,,ჩვენ ვირჩევთ ცივილურ მეთოდებს ჩვენი ამბების მოსაყოლად”
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gvinina merisea, profesiiT filologi, evropaSi pirveli qarTuli internet-televizia `meranis~ Jurnalistia. igi emigrantebs ara mxolod saintereso ambebiT udgas gverdiT, aramed mraval saWiro informacias awvdis msoflios nebismier qveyanaSi legalurad cxovrebisa da muSaobis Sesaxeb, aseve, ucxoelebs Cvens kulturas aziarebs. dRes igi Cveni gazeTis stumaria.
– ramdeni xania, rac milanSi cxovrobT da TqvenTvis ra aris emigrantoba?
– weliwadze metia, rac aq var da jer ver vgrZnob emigraciis im mxares, rasac adamianebi ucxoeTSi ganicdian, Tumca xSirad vambob da aqac vityvi, rom emigraciis gza Zalian `mopirkeTebulia~ CemTvis da Cem Semdeg CamomsvlelTaTvis. amaSi udidesi wvlili im adamianebs miuZRviT, romlebic aTeuli wlebia aq cxovroben da warmoudgeneli Sroma aqvT Cadebuli, rom Tundac me an vinme Cemnairma Tavi emigrantad ar igrZnos. maTi Zalian madlieri var. garda amisa, ar gtovebs SegrZneba, rom miuxedavad imisa, fizikurad aRar xar saqarTveloSi, guliT da gonebiT iq unda iyo da cali xeliT misi gamojanmrTeleba SeZlo.
– ras gulisxmobT?
– Cveni qveyana dauZlurebulia konfliqtebis omis, mravali imedgacruebis gamo, mas metis mocema ar SeuZlia. axla Cveni droa, rom davubrunoT is energia, rac mas Zlier da Semdgar saxelmwifod aqcevs.
– gazeT `aWaris~ mkiTxvels ras etyviT Tqvens mravalmxriv profesiul saqmianobaze, ra mizans emsaxurebiT milanSi?
– televizia, asociacia da biblioTeka – sami saqme SeviTavseT. Cveni umTavresi mizania, viyoT iq, sadac jansaRi da Zvirfasi qarTuli saqme keTdeba. ramdenad bevric ar unda viyoT ucxoeTSi, sabolood Cveni ricxvi mainc cotaa. aq ufro metad Cans kargic da cudic da Tu vinmes ufro met dadebiTs aCveneb, ar SeiZleba, man ar `mogbaZos~. gansakuTrebiT faseuli mainc qarTuli biblioTekaa. CvenTvis aq qarTuli wigni gacilebiT Rirebulia, mizani ki Zalian martivi da SeiZleba banaluricaa: Cveni Tanamemamuleebis gverdiT vidgeT, roca vWirdebiT.
– axseneT televizia, asociacia da biblioTeka. . . TiToeul maTganze ras gvetyviT?
– kulturuli asociacia `meranis~ bazaze dafuZnda rogorc biblioTeka, ise televizia. Cemma dedobilma sakuTari saxsrebiT daaarsa orive. axla erTad vagrZelebT am saqmianobas. vmarTavT uamrav qarTul-italiur RonisZiebas, sadac ucxoelebs Cvens kulturas vacnobT. garda amisa, Cvenive sacxovreblis erT oTaxs biblioTekasac vuTmobT, saidanac wignis gatana ufasoa. televiziac ki Cvens saxladaa gadaqceuli. vinc am saqmes kargad icnobs, aucileblad mixvdeba, ramden sirTulesTanaa dakavSirebuli yoveldRiur reJimSi axali ambebis epicentrSi yofna.
– Tqven qmniT sivrces, sadac emigraciaSi myofi Tanamemamuleebi sulier sazrdos pouloben, Tumca es yvelaferi moiTxovs did Sromas da Tqvens Zvirfas dros. . . rogor axerxebT amdeni saqmianobis SeTavsebas da xarisxianad miwodebas?
– geTanxmebiT, udidesi dro miaqvs. zogjer tirilamde viRlebiT da vfiqrobT, rom `xval~ aRar gveqneba, Tumca viRviZebT, aRmovaCenT, rom mTeli Rame kvlav am saqmeze vfiqrobdiT da diliT iwyeba yvelaferi axlidan. amis energias adamianebi gvaZleven. viRacisTvis mniSvnelovania Cveni arseboba, Zvirfasia imis gaazreba, rom viRacas sadRac egulebi. rac mTavaria, CvenTan negativs ver ipoviT da swored aq vawydebiT sirTules. bednieri ambebis Segroveba martivi sulac araa, magram adamians, miT umetes, emigrants, ar sWirdeba kidev meti sadardebeli. vcdilobT, maTTvis nugeSi viyoT, gavamxnevoT da davaimedoT.
– TqvenTvis ra aris?
– moqmedeba da mizani.
– rogori SegrZnebaa, rodesac ucxo miwaze viRacisTvis sasicocxlod mniSvnelovania Tqveni arseboba?
