“გული და გონება მუდმივად ფიქრთა კორიანტელშია”
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Jurnal `WoroxSi~ ana sisvaZis leqsebi rom wavikiTxe, gadavwyvite, Sevxmianebodi am axalgazrda poets. is araerT literaturul gamocemaSi ibeWdeba, popularulia internetsivrceSic. jer mxolod 19 wlisaa. gasaxaria, rom warmatebiT daiwyo SemoqmedebiTi gza. ana mravalmxrivi interesebiTaa gamorCeuli, amasTan, gulmodgine da bejiTi studentia, warmatebiT eufleba qarTul filologias da imeds aCens, rom momavalSi kvals datovebs am sferoSi.
– sakuTar personas rogor warmogvidgenT?
– simarTle giTxraT, sakuTar Tavze sajarod iSviaTad vsaubrob . . . albaT, Zalian martiv da mimtevebel adamianad. yvelafris patieba SemiZlia, xandaxan rTulad, magram mainc. wvrilmanebi mabednierebs xolme. guriaSi davibade da gavizarde, warmoSobiT ki imereTidan var, jer mxolod 19 wlis. 4 da myavs da 1 Zma, isini Cemi simdidre arian. yvelaze umcrosi var da miyvars imis aRniSvna, rom swored maTi damsaxurebaa Cemi aqamde mosvla im saxiT, rogoric var. xalxi pozitiur adamianad micnobs. SeiZleba imitomac, rom guriaSi, kerZod, ozurgeTSi gavizarde. mogexsenebaT, gurulebi iumoris didi grZnobiT gamoirCevian, rac, vfiqrob, mec namdvilad maxasiaTebs. amboben, rom mosiyvarule da Tbili var. Zalian miyvars adamianebTan saubari da bevri ufrosi megobaric myavs. yvelaze metad fiqri maxasiaTebs, sadac da rogorc ar unda viyo, Cemi goneba da guli mudmivad fiqrTa koriantelSia gaxveuli.
– Tqveni leqsebi araerT literaturul gamocemaSi ibeWdeba . . .
– gasuli wlis agvistoSi ozurgeTSi kulturis centrma gamarTa poeziis saRamo, sadac `literaturuli guriis~ redaqtori, batoni Temur marSaniSvili gavicani. pirvelad swored man dabeWda Cemi leqsebi gazeTis seqtembrisa da oqtombris nomrebSi. gasuli wlis noemberSi qalbatonma Tamar SaiSmelaSvilma gamomiqveyna leqsebi literaturul Jurnal `aneulSi~, dekemberSi `WoroxSic~ daibeWda, am wlis ianvarSi batonma soso siguam – `mwerlis gazeTSi~, batonma gizo TavaZem – `mwvaneyvavilaSi~, batonma amiran gomarTelma ki `ciskarSi~ gamomiqveynes. didi gancdebi axlavs imis danaxvas, rom Seni Semoqmedeba konkretul sazRvars scdeba, ar aris garkveul CarCoebSi Caketili da misi gacnoba nebismier mkiTxvels SeuZlia. zogierTi maTgani Tavad damikavSirda mas Semdeg, rac `poeziaris~ gverdze ganTavsda Cemi leqsebi, zogierTs Tavad davukavSirdi. am adamianebma udidesi motivacia da biZgi misces Cems cxovrebas. yvelaze moxaruli da bednieri ki imiT var, rom isini ukve Cemi ufrosi megobrebi arian, magaliTad – batoni gizo. masTan saubari didi siamovnebaa, aseve – batoni mixo beroSvili, romelsac ukve mixo papas veZaxi. igi Cemi uZvirfasesi megobari da saukeTeso mrCevelia, masTan nebismier Temaze SemiZlia saubari da bednieri var, rom gavicani. pirvelad rom daibeWda Cemi leqsebi, maSindeli gancda mainc dauviwyaria. maxsovs is wuTebi, batonma Temurma rom maxara es ambavi, ubednieresi viyavi da axlac Jruanteli mivlis gaxsenebaze. mas Semdeg, rac TbilisSi gadmovedi saswavleblad, bevri Tanamedrove poetis Semoqmedebas gavecani. vfiqrob, Cemi SemoqmedebiTi etapebis ganviTarebaSi maT Zalian didi wvlili miuZRviT.
