,,ოპოზიციას მეტის გაკეთება შეუძლია, მჭიდრო თანამშრომლობა და ერთმანეთთან კოორდინაცია გამარჯვების ერთადერთი ფორმულაა”
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opoziciur flangze ramdenime angariSgasawevi Zalaa, romlebic garkveulwilad, mosaxleobis nawilis interesebs gamoxataven, maT Soris, umTavresi `nacionaluri moZraobaa~, mTavari opoziciuri Zala, Tumca bolo dros partia datova ramdenime gavlenianma liderma. saubroben imazec, rom SesaZloa `nacmoZraoba~ yofilma Tavmjdomare nika meliam da misma gundmac datovon. partiasa da, zogadad, qveyanaSi mimdinare procesebze `aWaras~ `nacmoZraobis~ wevri, aWaris umaRlesi sabWos deputati giorgi kirTaZe esaubra.
– batono giorgi, vidre qveyanaSi ganviTarebul movlenebs ganvixilavdeT, manamde minda gkiTxoT, ra xdeba Tqvens partiaSi? cxadia, urTierTdapirispirebaa `nacmoZraobaSi~.
– samwuxarod, partia am periodisTvis oradaa gayofili. is molodini, rac iyo arCevnebis dasrulebis Semdeg, rom partia isev SeZlebda erTian, Zlier gundad Camoyalibebas, jer bolomde miRweuli ar aris, Tumca imeds vitoveb, yvelaferi kargad iqneba da `nacionaluri moZraoba~ isev SeZlebs, mTavari opoziciuri, Zlieri politikuri gundis saxiT wardges sazogadoebis winaSe. visurvebdi ukeTes situacias `nacionalur moZraobaSi~.
– Tqven, garkveulwilad, melias gundis wevri xarT. partiis axali lideris saqmianobas rogor afasebT? amboben, partiaSi gavlenebi merabiSvilma ganimtkicao. amaze ras fiqrobT?
– vfiqrob, arsebobs resursi, rom partiaSi sworad warimarTos dialogi da SevZloT erToblivad pozicionireba sazogadoebasTan. Sevecdebi, am Temis siRrmeebSi ar Cavide. levan xabeiSvili aris `nacionaluri moZraobis~ Tavmjdomare, romelic udavod maRali legitimaciiTaa arCeuli. mimaCnia, rom mas Zalian did gamowvevebTan uwevs axla gamklaveba da visurveb, maT Tavi gaarTvas. gamowveva mxolod Cvens partias ki ara, zogadad, qveyanas aqvs. `nacionaluri moZraoba~, rogorc erT-erTi yvelaze Zlieri politikuri partia, mTavari pasuxismgebelia imisa, rom qveyanaSi politikuri marTlmsajuleba dasruldes da amisTvis yvelaferi unda gaakeTos. is istoriuli Sansi evropasTan integraciis, rac axla aqvs Cvens qveyanas, xelidan ar unda iqnas gaSvebuli. am mimarTulebiT kidev erTxel vimeoreb, `nacionalur moZraobas~ mniSvnelovani pasuxismgebloba aqvs da imedia, amas Zalian kargad acnobierebs Cveni partiis Tavmjdomare. mxolod warmatebebs vusurveb mas. ra Tqma unda, mimaCnia, rom yvelaferi ise ar aris, rogorc unda iyos. visurvebdi, ukeT yofiliyo, magram vnaxoT. albaT jer kidev aris raRac dro da resursi saimisod, rom es yvelaferi gamoswordes.
– arsebobs mosazreba, rom nika melias gundi, maT Soris Tqvenc, partiis datovebas apirebT. . .
– amas amboben didi xania. . . mimaCnia, rom `nacionalur moZraobas~ jer kidev aqvs resursi, am qveynis momavlis partiad iqces, Tumca amisTvis saWiroa, SevZloT TamaSis swori wesebis damkvidreba, pirvel rigSi, partiaSi.
– ras gulisxmobT?