– Zalian Zvirfasi SegrZnebaa. me uzomod emociuri adamiani var da gulwrfelad geubnebiT, rom Zalian vxarob, Tuki viRacas vegulebiT. Cven vcdilobT, emigracias ara mxolod saintereso ambebiT vedgeT gverdiT, aramed mraval saWiro informacias vawvdiT msoflios nebismier qveyanaSi legalurad cxovrebisa da muSaobis Sesaxeb, swored amas emsaxureba gadacema `mig.racia~, romlis meSveobiTac msoflioSi mimofantuli sxvadasxva profesiis emigrantebi gvawvdian dokumentur masalas legaluri cxovrebisa da muSaobis Tu nebismieri sxva uflebis Sesaxeb.
– TqvenTvis ra aris literatura da raSi gexmarebaT wigni?
– wigni adamianis TviTganviTarebis yvelaze Zlieri iaraRia. rac ufro mets vkiTxulobT, miT ufro rTulia Cveni motyueba, radgan ukve SegviZlia gavarCioT namdvili sicruisgan, politika – danaSaulisgan, kultura – marazmisgan. amitom mgonia, rom ar unda gavCerdeT. progresi uwyveti unda iyos.
– ra akavSirebs gvinina meriseas da poezias erTmaneTTan da ra aris Tqveni STagonebis wyaro?
– poeziam Seqmna gvinina merisea rogorc pirovneba am saxeliT da gvariT. es isaa, ramac Cems sulSi Zalian xangrZlivi vadiT daido bina da swored is berketia, romelsac Cemi azrisa da poeziis dasafiqsireblad viyeneb. Cemi STagonebis wyaro is gzaa, romelic gaviare, Tumca warsulze metad momavali STamagonebs. mjera, rom imaze bevrad Sromatevadi saqme melis win, vidre warmomedgina. kalami iseve, rogorc funji, ubralod damxmare sagnebia, rom SiSveli xelebiT ar ibrZolo.
– ra asakidan daiwyeT wera, xatva da ras wagvikiTxavT sakuTari poeziidan?
– Cemi bavSvoba werisa da xatvis gareSe ar maxsendeba. TiToeul epizodSi sadRac mindorSi vzivar CemTvis, vxatav da mTel Cems emocias masSi vdeb. Cemi yvela sixaruli Tu wyena mTlianad xelovnebaSi gadamaqvs. raRacnairad SevZeliT kidec, leqsebis sami krebuli gamogveca, Tumca am poeziam albaT, Caiara. vfiqrob, momavalSi saTqmels mebrZoli qalebisTvis vityvi, Cemi Semoqmedeba xom isedac maTzea – Cemze da Cemnairebze. . .
cav da
Wala-Wala,
yaneb-yaneb,
beri fuZes cavda,
yvelze Wadi gamiTavda,
momitane, cav da.
beRel-beRel,
naliaSi nisli
yorebs wnida,
wvimda buxris sakvamurSi,
abdaliviT wvimda
da wveTebi isusxvidnen
TeZos jinWris foTlebs,
fanjaraSi mama cavda
Zvlebgapoxil sofels.
mere balax, mere bulax,
merec kidev crida,
vaSlis ZirSi obol talaxs
qusli aekida.
modioda bilikebze
suni Zveli odis,
RmerTo, Wraqs rom vanaTebdi,
im dRes rad ar modi,
RamiT rad ar modi, RmerTo,
me rom sisxlfer kabas
misworebda sxvisi deda,
mcavda sxvisi baba.
Rele-Rele
wnelis mkerdSi
susxi kertebs wovda,
me videqi saxlis win da
araferi mqonda.
garda mTis da garda miwis,
arc aravin myavda,
Cemo RmerTo, sad iyavi,
sxva RmerTi rom mcavda.
– rogor da sad gesaxebaT Tqveni momavali?
– yvelgan, sadac SevZleb Cemi qveynis interesebis dacvas, sadac vityvi, vin var, saidan var da rogori minda viyo imisTvis, rom Cemi da sxvisi momavlis SeqmnaSi wvlili Sevitano. Cemi italiaSi cxovrebis gadawyvetileba saukeTeso arCevani iyo da amavdroulad, uzarmazari pasuxismgebloba, radgan yvelaferi kargi, rasac aq vxedav, minda Cemians vaswavlo. ar aris advili, Tumca SenTvis Seketil yofnas – arc swavlobde da arc sxvas aswavlide, cxadia – sjobs.
– rogorc viciT, saqarTveloSi mimdinare procesebis paralelurad, milanSi, duomoze qarTveli studentebis mier organizebul aqciaSi, saxelwodebiT `saqarTvelos evrointegraciisTvis~, Tqvenc monawilebdiT. . . ukve ukan gawveul kanonproeqtSi ra safrTxe dainaxeT, ramac gagiyvanaT aqciaze?
