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jer kidev 2009 wels, roca naTia jimSeleiSvilma xelovanTa sazogadoeba `mzis Teatri~ daafuZna da Tavisi inovaciuri proeqtebis ganxorcieleba daiwyo, imTaviTve cxadi gaxda, rom kulturis sferos am axalgazrda, niWieri qalbatonis saxiT erTguli moRvawe Seemata
bevris mTqmelia, rom aRniSnuli sazogadoebis egidiT araerTi kulturul-saganmanaTleblo, saqvelmoqmedo da sxva saxis RonisZiebebi imarTeba, romelTa warmatebas naTia jimSeleiSvilis kreatiuloba ganapirobebs. saTqmelia isic, rom qalbatoni naTia mravalmxrivi interesebiT gamorCeuli pirovnebaa: wers leqsebs, qmnis musikas, mReris, cnobili Jurnalistia, pedagogi, mwerali da yuradRebas ipyrobs Tavisi SemoqmedebiTi aqtiurobiT. misi leqsebi Targmnilia inglisur, Turqul da italiur enebze, ibeWdeba literaturul gamocemebSi. qalbatoni naTias cxovrebis TiToeuli dRe SemoqmedebiTi siaxleebisa da Ziebis suliskveTebiTaa aRsavse. gamocemloba Sps `uqimerionis~ direqtorisa da mTavari redaqtorisTvis samkaulebisa da aqsesuarebis dizaineroba esTetikurobisa da sulieri srulyofis gzaa, romelsac warmatebiT adgas – is am sferoSic popularulia. amasTan, gamoirCeva sazogadoebrivi saqmianobiT. am didi SemarTebisa da energiis wyaro ki misi winaprebi, is rwmena da siyvarulia, romelic asazrdoebs da aZlierebs. dRes qalbatoni naTia Cveni gazeTis stumaria da Tavis azrebs gviziarebs.
– kalendaruli Tu sulieri dabadebis TariRi? romels aRniSnavT da, saerTod, ra azris xarT dabadebis dReebis sazeimo aRniSvnaze?
– rogorc naTqvamia, pirvelad biologiurad ibadebi, meored maSin, roca Seni amqveynad movlinebis sakuTar misias aRmoaCen. me orive dabadebis dRe miyvars, biologiuric da sulieric. biologiurs weliwadSi erTxel aRvniSnav, suliers ki yoveldRe.
– xe fesvebiTaa Zlieri, adamiani – wanaprebiT. roca Tqvens winaprebs ixsenebT. . .
– winapari, rogorc gesmiT sityvidan, ganimarteba wina piri, anu Senamde arsebuli pirovneba. winas gareSe ar arsebobs momdevno, me maTi aRmonaceni var da cxadia, sasicocxlod saarsebo mniSvneloba aqvs, Tu vin da rogori iyo Cemi winapari. CemTvis maTi arseboba didad saamayoa, radgan vinc maxsovs da vinc gadmocemiT vici, yvela meamayeba. gansakuTrebiT Cems SvilebTan miyvars Cemi didi bebiebis da babuebis xseneba, maTi lamazi ambebis saSualebiT vacnob, visi genisa arian.
– tradicia da dRevandeloba ramdenad Tavsdeba erTmaneTTan da erovnuli cnobierebis gasaRrmaveblad upirates sazrunavad ra gesaxebaT?
– tradiciebis dacvac miyvars. roca winapars xSirad vixseneb, cxadia, maTi cxovrebis detalebs siamovnebiT viziareb, Tumca vfiqrob, rom tradiciisa da dRevandelobis Serwyma ise lamazad da umtkivneulod unda moaxerxo, rom arc erTs avno da arc meores. me miyvars siaxleebi, am siaxleebSi sinTezurad devs siZvele da amaSia mTeli esTetikuri siamovneba. erovnuli ki cnobierebis gasaRrmaveblad upirvelesi sazrunavia. ar gadaviyvaroT Cveni samSoblo misi rTuli pirobebis gamo, radgan es sirTuleebi, pirvel rigSi, Cveni, adamianebis damsaxurebaa. ukeT unda gavicnoT Cveni qveynis warsuli, dRevandeloba da Cveni siyvarulis damsaxurebiT unda gavimdidroT erovnuli cnobiereba. erovnuli cnobierebis asamaRleblad upirvelesi misia akisria ganaTlebas.
– ojaxi eris sarkea, eris siZlieris wyaro… rogori ojaxebia dRes saqarTveloSi?
– samwuxarod, wevrdafantuli ojaxebi ufro metia (ar gamoviyene sityva `daSlili~). es dafantuloba bevri mizezis gamoa ganpirobebuli, erT-erTi swored qveynis mdgomareobiT gamowveuli ekonomikuri pirobebia. meore – piradi SeuTavseblobis mizezebi da ase Semdeg, Tumca aris iseTi ojaxebi, romlebic namdvilad saamayoa Tavisi simSvidiT, siyvaruliT da erTiani organizmis SegrZnebiT. iseTi ojaxebic gvxvdeba, garedan rom SeniRbulad bednieri Cans da SigniT aTasgvari mankierebiT dgas ufskrulis pirze.
