,,პოეტები პოლიტიკაში მხოლოდ მაშინ ვერთვებით, როცა ქვეყანას უჭირს”
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saqarTvelos winsvlas da warmatebas mniSvnelovanad ganapirobebs efeqturad gatarebuli saSinao politika, rac gulisxmobs ekonomikur keTildReobas, civilizebul politikur garemos, mmarTvel gundsa da opozicias Soris konsensuss qveynisTvis mniSvnelovan sakiTxebze, evroatlantikur struqturebSi gawevrianebas, uromlisodac progresi SeuZlebelia. es cxadyo baltiispireTis qveynebis magaliTebma, romlebic ara marto ekonomikurad ganviTarebuli, aramed usafrTxoebis TvalsazrisiTac daculi arian natos mxridan, rac Cvens realobaSi sayuradReboa. ruseTis agresia ukrainisadmi amis TvalsaCino magaliTia. am parametrebis mixedviT, rogori suraTia saqarTveloSi? – swored amis Taobaze `droas~ aWaris organizaciis xelmZRvaneli, poeti genri doliZe gvesaubreba.
– saqarTvelos Sida politikaze visaubroT. ra TaviseburebebiT xasiaTdeba bolodroindeli movlenebi, ra aspeqtebs gamohyofdiT?
– 7-8 martis movlenebma cxadyo, rom sazogadoebaSi dagrovilia ukmayofileba da didi muxti, rac gamowveulia xelisuflebis mier saxelmwifos uniaTo marTviTa da prorusuli kursiT. ukrainis omi wyalgamyofi aRmoCnda qarTvel xalxsa da `qarTul ocnebas~ Soris. Cveni mosaxleobis umetes nawils kargad aqvs gaazrebuli, ra pozitiuri Sedegebi SeiZleba mogvitanos evrointegraciam da ra damangreveli efeqti aqvs ruseTTan megobrobas, miT ufro maSin, rodesac ruseTi mTeli civilizebuli samyarosTvis Zaladobis, agresiis da sisxlisRvris simbolod iqca. ruseTisken gadadgmul nabijebs erTvis inflacia, maRali fasebi, gazrdili kriminali, korufcia, umuSevroba, emigraciiT gamowveuli demografiuli krizisi da totaluri nihilizmisa da uimedobis gancda, rac sazogadoebaSi udides muxts agrovebs. xalxi momwifda cvlilebebisTvis. opoziciuri partiebis mTavari amocanaa, Sida dapirispireba daZlios da saqmeze orientirebuli nabijebi gadadgas, daarwmunos xalxi, rom cvlilebas eqneba Sedegi, rom Seswevs Zala, reJimis gastumrebis Semdeg qveyana daabrunos demokratiul relsebsa da aRmSeneblobis gzaze, raTa igive wreze ar wavideT.
– Tqven uaryofiTad afasebT arsebuli xelisuflebis saqmianobas, Tumca mmarTveli partia ambobs, rom opozicia destruqciuli qmedebiTaa dakavebuli, Tanac, maTi TqmiT, qveyana viTardeba. . .
– `destruqciuli opozicia~, `satanistebi~, `omis partia~ – es aris putinis mesijboqsi, rasac tyupiscaliviT imeorebs Cveni xelisufleba. RaribaSvil-kobaxiZis gundi cdilobs, Tavisi uniaToba SemogvasaRos, rogorc `mSvidobis uzrunvelyofa~ da stabiluroba. am dros, calke aRebul stabilurobas saerTod ar gaaCnia dadebiTi konotacia, qveyanaSi viTareba stabilurad mZimea, stabilurad miviwevT belarusizaciisken maSin, roca qveynis gadasarCenad saswrafo da mkveTri nabijebia gadasadgmeli.
– amas winaT aSS-is saxelmwifo departamentma oTx qarTvel mosamarTles sanqciebi dauwesa. es raze mianiSnebs?
