,,ჟურნალისტის პროფესია ჩემთვის ყველაზე აღმატებულ ხარისხში დგას”
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Cveni stumaria xulos municipalitetis `socialuri servisebis centris~ direqtori oTar gelaZe.
– batono oTar, wlebis ganmavlobaSi Jurnalistur saqmianobas eweodiT. ratom airCieT es profesia?
– baTumis pedinstitutis damTavrebis Semdeg, rogorc filologi, sofel kortoxis saSualo skolaSi vmaswavleblobdi. maSin raionuli gazeTis `koleqtiuri Sroma~ redaqtori gaxldaT CvenSi cnobili literatori, saqarTvelos mweralTa da JurnalistTa kavSirebis wevri nodar ZirkvaZe. misi TxovniT, gazeTis JurnalistTa Soris movxvdi. es iyo 1985 wels. mere es saqme ise Semiyvarda, rom axlac SiSnarevad vfiqrob, gazeTSi miusvlelobiT ramden karg rames an kidev ramden karg vinmes davkargavdi. baTumis pedagogiur institutSi swavlisas, TiTqmis oTxi weli gaxldiT saswavlebelSi gamomavali yovelTviuri satirul-iumoristul Jurnal `niangis Canglis~ redaqtori. Jurnalistis profesia CemTvis, yvela profesiasTan SedarebiT, aRmatebul xarisxSi dgas. siamayiT mavsebs is, rom Cemi yvelaze lamazi wlebi Jurnalistikas mivuZRveni.
– redaqtorebidan da kolegebidan magaliTis momcemad vis daasaxelebT?
– redaqtorebTan gamimarTla. aki giTxariT, nodar ZirkvaZis daJinebuli TxovniT movxvdi gazeT `koleqtiur SromaSi~. im periodSi Cemma aw gardacvlilma megobarma adgilobriv gazeTs daabeWdvina Cemi leqsi `zamboris Rame~. im dRidan `damadga Tvali~ batonma nodarma. sxvaTa Soris, am leqsma Segvaxvedra erTmaneTs me da SemdgomSi Cemi kargi megobari zurab zoiZe. yoveli Sexvedrisas saubars am leqsiT iwyebda. momdevno redaqtori ioseb abulaZe, zogjer – nervebis da xSirad sagazeTo statiebis `amwewi~, Zalian ganaTlebuli pirovneba iyo, kargi statiebis `gamocxoba~ exerxeboda. misi didi Rirseba is iyo, rom yvelanair situaciaSi Tavdauzogavad icavda TanamSromels. misgan bevri ram viswavle. zurab tunaZe Zalze gawonasworebuli redaqtori da pirovneba gaxldaT. xulos sinamdvileSi, is erT-erTi pirveli, profesionali Jurnalisti iyo, metad Tavmdabali kaci. igi Cven, axalbedebs, Tavs srulfasovan Jurnalistebad gvagrZnobinebda. pativs scemda kolegebis nafiqr-naazrevs, arasodes `dagiCexavda~ saTqmels, maSinac ki, roca partiuli cenzura niadag `hyofda cxvirs~ gazeTis samzareuloSi. es CvenTvis yvelaze didi waxaliseba iyo. Tu uadgilo ar iqneba, aqve getyviT, rom Cemi sayvareli (vgulisxmob gazeTebs) redaqtorebi iyvnen nugzar jafariZe, elizbar javeliZe da, gansakuTrebiT, Tamaz wivwivaZe!
– im wlebSi xulos mravali mwerali, msaxiobi, reJisori stumrobda. interviu, romelmac saxelovan pirovnebebTan dagakavSiraT. . .
– maxsendebian muxran maWavariani, moris focxiSvili, lia eliava, oTar koberiZe, dimitri jaiani… piradad arcerTisgan interviu ar amiRia im martivi mizeziT, rom maSin es saqme e. w. mSromelTa werilebisa da socialur sakiTxTa ganyofilebas evaleboda (zustad ase iyo), Tanac maSin im ganyofilebaSi niWieri Jurnalistebi oTar iakobaZe, nargiz dekanaZe, amiran abulaZe saqmianobdnen. ase rom, iq `zedmeti~ viyavi, Cven sxva ganyofileba gvebara.
– Jurnalisti xSirad sxvas akritikebs. kritikuli statiis gamo Tavadac kritikis obieqti Tu gamxdarxarT?
– yurs cudad xvdeba: `Jurnalisti xSirad sxvas akritikebs~. yvelaferSi xom ar SeiZleba kritika dainaxo, vinmes azri xom unda gaiTvaliswino? am Temas, albaT, pasuxad moergeba Wabuaseuli sentencia, asineTa rom axmovanebs: `ori kaci rom deinaxavs da geigonebs~. . . Se, kaco, iqneb ar gakritikeb, ggulSematkivrob an rCevas gaZlev. dafiqrdi, gaiazre, umal nu daiwyeb qvebis Segrovebas. rac Seexeba Cemi, rogorc Jurnalistis, kritikis obieqtad yofnas, erTi ambavi maxsendeba: msusxavi statia davwere erT zomaze metad gazuluqebul funqcionerze. jer wauyrua, mere, mavanTa waqezebiT da misi ramdenime samsaxurebrivi xelqveiTis xelmowerebiT, kritikiT momitrialda. pasuxic miiRo. didxans dumda gulnatkeni, bolos Semirigda da, Tu mas davujerebT, gulwrfelad nanobda.