– Tqveni STagonebis wyaro, anu rogor modis TqvenTan azri, gancda, romelic mere leqsad unda gaasulieroT . . .
– iciT, rTulia amis Tqma. zemoT vTqvi, rom Zalian bevrs vfiqrob. xandaxan es fiqrebi TiTqos ararealuria da realobad mxolod poeziaSi iqcevian. isini ar gaZleven mosvenebas da Ramis sami saaTic rom iyos, Sen unda daikavo kalami xelSi da amoTqva is yvelaferi, rac swored amas moiTxovs Sengan. es SeiZleba iyos siyvarulze fiqri, samSobloze, rwmenaze, RmerTze, an ubralod, erT Cveulebriv gamvlelzec ki . . . fiqris xazi xom uwyvetia. albaT amitomaa, rom Tu adamiani erTxel gamocdis sityvis Zalas – poezias, mere Tavs veRar anebebs, an Tu SeZlebs amas, mudmivad mainc raRacis danakliss grZnobs.
– ra aris Tqveni sawuxari da ra gixariaT?
– bevri ram mawuxebs da bevric mixaria. maTi CamoTvla rom daviwyo, albaT veRar gavCerdebi, Tumca gamoyofac SeiZleba. pirvel rigSi, qveynis bedi mawuxebs, imaze fiqri, rom jer kidev mtris uRlis qveS aris moqceuli da ver iSorebs ruseTis klanWebs. samagierod, maxarebs Cemi Taoba, romlis lanZRvac xSirad mesmis, Tumca sul cota xnis win yvelam kargad davinaxeT axalgazrdebis Zala. vgulisxmob martis aqciebs. amaze sul wminda ilias leqsi maxsendeba: `Cemo kargo qveyanav, razed mogiwyenia? awmyo Tu ara gwyalobs, momavali Senia!~. aseve, Zalian mawuxebs qalaqSi yovel fexis nabijze daxmarebisTvis xelgamowvdili adamianebis danaxva. irgvliv bevri imedgacruebaa, mudmivi qaosia, mudmivi cdebia. mgoni, jamSi ufro meti ram mawuxebs, vidre mixaria.
– qarTul filologiaze swavlobT da aseve xelovnebaTmcodneobiTac interesebdiT . . . kidev ra SegiZliaT gviTxraT sakuTari gatacebis Sesaxeb?
– xandaxan vmReri xolme. ver vityvi, gadasarevad-meTqi, magram zogierTs moswons. bavSvobaSi wlebis ganmavlobaSi Cemi soflis taZarSi vgalobdi. skolis periodSi bevrs vxatavdi, Tumca didi xania, aRar damixatavs. cekvac miyvars da wignebis kiTxvac, aseve – yvavilebis gaxareba.
– adamianebi, vinc giyvarT, gaxareben?
– vinc miyvars . . . diax, mudmivad maxareben. vfiqrob, Tu dadebiT energias gascem, adamianebisganac igive modis. ra Tqma unda, xSiria imedgacruebac, Tumca isinic miyvars, visac imedi gaucruebia CemTvis, maT xom maswavles, ras niSnavs namdvili megobroba da namdvili siyvaruli.
– Tviseba, romelic yvelaze metad gaxasiaTebT . . .
– mizandasaxuloba. ar miyvars erTi adgilis tkepna, mudmivad siaxlis Ziebis procesSi var da yovelTvis vcdilob, bolomde miviyvano dawyebuli saqme. imedebiT vcxovrob da es maxarebs. ar ikargeba CemSi axlis Ziebis motivacia . . . veZeb axal gzebsa da saSualebebs da umetesad, vpoulob kidevac, Tundac mravali dacemis Sedegad.
– yvelaze bednieri sad da rodis xarT?
– sofelSi, sadac sul simwvane da xalisia. gansakuTrebiT miyvars zafxulis periodi, roca yvelani erTad varT. am dros Cvens saxlSi, sofelSi, iseTi xmauria, SeiZleba adamians nervozi daemarTos . . . Tumca miyvars es xmauri, erTad yofnis wuTebi, ayvavebuli xeebi, balaxebi, yvavilebi, Citunebi da yvelaferi, rac bunebis harmoniasTan, adamianuri urTierTobebis sitkbosTan, bednier wuTebTan asocirdeba.