– am sanqciebiT dasavleTma ori signali mogvca: 1. saqarTvelos xelisufleba efloba rusuli modelis WaobSi, qveyanaSi aris korufcia da klanuri mmarTveloba, razec dasavleli partniorebi Tvals ar daxuWaven; 2. es sanqciebi unda iyos gakveTili yvela CinovnikisTvis, radgan Tu antidasavlur kampaniaSi CaerTvebian da ivaniSvilis klanis monuri morCilebis gamo Caidenen ukanonobas, am siaSi SeiZleba moxvdes nebismieri maTgani, anu am gadawyvetilebas erTgvari prevenciuli daniSnulebac aqvs. miuxedavad imisa, rom sanqcirebuli Cinovnikebi ixtibars ar itexen, yvelam kargad viciT, rom maT umravlesobas ojaxis wevrebi amerikaSi hyavs gaSvebuli saswavleblad, samuSaod Tu sacxovreblad. imeds vitoveb, rom es sia gafarTovdeba da amasTanave, aSS-Tan erTad evropac gamoiyenebs am meqanizms rusuli Zalebis Sesasusteblad.
– sxvaTa Soris, xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi acxadeben, rom aSS-is saxelmwifo departamentis verdiqti usafuZvloa. . .
– SeerTebuli Statebi aris supersaxelmwifo, sadac demokratiuli institutebi gamarTulad muSaobs. iq, saqarTvelosgan gansxvavebiT, erTi kaci ar iRebs gadawyvetilebas da rodesac saxelmwifo departamenti vinmes sanqcias uwesebs, es niSnavs, rom mTeli qveyana, xelisuflebis yvela Sto, aris pasuxismgebeli am nabijze.
– am bolo dros, saqarTvelos prezidenti salome zurabiSvili mmarTvel partias xSirad akritikebs, ra aris amis realuri mizezi da xom ar aris mosalodneli prezidentma axali partia Camoayalibos?
– miuxedavad imisa, rom salome zurabiSvili bolo ori welia qveynis saerTaSoriso imijis damcvelad gvevlineba, me mainc vfiqrob – igi jer kidev ivaniSvilis proeqtia da mis `gegma be~-s warmoadgens, pirvel rigSi, amis safuZvels maZlevs prezidentis gancxadeba parlamentSi, sadac man gamijna xelisufleba da misi Crdilovani mmarTveli, gaakritika RaribaSvil-kobaxiZis gundi da erTgvari komplimenti SeuTvala maT politikur patrons, biZina ivaniSvils, TiTqos, is politikidan wasulia da roca is iyo qveynis saWesTan, maSin dasavlur kurss safrTxe ar emuqreboda. saqarTveloSi bavSvmac ki icis, rom saqarTvelos xelisuflebis yvela Sto erTi kacis mier aris mitacebuli da misi personaluri gadawyvetilebis gareSe qveynis kurss ki ara, naTuras ver Secvlian kancelariis derefanSi. . . amitom, ar maqvs gancda, rom prezidenti, romelic ver bedavs sasacilo braldebiT dakavebuli politpatimris, gvaramias gaTavisuflebas, misi winamorbedis, mesame prezidentis sicocxlis uflebis dacvis garantobas, odesme gamova da realurad daupirispirdeba ivaniSvilis `rusul ocnebas~. SesaZloa, man marTla Seqmnas partia, magram es iqneba `qarTuli ocnebis~ axali ylorti. . . .
– sxvaTa Soris, saqarTvelos prezidenti arc opoziciis mimarT iSurebs kritikas. Tqveni azriT, amJamad opozicia ra mocemulobaSia, anu ramdenad Tanmimdevrulia Tavis miznebSi?
– ar mgonia, prezidentis saqme iyos opoziciis kritika, roca, misive gancxadebiT, xelisufleba rusul saqmes emsaxureba.
– ra damokidebuleba gaqvT im procesebis mimarT, rac `nacmoZraobaSi~ xdeba? amboben, rom xabeiSvili nominaluri lideria da partias realurad merabiSvili marTavs. . .
– me warmovadgen sxva opoziciur partias da ver gavakeTeb komentars `nacionaluri moZraobis~ SigniT mimdinare procesebze. yvela prodasavlur opoziciur Zalas vusurveb warmatebas.
– opozicia rom fragmentirebulia, cxadyofs isic, rom zogi parlamentis datovebas iTxovs, zogi parlamentSi saqmianobas mizanSewonilad miiCnevs, zogi kidev riggareSe arCevnebis Catarebas moiTxovs. Tqven romel pozicias iziarebT?