– Tu erTi adamiani usmens, mwerals mSvidad SeuZlia akeTos Tavisi saqmeo – am Sexedulebas iziarebT?
– gaaCnia, romel mwerals usmens. sinamdvileSi mwerlis xma misi uzenaesobis, eris xmaa. mwerlis misia swored is aris, rom Segoneba misces ers Tavisi nawarmoebebiT. mTavari saTqmeli misi literaturuli siuJetebia, poetisTvis – leqsi. iyo dro, roca mwerals Wkuas ekiTxebodnen da usmendnen, iyo dro, roca mweralTa kavSiris mTavari sityvis eSinoda xelisufalT, radgan maTi azri mTavari wertili iyo. dRes es radikalurad Semotrialda, mwerals aRaravin usmens. yovel SemTxvevaSi, maTi sityviT gadawyvetilebas aravin iRebs, amitomac veRar varT mSvidad, misi uzenaesobis – eris xma aRar aris mkafio xelisufalTaTvis.
– SegvaxedeT Tqvens SemoqmedebiT laboratoriaSi – rogor werT, ras werT, sad aqveynebT. . .
– Cemi Semoqmedeba mravalmxrivia, aqedan gamomdinare, ara marto vwer. . . magram SekiTxvis Tanaxmad mogaxsenebT, rom kalami da sityva CemTvis mTavari simboloebia cxovrebaSi. araferi iseTi Zvirfasi ar maqvs, rogorc kalami da araferi iseTi Zlieri da mgrZnobiare, rogoric sityva. orive sicocxlis arsad miRirs. sami wignis avtori var. im asakidan `vwer~, roca wera ar vicodi. Cemi leqsebi Targmnilia inglisur, Turqul da italiur enebze, ibeWdeba literaturul gamocemebSi da xSiri poeturi saRamoebiT midis sazogadoebamde.
– empaTiuri adamiani xarT? sazogadoebaSi yofna girCevniaT Tu ganmartoeba?
– empaTiuri var, SeZlebisdagvarad mesmis Cem irgvliv adamianebis, Tumca bolo dros sityvieri protestis grZnobac amimaRlda da amas samarTlianad aRviqvam. aqedan gamomdinare, socialuri pirovneba var da marto yofna didad ar mxiblavs. Tumca aris xandaxan saWiroeba, rom mxolod Cems egosTan davrCe da visaubro.
– vin migaCniaT Tqvens literaturul maswavleblad da ratom? ra zegavlena iqonies maT Tqvens pirovnebasa da Semoqmedebaze?
– am SemTxvevaSi, albaT, mkiTxveli klasikosTa CamonaTvals elodeba, romlebsac marTla didi gavlena aqvT Cems literaturul gemovnebaze, magram viqnebi gansxvavebuli da Tanamedroveobas vcem pativs am SemTxvevaSi. Cemi pirveli leqsebi moxvda iseTi kargi poetebis xelSi, rogorebic iyvnen lili nucubiZe, zurab kuxianiZe da Tornike erisTavi. maT mniSvnelovani kvali datoves Cems SemoqmediT ganviTarebaze.
– roca bunebaSi xarT, rogor kiTxulobT mis wigns, ras swavlobT misgan da uziarebT sxvebs?
– CemTvis bunebis umniSvnelovanesi wigni, ualternativod, adamiania. TviTon buneba Zalian mamSvidebs, am dros ufro romantizmSi viZirebi da Cemi SemoqmedebiTi produqti ver aris meamboxe, rogorc tkivilis dros dawerili leqsi.
– yvelaze mouTmenel Zaladobad ra migaCniaT? CvenSi mkveTradaa gazrdili agresiuli foni. amis mizezi siRrmiseulia Tu mxolod socialuri faqtorebiTaa ganpirobebuli da sadaa gamosavali? isic saTqmelia da sawyeni, rom bednieri qveynebis ricxvSi Turme 90-e adgilze varT…
– CemTvis Zaladoba yvela formiT mouTmenlia. did pativs vcem gawonasworebul adamians, meamboxes, emociurs, mebrZol, aRelvebul adamiansac ki, magram moZalade adamiani CemTvis nebismier SemTxvevaSi miuRebelia. agresiuli foni yovelTvis iyo, aris da iqneba aqtualuri, romelsac sxvadasxva socialuri mizezi aqvs, magram Zaladoba mxolod amis Sedegi araa, Zaladobas fesvi aqvs da is siRrmiseulia. es imdenad vrceli Temaa, rom intervius formaSi mxolod am pasuxiT Semovifarglebi. Tumca, aqve aRvniSnav erTs, rom arasdros, arsad, arcerT viTarebaSi ar Seveguebi Zaladobas bavSvebze, radgan, pirvel rigSi, isini Tavs ver icaven, meore is, rom amiT vzrdiT momaval moZalades.