– ukrainis omis dawyebis dRidan Cven Zalian xSirad varT duomoze, vmonawileobT nebismier manifestaciaSi, sadac mniSvnelovania, saRi azri ismodes. iq varT ara mxolod televizia, aramed calkeuli moqalaqeebi, studentebis CarTuloba ki Cveni Sromisa da protestis TvalsaCino Sedegi iyo. ukve did Zalad viqeciT, romelic aucileblad gaagonebs xmas mTel msoflios, rom Cven varsebobT da gvinda simSvidesa da TavisuflebaSi gavagrZeloT cxovreba. . CemTvis am bavSvebis aq arseboba Zlieri xerxemalia. davZlie SiSi da vici, rom marto ar var gansxvavebuli ideebis mqone adamianebSi. maTi imedi maqvs, radgan Cven erTi mizani gvaerTianebs – gvqondes damoukidebeli da Zlieri saxelmwifo!
es kanoni, pirvel rigSi, saqarTvelos evrointegraciis process uqmnis safrTxes maSin, rodesac rogorc iqna, Cveni qveyana asparezze gamovida da ruseTis provinciad aRar moviazrebiT, radgan, Cvenda samwuxarod, jer kidev ase gvicnoben.
– ris safuZvelze ambobT, rom kanonproeqti saqarTvelos evrointegraciis process uqmnida safrTxes?
– pirvel rigSi, es kanonproeqti Cvens uflebaTa evropul konvencias arRvevs. kanonis araswori interpretaciis mravali magaliTic gveqneba, radgan ar mjera am sistemis gamWvirvalobis. samoqalaqo sazogadoebis Sesustebis mcdeloba aris imis dasturi, rom Cven moveqceviT diqtatorul reJimSi, rasac ver davuSvebT, radgan Cvens saxelmwifoSi demokratia jer kidev araa iseTi myari. amitom samoqalaqo Segneba gvavaldebulebs, jansaR prioritetebze vkoncentrirdeT da ara iseT kanonebze, romlis RerZi warsulSi ukan dabrunebaa.
– aqciaze Zalian saintereso warwerebiT iyaviT, erT-erTi JRerda Semdegnairad: `me var damoukidebeli saqarTvelos Jurnalisti da ara – Jurnalistka~. . .
– Cemi mTavari saTqmeli swored isaa, rom cenzuris dro damTavrda. adamianis yvelaze didi Sinagani kultura sxvisi sityvis mimarT pativiscemaa, riTac avtomaturad sakuTar Tavs scems pativs. sakmarisia, rac movyeviT miwisqveSeTidan. ukve simaRleze amovediT da SegviZlia, Tamamad visaubroT imaze, rac gvawuxebs, rac gvixaria. namdvilad ver davuSveb, sxvisi karnaxiT dawerili teqsti wavikiTxo, Tuki is Cems Rirebulebas ar emTxveva, Tu is Cemi auditoriis keTildReobisken araa mimarTuli.
– ras gvetyviT Tqvens Taobaze?
– Cemi Taoba Zalian Tamamia, zogjer zedmetad xistebi varT, Tumca es xdeba maSin, rodesac gvexebian. Cven aravis vaviwroebT. sxvisi cxovrebis Cvens cxovrebasTan gadakveTa ar xdeba. pativs vcemT Cveni ideologiisTvis miuRebel adamianebsac ki, amitom sazogadoebisganac imaves viTxovT. rogor warmogidgeniaT, me sakuTari saxli kargad moviwyo da moxuci mSobeli gareT davtovo imitom, rom mas saxlis rekonstruqciis idea ar moswonda? Cven yvela erTi didi ojaxi varT. Cven mTeli eris siZlierisTvis, mSvidobisa da jansaRi samoqalaqo cxovrebisTvis vibrZviT.
– Tqven socqselSi gamoaqveyneT aqciaze gadaRebuli video, sadac xelSi giWiravT ulamazesi naxati. gogona ukrainis droSis ferebSi, warweriT , video ki dasaTaurebuli gaqvT ase: `Cven kidev bevrs da bevrjer movyvebiT saqarTveloze~. ras gulisxmobT?
– es feradi gogona ukrainis droSis ferebSi, Cemi naxatia. sxvaTa Soris, frTaze warwera aqvs ukrainis himnidan: `suls da sxeuls gavcemT Cveni TavisuflebisTvis~. mtkivneulia, roca gzRudaven. me es vici, sakuTar Tavze maqvs gamocdili, amitom ar SemiZlia, mSvidad vuyuro Cemi eris dauZlurebis mcdelobas. mosayoli namdvilad bevria saqarTveloze da amis valdebulebas vgrZnobT Cveni qveynis winaSe, Tumca swored imitom, rom ganviTarebis umaRles donezea mTeli samyaro, Cven virCevT civilur meTodebs Cveni ambebis mosayolad. saqarTvelo imsaxurebs, msofliom icodes mis Sesaxeb. evropuli faseulobebi ki mudam iyo Cvens erSi. Tumca axla SesaZleblobebis areali gafarTovda da Cven kidev ufro meti unari gvaqvs msofliosTan sakomunikaciod.
– ra ganapirobebs qveynis warmatebas da keTildReobas?
– erTianoba da urTierTpativiscema, is, rom SeiZleba me ar momwondes sxvisi cxovrebiseuli morali, Tumca aucileblad pativs vcemde da mis gverdiT vidge, rodesac amis saWiroeba aqvs da axla amis aucilebloba aris mTels erSi. Zalian Zlierebi unda viyoT.