– opozicia ar aris erTi organizmi, ar unda dagvaviwydes, rom es aris gansxvavebuli adamianebis, gansxvavebuli azrebis, ideologiebis erToba, romelsac mxolod erTi saerTo amocana aqvs – ivaniSvilis gundis gastumrebiT qveynis evrointegraciis gzaze Semobruneba. vfiqrob, xmebis gayalbebiT dakompleqtebuli `ocnebis~ parlamenti, sadac opozicias aranairi qmediTi berketi ar gaaCnia, garda imisa, rom mikrofonTan gamovides da mwvave gancxadebiT guli moifxanos, formaluri da butaforuli organoa.
– Tqven gaerTiandiT partia `droaSi~ da aWaraSi misi xelmZRvaneli xarT. . .
– `qarTuli ocnebis~ damsaxurebiT, saqarTvelo, Tavisi damoukideblobis istoriaSi, yvelaze axlos axla dgas ruseTTan, qarTveli xalxi ki, garusebis safrTxesTan. yoveldRiurad, perspeqtivis, imedis, lukmapuris, samarTliani garemos saZebnelad Cvens qveyanas aTasobiT qarTveli tovebs, paralelurad, saqarTveloSi, gaurkveveli miznebiT, aTi aTasobiT rusi Semoedineba. am yvelafris Semxedvares grCeba ori arCevani, an emigrantTa did nakads SeuerTde da sazRvargareT gaxizno ojaxi, an daikapiwo xelebi, ipovo Tanamoazreebi da win aRudge rusul borotebis manqanas. partia `droa~ da misi lideri elene xoStaria CemTvis okupaciasTan brZolis simboloa, amitom gadavwyvite, SevuerTde gunds, romelic yvelaze axlos dgas Cems principebTan, RirebulebebTan da, rac mTavaria, aqtivistur suliskveTebasTan.
– yvela partia acxadebs, rom gansakuTrebulia. am mxriv Tqveni partia riT gansxvavdeba sxvebisgan? mmarTveli partia ambobs, rom `droa~ garkveulwilad `nacionaluri moZraobis~ filialia. . .
– pirvel rigSi, elene xoStaria aris gabeduli, Tavganwiruli, mebrZoli lideri, mas aqvs Tanmimdevruli pozicia da igi Tavidanve ar daxarbda deputatis savarZels – uari Tqva parlamentSi Sesvlaze. es imis dasturia, rom mas Tanamdeboba, komforti da piradi keTildReoba ar ainteresebs. `droas~ hyavs Semokrebili Tanamedroved da progresulad moazrovne profesionalebis gundi, romelTan erTad muSaobac CemTvis saintereso gamowvevaa. rac Seexeba xelisuflebis azrs, saqarTveloSi damoukideblobis mopovebis pirvelive dReebidan, sazogadoeba aris polarizebuli da nebismieri xelisufleba moqmedebs stalinuri principiT – `vinc CvenTan ar aris, is xalxis mteria~. es gaxlavT mizezi, rom yvela gansxvavebulad moazrovne individi da jgufi xelisuflebis TvalSi aris `naci~. magram mTavaria, rogor gvafasebs sazogadoeba da ara – mezRapre RaribaSvili.
– saparlamento arCevnebamde weliwadi darCa. rogor politikur suraTs unda velodoT?
– `qarTuli ocnebis~ bolodroindeli agoniuri mdgomareoba Zalian hgavs aslan abaSiZis `bolo Jamis~ nabijebs. vfiqrob, rac ufro moaxlovdeba arCevnebi, ufro met Secdomas dauSvebs xelisufleba da sakuTar qmedebebSive aixlarTeba. mas qveynis marTvis resursi ukve amowuruli aqvs, mTavaria, opoziciam droulad moaxerxos konsolidacia da Tanmimdevruli nabijebi gadadgas, Torem winasaarCevno formatSi gauWirdeba erTobisa da konsolidaciis demonsrtrireba.
– unda velodoT Tu ara 2024 wlis arCevnebSi koaliciuri mTavrobis Seqmnas da am mxriv opozicia ramdenad mzadaa erTmaneTTan TanamSromlobisTvis?