– kidev erTxel vambob, Riad da mkafiod, Cven arCevnebis dasrulebisTanave vTqviT, rom warmatebas vusurvebT gamarjvebul, ase vTqvaT, mxares, bolomde mzad varT, CaverToT yvela aqtivobaSi, rasac isini dagegmaven da asec aris. yvela aqtivoba, rac daigegma xabeiSvilis mier, iqneboda es aqciebi regionebSi Tu TbilisSi, maT Soris, 9 aprilis aqciaze piradad viyavi, asec vapireb gagrZelebas. im aqtivobebSi, sadac Cveni qveynis evropuli momavali, mixeil saakaSvilis da sxva politikuri patimrebis Tavisuflebis sakiTxi wydeba, yovelTvis bolomde viqnebiT CarTulebi, amitom, wasvlas ki ar vapireb, piriqiT, bevri gansxvavebuli politikuri lideris partiaa `nacionaluri moZraoba~ da imeds vitoveb, rom axali menejmenti SeZlebs amis sworad gacnobierebas. me da xabeiSvili raRac sakiTxze sxvadasxvanairad vfiqrobT, rac ar unda niSnavdes, rom levan xabeiSvili wavides partiidan, nika melia an giorgi kirTaZe. piriqiT, gansxvavebulad moazrovne adamianebma, romlebsac saerTo mimarTuleba da Rirebulebebi gvaerTianebs, unda SevZloT partiaSi Tanaarseboba. es Rirebulebebia Cveni qveynis evropuli momavali da xedva imisi, Tu ra aris amisTvis gasakeTebeli. partiaSi yvelani vTanxmdebiT, rom politikuri marTlmsajuleba unda dasruldes, rom evrointegracia mniSvnelovania, romelsac mohyveba sasamarTlo reforma, decentralizacia da sxva. SeiZleba vikamaToT, magaliTad, aqcia 9 aprils sjobda Tu 31 marts, an, saerTod, es aqcia mxolod `nacmoZraobis~ mier unda yofiliyo organizebuli Tu piriqiT – yvela politikuri partiis mier, magram am kamaTma ar unda gamoiwvios partiaSi axal menejmentsa da danarCen adamianebs Soris gaucxoeba. imedia, ase ar moxdeba.
– Tqven saakaSvili politikur patimrad moixsenieT, mmarTveli gundi ambobs, rom man pasuxi unda agos Cadenili danaSaulis gamo. ramdenad gamarTlebuli iyo misi Camosvla saqarTveloSi?
– imas, rasac amboben biZina ivaniSvili da vladimer putini, ar iziarebs danarCeni msoflio da ise, rogorc qarTuli sazogadoebis didi umravlesoba, mixeil saakaSvils miiCnevs politikur patimrad. ra Tqma unda, CemTvisac is, calsaxad, politikuri patimaria. imitomac zis cixeSi, rom am qveynisTvis bevri ram gaakeTa, Tavi ar daxara putinis winaSe, ioma agvistoSi. maSin, roca rusi tankiT modioda, ki arsad gaqceula, piriqiT, qveynis damoukidebloba, Tavisufleba da suvereniteti gadaarCina! amitomac isjeba dRes! am yvelafridan gamomdinare, wminda adamianuri TvalsazrisiT Tu SevxedavT, ar SeiZleba adamianma gaamarTlo misi Camosvla, imitom, rom is marTla, pirdapiri mniSvnelobiT, sikvdil-sicocxlis zRvarzea, nebismier wams, rogorc eqimebi amboben, SeiZleba misi sicocxle fatalurad dasruldes. kidev erTxel vityvi, am gadasaxedidan, ra Tqma unda, es SeiZleba ar iyo swori, Tumca politikur brZolaSi mixeil saakaSvili yovelTvis wina xazze idga, is kulisebidan arasdros marTavda, sxvebs ki ar aZlevda davalebas, piriqiT, brZolisa da Tavdadebis magaliTs aCvenebda yvelas, am gadasaxedidan ki arc aris gasakviri, rom is qveyanaSi Camovida.
– cxadia, xelisufleba da opozicia gansxvavebulad afaseben qveyanaSi arsebul mdgomareobas. am mxriv, `nacmoZraobis~ Sefasebebi ramdenad samarTliania?
