas imas, ris saZebneladac gadaixvewnen adamianebi samSoblodan.
– Cveni tradiciebi – Tqveni TvalTaxedviT.
– Cemi mosazreba arcTu damajerebeli iqneba zogisTvis, amitom mTlianad daveyrdnobi rene genons – did frang moazrovnes: `tradicia WurWelia, romelsac maRali Rirebulebebi gadaaqvs Taobidan TaobaSi~. . . vfiqrob, dasazustebeli araferia.
– cifruli realoba, `CeTbotebi~, xelovnuri inteleqti wers da xatavs da ase Semdeg. es epoqaluri gamowveva adamianisaTvis, bevrs afrTxobs, bevrs – piriqiT.
– dRevandeli cifruli realobisTvis Zalian Zveli var, TiTqmis arqauli, amitom Zlivs viswavle kompiuteris gamoyeneba. ubralod, vici, rom dRes mis gareSe xelmokveTili xar, urTierTobis Seuvali Suamavalia da mec, minda Tu ara, iZulebuli var, mas mivmarTo.
– mwerali, romlis gacocxlebasac isurvebdiT da masTan dialogs gamarTavdiT. . .
– Cemma pirvelma romanma `saydris Citebma~ iseT didebul mwerlebTan urTierTobis bedniereba momaniWa, rogorebic iyvnen oTar CxeiZe, otia ioseliani, oTar WilaZe da sxvebi. maTTan gatarebuli TiToeuli wuTi CemTvis saukunis gakveTili iyo. bevri ram damrCa naTel mogonebad, magram yvelaze metad damamaxsovrda baton oTar WilaZis sityvebi: `aTi kacidan mxolod samisTvis wers mwerali, Svidi mainc ver gaigebs~. . . dRes yvelaze metad swored masTan saubars visurvebdi.
– aT mcnebas Soris umTavresi, romlis darRvevas miuteveblad miiCnevT. . .
– `ara hqmne Tavisa Senisa kerpi~ – ai, am mcnebis darRvevidan iwyeba adamianis TavkerZoba. Tu sakuTar Tavsa da Sens Semqmnel ufals Soris zRvars waSli, aRzevebis, ampartavnebis, gadidkacebis iluziebiT, mere cxrave mcnebas daarRvev da Tanac – aTasgvari gamamarTlebeli argumentiT. adamians saocari `niWi~ aqvs, mis mier daqceul mcnebaTa nangrevebze gamarjvebulis amayi poziT idges. . . monaniebamde.
– dro, romelSic cxovrebas isurvebdiT.
– sul mcire, ori saukunis win mainc unda mecxovra. am drois rom ar var, es ukve dabejiTebiT vici. roca dros ar axsovxar, mere sakuTari Tavis daviwyebac advilia, me ki yvelafers vakeTeb amisTvis.
– Tqveni usayvarlesi wigni da, saerTod, wignebs xSirad ubrundebiT wasakiTxad? romel enebze kiTxulobT?
– axalgazrdobaSi TiTqmis yovel wels vkiTxulobdi konstantine gamsaxurdias `mTvaris motacebas~, grigol robaqiZis `gvelis perangs~, mixeil javaxiSvilis moTxrobebs, `jayos xiznebs~, Seqspiris piesebs, tolstois `omi da mSvidobas~, dostoevskis, Cexovs. . . imitom ki ara, Tavi wignierebiT momewonebina, ubralod, suls sWirdeboda, gonebas, Tvalsawiers, mindoda, dedaCemis Semdeg Cemi Tavi ise aRmezarda, ugunurebis megobrad ar davrCeniliyavi. ar vici, rogor SevZeli, magram is mainc vici, Zval-rbilSi wignierebagamjdari adamiani, sxvas arasodes daamcirebs, advilad ar atkens guls da maradiuli Rirebulebebis uxmauro msaxuric iqneba, poezias ki yoveldRe vkiTxulob – arc graneli da arc galaktioni ikiTxavs, rodis gewvios. adamianSi sulis gadarCena mxolod esTetikurobis mZafr SegrZnebebs SeuZlia.
– madliereba, sinanuli, miteveba – Tqveni mimarTeba am zneobriv unarebTan. . .
– madliereba da sinanuli adamianis Rirebulebebia, miteveba – RvTisa da RvTiuri. Tu Cven mxolod imitom vcodavT, rom mere RmerTTan mxolod mitevebisTvis mivideT, sinanuliT Tavs namdvilad ver moviwonebT, Caudeneli danaSaulebebis warmosaxvac ki amZafrebs sinanulis grZnobas, romelic Tavs dagaxrevinebs jer adamianis, mere RvTis winaSe. es samive adamianuri urTierTobis ganmsazRvrelia da misi maragiT ganizomeba adamianuri sawyisis sawyaoc.
– baTumelebs axlac axsovT TqvenTan, Tqvens poeziasTan Sexvedra sajaro biblioTekaSi. axla Cvens mkiTxvelebs xvdebiT. ras etyviT maT?
– madlobis meti ra meTqmis. madloba yvelas, visac raRaciT daamaxsovrda is Sexvedra. marTalia, Zalian ar miyvars `dRis saRamoebi~, magram is dRe erT-erTi RirsSesaniSnavi iyo CemTvis.
– dasviT kiTxva, romlis dasmasac isurvebdiT da upasuxeT.
– kiTxvis dasmas gonierebac sWirdeba da gambedaobac. kiTxvis damsmelma im savaraudo pasuxis sami sityva mainc unda icodes, romelsac gascemen da isic, rom is Wkvianuri pasuxi gadafaravs naxevrad sulelur kiTxvas. . . Wkvianurad dasmuli kiTxvebi yovelTvis brZnul pasuxebs iTxovs, me ki, jerjerobiT, arc erTi var da arc meore. amomwuravi pasuxis gacema mxolod momavals xelewifeba.