– ocdaaTi welia, Cveni qveyana erT wreze trialebs, TiToeul xelisuflebas arCevis momentSi aqvs maRali saxalxo legitimacia da saxelmwifoebrivad mniSvnelovani starti, Tumca uklebliv yvela maTgani kraxiT asrulebs moRvaweobas. amis mizezi ki is aris, rom absoluturi Zalaufleba ryvnis. yvela civilizebulma saxelmwifom gaiara es etapi da uklebliv yvelgan, swori ganviTarebisa da demokratiuli dRis wesrigis Camoyalibebis winapiroba iyo xelisuflebis danawileba. Cveni upirvelesi amocana unda
iyos sasamarTlo reforma da damoukidebeli marTlmsajulebis sistemis Seqmna, rasac Tan unda axldes mravalpartiuli mmarTveloba. im pirobebSi, roca erT xelSia Tavmoyrili sasamarTlo, prokuratura, Sss, susi, parlamenti, prezidentisa da saxalxo damcvelis institutebi da sazogadoebrivi mauwyebeli, Znelia xelisuflebis Stoebma urTierTkontrolis funqcia Seasrulos. koaliciuri, mravalpartiuli mmarTveloba am korufciuli Waobidan da ekonomikuri gamyinvarebidan erTaderT gamosavlad mesaxeba. rac Seexeba opozicias, wina arCevnebSi Cven movaxerxeT gverdze gadagvedo viwropartiuli interesebi, gansxvavebuli Sexedulebebi, urTierTsimpaTiebis nakleboba da cvlilebebisTvis gaverTianebuliyaviT. ase rom, TanamSromlobis precedenti da gamocdileba ukve gvaqvs, vfiqrob, rom momdevno arCevnebSi ar gagviWirdeba erToba.
– saubari ar wydeba `mesame Zalaze~, romelic konkurencias gauwevs mmarTvel partias da `nacmoZraobas~. am mxriv trios (`droa~, `strategia aRmaSenebeli~ da `girCi – meti Tavisufleba~) aqvs Sansi, gaxdes realuri mesame Zala?
– am sameulis gaerTianeba calsaxad pozitiuri movlenaa, radgan ocneba `dayavi da ibatones~ principiT axerxebs mitacebuli xelisuflebis SenarCunebas. am arCevnebSi gadamwyvet sityvas ityvis egreT wodebuli `SuaSisti~ amomrCeveli. mniSvnelovani iqneba TiToeuli aseTi xmis wamoReba opoziciur kalaTaSi. es ki mxolod im SemTxvevaSi moxdeba, Tu aseTi adamianebi dainaxaven Zalas da eqnebaT gancda, rom maTi xma ar daikargeba 5%-iani barieris miRma. am risks mxolod opoziciuri partiebis gamsxvileba Seamcirebs.
– sagareo sakiTxsac SevexoT: ra gavlena eqneba ruseT-ukrainis omis Sedegebs evropaze da, maT Soris, saqarTveloze?
– ruseT-ukrainis omma ukve iqonia garkveuli Sedegi Cvenze. man erTgvari katalizatoris funqcia Seasrula Cveni evrointegraciis saqmeSi da rogorc dasavlur ojaxSi gaerTianebisken xalxis Seuqcevadi survilis, aseve, xelisuflebis rusuli kursis lustracia moaxdina. bolo oras welze metia, Cveni suverenitetisa da saxelmwifoebrivi ganviTarebis mTavari mteri rusuli imperializmia. Sesabamisad, putinis damarcxeba da politikuri kraxi pirdapir gvixsnis gzas, aRvadginoT teritoriuli mTlianoba da Seuferxeblad viaroT dasavluri integraciis gziT.
– dabolos, ra surs axla yvelaze metad poet genri doliZes? ras etyvis Tanaqalaqelebs, Tavis samSoblos?
– Cemi yvelaze didi survilia, saqarTveloSi politikuri cvlilebebi moxdes rac SeiZleba male da xelisufleba ar gadaibaros mxolod erTma Zalam. mravalpartiuli demokratia, ganawilebuli pasuxismgebloba da dabalansebuli Zalaufleba avtomaturad dagvabrunebs im gzaze, romelsac zviad gamsaxurdias xelisuflebis damxobiT avcdiT. poetebi politikaSi mxolod maSin verTvebiT, roca qveyanas uWirs. es ar aris Cemi bunebrivi mdgomareoba, minda, male davubrunde xelovnebas da dRevandeliviT imis SiSi ar mqondes, rom erT dRes ruseTis federaciaSi gaviRviZebT.