– sagazeTo statia, romelsac saTuTad inaxavT?
– ar arsebobs pirveli da danarCeni. TiTqmis yvela statia maxsovs da miyvars. mravalTagan ramdenimes movigoneb: maxsovs, erT dRes Cemi kolega qalaqidan dabrunda samsaxurSi da macnoba, rom Cemi statia `Rorjomi da Rorjomelebi~, romelic gazeTma `sabWoTa aWaram~ dabeWda, Tvis saukeTeso werilad eRiarebinaT da sapatio adgili mieCinaT dafaze. usazRvrod gavixare. cotas kidev wavitrabaxeb: erT-erT redaqtors TanamSromlebTan saubarSi Cems statiaze `gaiReT mowyaleba~ uTqvams: Sedevri dauweriao. mere aWaraSi cnobilma fotokorespondentma Salva arTmelaZem gamaxara: xaris weliwadi dgeboda, statia davbeWdeT saTauriT: `hamo, gamiwiT xarebo!~. gazeTis es nomeri redaqtor nugzar jafariZis xelSi moxvedrila da SalvasTvis ukiTxavs, vin aris, gamacanio. samwuxarod, batoni nugzari ise gardaicvala, rom ver Sevxvdi.
– Tqveni, nargiz dekanaZis da gazeTis yofil redaqtor zurab tunaZis warmomadgenlobiT organoSi arCevas gazeTis daxurva mohyva. vin ver upatrona TiTqmis saukunis win daarsebuli adgilobrivi gazeTis memkvidres?
– Cven warmomadgenlobiT organoSi 2014 wels mivediT, gazeTi `xulo~ ki gacilebiT adre daixura… bevr sxva gamomcemlobasTan erTad, gazeTis gawirva winaswar iyo gamiznuli, miT umetes maSin, roca aravis ainteresebda Sps-ad qceuli gazeTis bedi. es maSinac naTlad gamoCnda, roca warmomadgenlobiT organoSi myofi sami yofili Jurnalistis azric aravin gaiTvaliswina. unda iTqvas, rom periodulad xdeboda mizeruli Tanxebis moZieba, magram es gazeTisaTvis zRvaSi wveTi gaxldaT. sakanonmdeblo organodan veras gavxdiT da garedan vin ras gagvikeTebda? ase uSedego jaxirSi, mavanis daudevrobiT Tu ugergilobiT, Tvalsa da xels Soris gaqra xuloelTa erTaderTi mematiane.
– ra Sexedulebis xarT Tanamedrove qarTul Jurnalistikaze?
– sul axlaxan iyo, komunistebs gundruks rom vukmevdiT. ar izamdi da. . . SigadaSig, cenzuris miuxedavad, mainc vaxerxebdiT simarTlis Tqmas. mere `meoTxe xelisuflebam~ Tavisufleba moipova, asparezi gaifarTova, gainavarda da Tqva saTqmeli. axla vxedavT, rom Tavisuflebamopovebulma Jurnalistikam TandaTan am Rirebulebis daTmoba daiwyo. ra Tqma unda, yvelaze amas ver vityvi, magram rCeba STabeWdileba, rom bolo wlebSi erTgvari partiuli Jurnalistika Camoyalibda. daakvirdiT: yvela moRonierebul politikur gaerTianebas Tavisi Jurnalistebi hyavs da saqme saqmeze rom midgeba, mama-marCenali politikuri jgufebis saameblad, erTmaneTs nebismier sivrceSi ukeTurs akadreben, Tanac dRisiT, mzisiT. vecade, Tavi Semekavebina, magram ver SevZeli, arasasurvel Sefasebas vakeTeb axla, rodesac qarTuli Jurnalistikis da Cveni avtonomiuri respublikis `dedogazeT~ `aWaris~ dafuZnebis Tvea!
– rogor afasebT qalebis rols Tanamedrove JurnalistikaSi?
– Jurnalistika maTi saqmea. am SefasebaSi gamoricxulia yovelgvari maamebloba. SexedeT, yovel diliT rogori siTbo da sinaTle SemoaqvT samsaxurebSi. SemoqmedebiTac rogori nazebi, Tbilebi arian, Tumca – Seupovrebic da samarTlianebic. sadac qali ar aris, iq bevri keTili saqme igvianebs an saerTod ar keTdeba.
– Jurnalistebi da politikosebi xSirad kamaToben. . .
– politikis gverdiT Jurnalistebis dayeneba miWirs, Tumca, profesiis gamo, maTi gverdze gadgomac ar SeiZleba. Tu marTali Jurnalisti xar, zogjer Tavic gadadebuli unda gqondes. dedamiwis yvela da yvelaze cxel wertilSi erT-erTi pirvelebi Jurnalistebi Sedian da bolos isini gamodian (ramdeni verc gamovida). Jurnalists, metwilad, Tavisi survilis sawinaaRmdegod, iq uwevs yofna, sadac ar unda. igi, pirvel rigSi, upartio da yvelas Jurnalisti unda iyos.