– orniSna ekonomikuri zrda gvaqvso, sul amas gaiZaxian. Cvens qveyanaSi da qalaqSi xom vmoZraobT, konkretul adamianebs vxvdebiT da vxedavT maT problemebs, rogor SeiZleba, TviTkmayofil mTavrobis wevrebs vuyuroT?! es xom warmoudgeneli ambavia. siRaribe am qveyanaSi, samwuxarod, yoveldRiurad izrdeba. yvelaze cudi rac aris, im masStabis uimedoba da nihilizmi gvaqvs, yvela vfiqrobT qveynis datovebas. warmogidgeniaT, ra dReSia qveyana?! yvela aqedan gaqcevas cdilobs. imedi maqvs, arc me da arc Cveni axloblebi, vinc darCnen, am qveyanas ar datoveben da vinc arian wasulebi, isinic dabrundebian, magram am fonze rogor SeiZleba vTqvaT, rom raRac qveyanaSi kargadaa.
– mmarTveli gundi acxadebs, rom opoziciis SeniSvnebi, miT ufro, `nacmoZraobis~, usafuZvloa da Tanac Tqveni partia qveyanaSi destabilizacias gegmavs.
– `qarTuli ocneba~ gveubneba, rom eris istoriuli arCevani, evropisken svla, rasac Taobebi Seewira, ar aris prioriteti, CvenTvis mniSvnelovania axla `mSvidoba~ anu rusebTan axlos yofna. yvela is adamiani, vinc ambobs, rom ar egueba Cveni qveynis sagareo vertikalis ruseTisken Sebrunebas, maTTvis aris radikali opozicioneri, romelsac surs am qveyanaSi raRac anarqiis mowyoba. mTavroba gveubneba, rom unda SeveguoT arsebul realobas. Tu amas ar veTanxmebiT, destabilizacia gvinda?! destabilizacia ki ar gvinda, CvenTvis bunebriv, logikur, istoriul adgilas gvinda iyos Cveni qveyana, amitomac mivdivarT evropisken da es destabilizacia ki ara, erovnuli interesebis dacvaa. ar aris Sors is dro, roca es xelisufleba warsuls Cabardeba da istoria Zalian swrafad Seafasebs maT moRvaweobas.
– eqspertebi acxadeben, rom opozicia fragmentirebulia, aseve, satelevizio opoziciad gadaiqca garkveuli politikuri speqtri da Tu ase gagrZelda, gauWirdeba momaval arCevnebSi gamarjveba. am mxriv ra mocemulebaa da ras gegmavT?
– arCevnebi Cven ara gvaqvs! am qveyanaSi amis naTeli magaliTi Cveni qalaqic iyo! pirveli, Cven gvaqvs mosapovebeli arCevnebi da darwmunebuli var, nebismier, samarTlianobasTan miaxloebul arCevnebSic ki `qarTuli ocneba~ qveynis masStabiT katastrofulad damarcxdeba! rac Seexeba opozicias da mis sisustes – qveyanaSi gvaqvs klasikuri avtokratiuli mmarTveloba. avtokratiul mmarTvelobaSi, ra Tqma unda, opozicia aris susti, radgan masze zemoqmedebis bevri berketi aqvs xelisuflebas da am yvela berkets iyenebs ivaniSvili, es aris daSineba, mosyidva, SantaJi… Tumca am pirobebSic ki qarTul opozicias moeTxoveba ufro meti. mimaCnia, rom am qveyanaSi jer kidev arsebobs Tavisufali sityva, arsebobs televiziebi, romlebic ar aris biZina ivaniSvilis kontrolqveS, iWeren nika gvaramias, sisxlis samarTlis saqmeebi aqvs aRZruli, Tumca, amis miuxedavad, es televiziebi arseboben, arseboben aseve arasamTavrebo seqtori, sazogadoebrivi moZraobebi da politikuri partiebi, romlebmac unda SeZlon imgvari mWidro koordinacia erTmaneTTan, rom realuri winaaRmdegoba gavuwioT `qarTuli ocnebis~ propagandas. mimaCnia, rom opozicias metis gakeTeba SeuZlia mWidro TanamSromlobiT da koordinaciiT. es aris gamarjvebis erTaderTi formula, rodesac opozicia erTmaneTs Tavs ki ar esxmis, aramed piriqiT, sworad aris organizebuli da `qarTuli ocnebis~ propagandas sworad upirispirdeba, sazogadoebaSi aCens rwmenas imisa, rom warmovadgenT Zalas, visac SeuZlia `qarTuli ocnebis~ damarcxeba. me erTian sias ar vgulisxmob, vgulisxmob mWidro koordinacias, iseTs, rogoric iyo baTumSi, roca gansxvavebulma adamianebma SevZeliT erTi magidis irgvliv yofna da sazogadoebisTvis kargad axsna imisa, rom vaxtang kaloiani, armaz axvlediani, genri doliZe, irakli kupraZe, giorgi kirTaZe, miuxedavad gansxvavebuli partiuli kuTvnilebisa, SeZleben erTad muSaobas. es winasaarCevnod kargad vaCveneT.