– sakuTar TavSi ras SecvlidiT?
– emociur fons. ar miyvars, roca sakuTari grZnobebis kontroli ar SemiZlia. aris momentebi, roca wamieri Setevebi maqvs – SeiZleba Zalian gavbrazde da erTi didi `apokalifsi~ movawyo.
– sulieri cxovreba rogor gesmiT?
– igi TiTqos sikeTis gansakuTrebuli kvanZia, romliTac SegiZlia erTmaneTisgan gaarCio Savi da TeTri. es idea umaRles moralur sistemas qmnis, CemTvis ki umaRles moralur sistemad mxolod qristianoba moiazreba. qristianoba siyvarulia, maSasadame, mxolod siyvaruliT SeigrZnoba TviTmyofadobis arsica da sulieri cxovrebis umaRlesi kategoriac.
– Tavisufal dros rogor atarebT?
– xandaxan saseirnod gavdivar Cems dasTan an saukeTeso megobarTan erTad. umeteswilad mainc mxatvrul literaturas vkiTxulob universitetis biblioTekaSi an vwer.
– wignebi sulis sazrdo da gzamkvlevia, TqvenTvis?
– ra Tqma unda, isini fantaziis uwyvet Sreebs qmnian, romelTa sazRvrebSi gamomwyvdeva SeuZlebelia. amavdroulad, azrovnebis udides Zalasa da winapirobas warmoadgenen. Cemi qarTulis maswavlebeli ambobda, rom wignTan daaxloeba advilia, masTan ganSoreba ki Zalian rTuli. Cems cxovrebaSi zustad ase aRmoCnda. ar SemiZlia, dRe gaviyvano ise, rom mxatvruli literatura ar vikiTxo.
– Tqveni samagido wigni?
– SoTa rusTavelis `vefxistyaosani~. igi Cemi bavSvobis, skolisa da aw ukve universitetis Tanmdevia. masTan erTad vcxovrob 19 welia da ase iqneba mudmivad. vfiqrob, es udidesi zogadsakacobrio nimuSia. mis mimarT Rrma siyvarulis damsaxurebaa, rom momavalSi rusTvelologiis mimarTulebiT vapireb Cemi karieruli (da pirovnuli) gzis warmarTvas.
– transhumanizmis epoqaSi SevdivarT . . . xelovnuri inteleqtis zeobisas xelovneba momavalSi rogor warmogidgeniaT?
– transhumanizmis xsenebaze cota SiSi mipyrobs xolme, magram zustad am dros maxsendeba xelovneba, romelic nebismier drosa da sivrceSi Tavis sityvas ambobs. vercerTi xelovnuri inteleqti ver gadafaravs im Zalas, romelic namdvil xelovnebas gaaCnia samyaroSi. igi yovelgvar Zalas aRemateba, ideaTa mTavar ideas warmoadgens, mis gareSe samyaro araTu samyaro ver iqneba, aramed erTi carieli rkina gaxdeba, rasac adamianis goneba araTu sulierad, fizikuradac ver Seegueba.
– fraza, sityva, grZnoba, romelic mudam Tan gaxlavT da Tan Tavs gaxsenebT . . .
– gonebiT, guliTa da suliT damaqvs erTi fraza: `Tu namdvilad gsurs gaakeTo rame, gzas ipovni an ipovi mizezs~. es sityvebi mixo beroSvilma miTxra. raRac rom ar gamomdis, an Zalian mRlis, an, ubralod, imedi mekargeba, es sityvebi maxsendeba, mere ki vgrZnob, rom yvelaferi saukeTeso jer kidev win aris da araTu danebebis, aramed piriqiT, aRorZinebis, moqmedebis droa.
– dabolos, Tqven rom korespondenti iyoT, ras hkiTxavdiT respondents?
– vkiTxavdi, ras uZRvnis momavals, ra aqvs miznad dasaxuli, romelmac momavalSi cudad arCavlili suliskveTebis erTi didi magaliTi unda aCvenos.