– bolo wlebSi xulo centraluri televiziebisa da gazeTebis yuradRebis arealSi moeqca. . .
– gvian Sercxva istorias da wminda andria pirvelwodebulis naRvawi gacxadda. axla erma da berma icis, rom sofel didaWaraSi, Tarangelos beqobze mdgari eklesia araTu saqarTveloSi, mTel evropaSi pirveli iyo! kargia, rom ramdenime wlis win xixanis cixis bediT dainteresda saxelmwifo da sarestavracio samuSaoebic daiwyo, Tumca, dRes es procesi garkveuli droiT SeCerebulia. metia saTqmeli sacixuris cixeze, dRes kedlebis mcire naSali da duRabi romaa SemorCenili. yvelasTvis saamayoa, televiziebi xSirad rom iwveven ansambl `bermuxas~. kargia, rom mTeli qveynis yuradRebis fokusSi arian moqceuli xuloelebi, mTeli xulo Tavis beSum-goderZ-mwvane tbianad. erTi sityviT, sasiamovno SegrZnebaa, roca cxadad ikiTxeba, rom xulo, bevri mimarTulebiT, didi momavlis municipalitetia.
– 102 wlis win – martSi dafuZnda gazeTi `aWara~. am gazeTis roli Tqvens cxovrebaSi?
– TiToeul Jurnalists guliTadad vulocav qarTuli Jurnalistikis dRes. rac Seexeba gazeT `aWaras~: es aris aWarisa da aWarlebis Wirisa Tu lxinis warmomCeni, maTTan erTad naomari da valmoxdili gazeTi. igi Cems sayvarel gazeTTa CamonaTvalSi sapatio da `saprizo adgils~ ikavebs. wlebis win, rogorc Jurnalisti, mivlinebuli viyavi baTumis saarqivo Tu samuzeumo uwyebebSi, sadac, SesaZleblobebis farglebSi, moviZie da Seviswavle gazeT `aWaris~ biografia. saintereso masalebs periodulad vaqveynebdi gazeTSi `xulo~. axlac maqvs pirad arqivSi gadanaxuli `aWaris~ winamorbedi gazeTebi (`proletaruli brZola~, `fuxara~, `sabWoTa aWaristani~, `sabWoTa aWara~), maSin rom moviZie.
– adgilobrivi gazeTebis redaqtorebidan pirveli iyaviT, romelmac xulodan qveynis sxva regionebSi gadasulebi moinaxuleT. maTTan urTierTobas Tu agrZelebT?
– is ramdenime dRe keTil mogonebad SemorCa mexsierebas. im samaxsovro eqspediciaSi Cemi monawileoba Tqveni uSualo damsaxurebaa. mas Semdeg am TemiT aRaravin dainteresebula. amitomac gemadlierebian, batono oTar, dResac marneulis, walkis, ninowmindis, axalqalaqis, aspinZis axalmosaxleebi xulodan da Suaxevidan, me ki yvela is statia, romelic Tqven am eqspedicias miuZRveniT da gazeT `aWaraSi~ dabeWdeT, uklebliv Senaxuli maqvs. aWaridan gadasulebs, drogamoSvebiT, axlac vstumrob, gansakuTrebiT walkisa da marneulis municipalitetebSi, iq bevri sisxliT naTesavi myavs.
– ramdenad marTebulad migaCniaT xulodan Warbi SromiTi resursis sxva regionebSi gadanawileba?
– vfiqrob, es aucilebelic iyo. erT periodSi xulos raionSi Svidi aTasze meti ojaxi iyo ormocdaoTxi aTasamde mcxovrebiT. rom ara maTi ganTesva, sad daeteoda dRes maTi namravli? Cemi azriT, iq gadasulebi gacilebiT kargad grZnoben Tavs yvela mimarTulebiT.
– axlac utevs stiqia xulos soflebs. . .
– bolo dros masobrivad icvleba da icleba xulos soflebi. gekiTxebiT – vin an ra gaaCerebs amas? sityvierad kargia sofeli, magram mosaxleoba rom davamagroT, ra alternativas vTavazobT?! es yvelaferi mtkivneulia CemTvis, magram dgeba momenti, roca sakuTari survilis winaaRmdeg gviwevs wasvla. amis brwyinvale magaliTia vaJa-fSavela. igi gvmoZRvravda: `barSi rom kvali daikargeba, mTaSi Seinaxeba~, magram SeWirvebis Jams Tavad Caudga saTaveSi TuS-fSav-xevsurTa kaxeTSi Casaxlebas. saTqmels ki kargad cnobili sityvebiT davasruleb: `mTa casTan midgmuli kibis safexuria, saidanac RmerTi Camovida xalxTan~, me ki kivilamde misuli xmiT gafrTxilebT: nu mivatovebT RmerTebis sabrZaniss!