– cifrul epoqaSi vcxovrobT. didi gadatvirTva da gadawyoba cvlis adamianis fsiqikas, Sexedulebebs. zogi robotizaciis safrTxezec alaparakda. ras ityodiT maT gasagonad, rogor warmogidgeniaT kacobriobis momavali?
– amiT rom RmerTs vSordebiT, es maSinebs yvelaze metad, arada, yoveldRiurobad gveqca. mxolod imas vityvi, rom RmerTs daSorebul adamians veranairi civilizacia ver ixsnis, piriqiT, gagvigonia gadaSenebuli civilizaciis Sesaxeb. imedia, aqamde ar miva kacobrioba.
– Tqveni xvalindeli dRe rogor gesaxebaT, anu Tqveni proeqti, romlis ganxorcielebasac apirebT. . .
– Zalian imediani da riskiani adamiani var. xvalindeli dRe imdenad warmatebulad mesaxeba, rom es ar maZlevs mSvidad dgomis saSualebas, radgan zustad vici, arasdros arcerTi warmatebisTvis martivad ar mimiRwevia. aqedan gamomdinare, mTeli ZalisxmeviT vibrZvi im sinaTleSi gasvlisTvis, sadac uflis nebiT, kargi ambebi melodeba rogorc pirad, aseve, sazogadoebriv cxovrebaSi. uaxloesi ramdenime proeqtic am sinaTlis elementia.
– ra gvaqcevs adamianad? Tqveneuli xedva, anu gza gankacebisa. . .
– mokled da konkretulad – ori ram: rwmena da siyvaruli.
– gemovnebaze ar davoben Tu piriqiT, unda vidavoT da uari vuTxaraT mdares? Toq-Souebi, mxatvrulad susti nawarmoebebi anagvianeben cnobierebas. gamosavali?
– mTeli cxovreba mesmis – `gemovnebaze ar davobeno~, gaaCnia, ra SemTxvevaSi. vfiqrob, ar vidavoT, magram vimsjeloT mainc, ra aris misaRebi da ra – ara. rac Seexeba Toq-Souebs, amaT gemovnebasTan araviTari kavSiri ar aqvT, amaze unda vidavoT ki ara, saWiroeba moiTxovs, rom viomoT, radgan, socialuri sivrce da media dRes mTavari `aRmzrdelobiTi~ sistemaa, rac ubinZuresi propagandistuli masaliT aris gajerebuli. ugemovnobam SeCveva icis, WiriviTaa da veRar moiSoreb, amitom unda vidavoT.
– damcrobili kultura dabali kulturis adamianebs amravlebs. ara marto simdidriT da regaliebiT, aramed sakuTari codniT Tavis mowoneba cudi toni romaa, ver gaugiaT araerT prestiJul saswavlebeldamTavrebulebs. . .
– SeiZleba gqondes umaRlesi ganaTleba, magram ar gqondes Sinagani kultura. es swored Sinagani kulturis simwiriTaa gamowveuli. cudi tonia, rasakvirvelia, im sazogadoebaSi upiratesad warmoaCino Tavi ybedobiTa da mkvexarobiT, romelsac SensaviT prestiJuli saswavlebeli ar daumTavrebia. TavmdablobaSi saocrad lamazad Jonavs Seni inteleqti da amaze kargi sanaxavi araferia.
– Tqveni urTierToba aWarasTan, mogonebebi, survilebi. . .
– aWara Cveni patara qveynis udidesi istoriis mqone kuTxea. gansakuTrebuli adamianebi cxovroben, ramdenime maTgans movinatreb kidec, imdenad axloblad vTvli. bevri sasiamovno viziti maxsovs, SemoqmedebiTic da piradic. usiamovno adamianebi, rogorc cxovrebas sCvevia, imereTSicaa, aWaraSic da yvela sxva kuTxeSic, maTi gaxseneba Rirebulebas ver qmnis, amitom me im stumarTmoyvare da gulian adamianebze vamaxvileb yuradRebas, vinc Cems aWaraSi minaxavs.
– kiTxva, romelic gsurdaT da ar damisvams. . . dasviT da upasuxeT.
– Zalian bevri SekiTxva darCa am intervius miRma, radgan amasac Tavis formati aqvs, Tumca, erTaderTi aseTi SemiZlia gamovyo: ras etyodiT saqarTvelos farglebs gareT mcxovreb qarTvelebs? qarTvelebo, sadac unda iyoT, darCiT qarTvelebad, radgan es iseTi genia, rom veranair moralur da principul Senarevs ver itans. bevri qveyana raRaciT hgavs erTmaneTs, magram saqarTvelo aravis hgavs, is erTia, rogorc RmerTi. iamayeT qarTvelobiT.