– cxadia, umniSvnelovanesia saqarTvelosTvis kandidatis statusis miReba. dasavleTidan am bolo dros pozitiuri signalebi ismis. ras fiqrobT, es risi damsaxurebaa?
– calsaxad, es aris 7-8 martis aqciebis damsaxureba. Cven gvyavs xelisufleba, romelic yvelafers akeTebs, raTa davSordeT evropas. amis miuxedavad, evropa ar gagvwiravs mxolod imitom, rom qarTveli xalxi amas marTla imsaxurebs da xalxma es, maT Soris, 7-8-9 martis aqciebiT daadastura. evropasTan daaxloebisken gadadgmuli nabiji iqneba im xalxis damsaxureba, vinc 7-8-9 marts kbilebiT icavda am qveyanas.
– mmarTveli gundis gancxadebiT, realurad, opozicia araa dainteresebuli kandidatis statusis miRebiT, rom Semdeg qveyanaSi destabilizacia moawyon.
– amas xom konkretuli mizezi aqvs. is, rom klav mesame prezidents cixeSi, is, rom damoukidebeli televiziis direqtors warmoudgeneli braldebiT iWer, rusuli kanoni, ris miRebasac apirebdnen, sasamarTlosTan mimarTebaSi, TviTmmarTvelobaSi rasac akeTeben, yvela es nabiji gadadgmulia erTi mizniT – Sors viyoT evropisgan. yvelam kargad icoda, rom nika gvaramias daWera maSin, roca ganixileba Seni qveynis kandidatis statusi, mTavari winaRoba iqneboda. swored imitom daiWires gvaramia, rom evropas uari eTqva CvenTvis, xval kidev ufro uaress gaakeTeben, amaSi Rrmad var darwmunebuli. rac ufro naTeli iqneba signali imisa, rom evropa apirebs qveyanas kandidatis statusi mianiWos, `qarTuli ocneba~ miT met sisuleles gaakeTebs.
– dabolos, ruseT-ukrainis omis Sedegi ra SesaZlebloba an gamowveva SeiZleba gaxdes evropisTvis da, maT Soris, saqarTvelosTvis?
– ukrainelebis gmirulma brZolam Tavisuflebis, damoukideblobis dasacavad ukve gamoiRo Sedegi da is, rom Cven yvelaze axlos varT mTeli Cveni arsebobis istoriaSi evropasTan, ra Tqma unda, qarTveli xalxis brZoliT da sisxliT mopovebul damsaxurebasTan erTad, aris ukrainelebis damsaxureba, romlebmac msoflio wesrigi Secvales. maT Zalian mkafio gaxades yvelasTvis, rom arsebobs TeTri da Savi. es Savi, ubedureba da boroteba aris ruseTi da am planetaze mcxovrebi adamianebi vimsaxurebT ukeTess. Cven, rogorc am regionis erT-erT mTavar moTamaSes, ukrainam warmoudgenlad didi SesaZlebloba gagvixsna am mimarTulebiT da, ra Tqma unda, yovelTvis madloba unda gadavuxadoT. . . asec viqceviT, magram ara xelisufleba, aramed xalxi. uamravi qarTveli jariskaci ibrZvis ukrainaSi, rac Zalian mniSvnelovania. samwuxaroa, rom am brZolaSi 40-ze meti daRupuli gvyavs.

